I handled one and it was a handy rifle. I just don't want anything made with cast parts. I've yet to go look for reports to see if the ammo when fired out of the Hawkeye is living up to claims. I have been a little skeptical. My dealer had a rifle for quite sometime before any ammo. Not the way I want to go so initial interest faded fast.

I have never owned any example of but just ordered a Zastava Mauser 375 H&H. I'll stick with tried and true.

The 375 Ruger is IMHO a answer to a question that was never asked! The only advantage I see is that it does what an H&H does with a little shorter barrel. The whole "standard length action" thing is just marketing IMHO. Other than the Ruger most other H&H's use a standard length action. The action on a Remington or Winchester is the same length wether it's a 30/06 or 375 H&H.

So unless you are making up a 375 on a Mauser action I don't see any advantage. And while us rifle looneys may think that is worth something the number of Mausers converted to 375 in one year could probably be counted on a couple hands.

I can't wait to pull my 7mm rem mag barrel and screw a 375 ruger on it. I think it's going to become the defacto big gun for anyone wanting more than a 30.06.

Personally I think there would be 10 times the number of 375 H&H rifles out there, if it would fit in a normal action and mag box.

Weagle

Well, I think the 375 Ruger is on its way to being a classic. A true yoeman's working rifle, a rifle that gets the job done at a working mans price. Whats not to like ???

I have two, and I like them both. They have a date in SA in June.........................JJ

The nerve of Ruger and Hornady trying to screw us firearm consumers. They must take us for fools. I can't believe they had the audacity to steal the Newton and Dakota to put out this short 375Ruger ripoff. It will surely fail and be yesterdays news within the year.

With all the bazillion Remingtons and Winchesters available to build a handy little 375H&H off of. Don't forget the new Remington 798. All you need to do is pick up an M70 cheap and rebarrel, chamber, and open the port. Put on some good sights, refinish the package and drop it in a good stock. You can make them all day long for the $800 bucks you'd pay for that cast Ruger "African".

I'm sure once the ammunition is available we'll all see that the 375Ruger doesn't live up to all the hype. No way it can match the performance of the H&H. At best it will only reach the performance of the 376Styer. And even then the pressure will be so high that the ammo will stick in the chamber in hot weather. Also, everyone knows that a Ruger is a 4MOA rifle at 50yds. What good is having a flat shooting 375 if you can only shoot about 75-100 yards tops.

Jeez, what will they do next. Probably will try to put a 416cal bullet in it and try to convince us that it will go faster than 2300fps? yeah right, no way that'll happen. The best that'll ever do is 2250fps tops.

Wait till that Stossil guy gets ahold of this story.

GVA

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No way it can match the performance of the H&H. At best it will only reach the performance of the 376Styer.

But GVA the 375 Ruger is a bigger case capacity than the H&H

Mike

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Originally posted by SuperSpeed:

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No way it can match the performance of the H&H. At best it will only reach the performance of the 376Styer.

But GVA the 375 Ruger is a bigger case capacity than the H&H

Mike

Woosh!!! That's the sound of Gary's sarcasm going right over SuperSpeed's head!!!

Good post, Gary, it seems that the naysayers will always pick apart anything that they don't like or wouldn't buy themselves. Hell, if everyone thought that way, we wouldn't need any more guns than the 30-06, 22LR, and a 12 gauge.

We certainly don't NEED any more cartridges, but on the other hand, anything that keeps interest up in the gun business, and keeps rifles going out the door is a good thing.

If Ruger handles this right, and they're off to a good start, they will sell a lot of rifles. Any cartridge in the right rifle will always appeal to someone - just like the WSMs.

syd-jai

Sorry, I had seen and posted on GVA's earlier thread. I thought I might bring someone else in for some fun

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So unless you are making up a 375 on a Mauser action I don't see any advantage. And while us rifle looneys may think that is worth something the number of Mausers converted to 375 in one year could probably be counted on a couple hands.

If this is indeed the case, then it is surely going to be a fiasco. Wonder then if a marketing survey had been done on the feasibility or whether it was purely an act of faith. Are there any statistics on .375 H&H ammo sales for the USA?

Would like to think that there must have been some guiding light and a prospect to recover investment costs and to yield a return on Ruger's investment.

What I am getting at is ... what is the need for a .375 caliber for Americans, considering that only a small percent ever come to Africa, and the .338 Win Mag is fairly well entrenched in the States and can take anything that North America has to offer.

Warrior

I don't need or want it. But then again, I'm notoriously hard to please, so it could just be me.

The gun smiths should love it!
With all the hype about re barreling and/or re chambering standard length actions out there the gunsmiths will make some extra money making these re barreling jobs feed.
Unfortunately there aren't many around who have the skill to do this until they've experimented and learned by trial and error how to make it work.
Re barreling/re chambering is not always as simple to do or as inexpensive as we sometimes initially think.
Just my .02.

I have yet to figure out the recent fad for duplicating existing cartridges only in a slightly shorter form. Glock reinvented .45acp only shorter. Winchester reinvented a whole family of cartridges only shorter. Remington followed suit. Now Ruger is in on the game. At BEST they duplicate the cartridge they're supposed to replace. In most of the cases they fall short.

jerkface11

Obviously selling more guns and ammo/cases is the basis.

And if these forums are a guide there is no calibre that everyone is happy with....with that criteria there is always room for more.

Remember that there are plenty of people that will make a song and dance about the differences between the 270 Win and 280 Rem ans so on it goes.

Mike

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What I am getting at is ... what is the need for a .375 caliber for Americans, considering that only a small percent ever come to Africa, and the .338 Win Mag is fairly well entrenched in the States and can take anything that North America has to offer.

Bigger diameter kills better. It's that simple. In the exact same rifle as a 338 or 358 for that matter.

338 or 375 for smaller critters, overkill is overkill.

This whole argument is going to repeat itself when the 416 Ruger comes out.

Rigby, Remington Magnum, Taylor, Jeffery. Might as well not even bother with the 416 Ruger. Or just throw the others out with the dishwater.

It is just my opinion, but, No one is selling tons of rifles a year. Each year that passes sees fewer folks hunting and shooting. I wish it were not the case but it is. I think the reason to introduce new rounds is to interest those already in the shooting sports into buying a new rifle. Winchester and remington have tried this and even when Winchester went out of business and all of the dealers sold out of the more traditional rifle calibers, you could still buy a controlled round feed Winchester model 70 in 7mm WSM. A round that went essentially no where. The moral of the story is that it takes more that an hand full of gun cranks on a forum to ensure a round lives on in the future. I don't think enough folks want to buy Ruger rifles regardless of the caliber.

Rugers are fine guns. I was lucky enough to start off with a 1/2 MOA 30-06 M77 right out of the box in the 1970's. It still shoots the same.

Look for a long and busy life for the .375 Ruger. If nothing else the brass will be here forever, a bigger boon to Hornady than Ruger, as said above.

.375H&H ammo sales at my fav shot are good with empty space found quite often, but those .375UltraMag just linger on the shelf collecting dust! Remington should have made .35Newton 'Classic' along with some ammo. They would have sold at least one rifle with a case of ammo!

Superspud and jerkoff,

First, it EXCEEDS the 375 HH velocity with the SAME pressure.

Second, the Hawkeye is very light, handy and accurate.

Third, its gets you into a DG rifle for $ 800.00 or so.

Fourth, its available most everywhere.

Fifth, please educate yourself about the round before you run it down.

And finally, why are you so anti-Ruger ?...........................JJ

JJ you are missing the point completely. At least in my area they have quit stocking Rugers except handguns and 10-22's as they won't sell well at all. The three gun shops in my area sell more Kimbers than all of the Rugers. Perhaps it isn't that way nation wide, but at Wanamarchers in Tulsa there are often a lot of Rugers offered for sale and I don't see them moving out much. The 375 Ruger you guys are wanting to push isn't even out and commonly distributed yet. I have seen no ammo on the shelves in OKC, Dallas, Ft.Worth. This insn't the world but a pretty represenative cross section of reasonalbly open areas for hunting and a reasonably affluent population base. For your information Remington, Winchester, and savage are king in my area and in that order.

Don't you think that the new round would have to be chambered in other makes of rifles in order to have a go at life. When the WSM's hit the scene, there were two manufacturers that produced the rounds. When Remington entered the game with their version it was only offered in their brand of rifles and they have pretty much died by comparison.The WSM is currently chambered in at least 5 rifles and that will keep the WSM alive for quite a while. I think that the Ruger round will follow the Remington counterpart to the WSM. I do think there is a need for a CRF rifle in a big bore for hunting in Alaska and That might be where it will find a home.

None of us really know and are blowing off about it in anticipation. It will have to last a very long time to outpace the one and only original
375 Holland and Holland. Just my take on the issue. Good luck with your project.

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Originally posted by JJ_Miller:
Superspud and jerkoff,

First, it EXCEEDS the 375 HH velocity with the SAME pressure.

Second, the Hawkeye is very light, handy and accurate.

Third, its gets you into a DG rifle for $ 800.00 or so.

Fourth, its available most everywhere.

Fifth, please educate yourself about the round before you run it down.

And finally, why are you so anti-Ruger ?...........................JJ

First off there's no reason to be rude. I would appreciate an apology.

Now to address the actual points you made.

It's available everywhere??? I haven't seen a single rifle or box of shells yet.
As for it getting better velocity than the H&H says who? Ruger? Hornady?How many FPS is this supposed advantage?
A dagerous game rifle for $800 big deal I can go pick up a CZ 375 H&H for that and the gun store has AMMO for it not to mention brass and dies.
When did I run Ruger down?
This cartridge is just what superspeed said it was a way to sell rifles. It isn't revolutionary. It isn't even that different.