I am thinking of having a Mod 70 Classic in 7mm mag rebarreled in 416 Taylor.I think this would be a great round between my 338 and 458Lott.Can you get headstamped brass?What barrel length 22" or 24"?What barrel contour?Sights or no sights?What should it weigh?Would you use this action since Winchester is gone(collecter value)?It would be used mostly for the big bears and hopefully Africa one day. Thanks

i've had .416 taylor headstamped brass on order from midway for about 3 weeks... and if you scroll down a few posts you can see the new .416 taylor that tip burns is building for me...

Great looking rifle.

Buy yourself a CZ 7mm Rem Mag and go from there. Good action, no feeding problems, and no M 70 safety! Here is the last one I made.

If any one else need brass for the 416 Taylor I have it in stock.

RNS

1) Yes, you can get headstamped brass.

2) 24" (FWIW I like a 25" barrel)

3) .720"-.730" at muzzle

4) Your call on sights. Depending on eyesight. Two scopes in set in rings mandatory.

5) 9.0 lbs naked.

6) I would prefer the M70 action. It will underwrite the value of your custom rifle.

What brand brass do you have in stock and what is price?

Thanks

Will - is that the CZ550 "medium" ?

I have wanted to build a taylor on a "smaller" action, looks like a nice handling rifle.

Any further information is appreciated.

KMule

I have a question. I guess I don't understand why anyone would go through the trouble of "building" a .416 Taylor when .416 Remington rifles and brass are so readily available. Is the Taylor cartridge better in some way?

Dave

Dave,
with fews exceptions, building a 416 remington could be as much as $1000 more than a 416 taylor...

but a 416 taylor is a rebarrel away (and then some, of course) on a standard action with a .532 boltface..

it is cheaper, if one is building

But, of course, the real question is why would anyone buy a 416 remington when a 416 rigby can be had for 850bucks, done?

Why, because it was they wanted....

my first "real" bigbore was a m70 in 416 rem

The 416 Ruger is on the drawing board..

quote:

Originally posted by KMuleinAK:
Will - is that the CZ550 "medium" ?

I have wanted to build a taylor on a "smaller" action, looks like a nice handling rifle.

Any further information is appreciated.

KMule

Sent you a PM.

quote:

Originally posted by Dave Bush:
I have a question. I guess I don't understand why anyone would go through the trouble of "building" a .416 Taylor when .416 Remington rifles and brass are so readily available. Is the Taylor cartridge better in some way?

Dave

Depends on what you want.

416 Taylor, 7.45 lbs.



416 Rem Mag, 8.87 lbs.

I have Jamison 416 Taylor in stock http://www.custombrassandbullets.com/ji005.html


RNS

quote:

Originally posted by Sur5er:
The 416 Ruger is on the drawing board..

Nope.. it's on a rifle, ready to shoot!!

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2511043/m/682102117

Hmmm... Does that CZ550 med 7mag action fit a 458 win mag or even a 458 lott?

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

the real question is why would anyone buy a 416 remington when a 416 rigby can be had for 850bucks, done?

Jeff, I have to admit I chuckled a bit when I read your response about your preference for the Rigby cartridge over the Remington. A buddy of mine and I have been having this running debate ever since I got my first .416 Remington and he got hia first .416 Rigby.

I selected the Remington cartridge because Remington brass was much easier (and cheaper) to get than Rigby brass (and still is!) and my old Lyman press would not accomdate the longer Rigby round. After shooting it for awhile, I actually came to PREFER the Remington.

I worked up some loads for this cartridge with the data out of the Hornady Manual (4th ed.) and had the chance to shoot them over the chronograph at the Hornady manufacturing plant. I found the Hornady data was spot on in my No. 1. Max loads with Reloder 15 were running right at 2400 fps with no signs of pressure problems and no problems with extraction and I shot it on some very hot days.

Here is why I like the Remington round. It is shorter and will work through a .375 length action. Brass is readily available or can be made from other readily available brass (i.e. .375 H&H, 8mm Mag, etc.). It burns about 15-20% less powder to achieve the standard Rigby velocity and, as a consequence, I believe it has noticeably less felt recoil. In fact, I had to back it off about 3 or 4 grains off max to get it down to 2330 fps which, in my view, is god-a-plenty. I know you can load the Rigby hotter (and my friend does)but what's the point? All that does is add to the already stout recoil of the Rigby round.

There is one other advantage to the Remington. If you switch to Reloder 19, you can easily duplicate the ballistics of the .404 Jeffery and really cut down on the recoil.

Jeff, one thing I didn't understand. Why do you believe it would cost $1000 more to build a .416 Remington as oppossed to the .416 Taylor? Aren't the cartridges about the same lenght?

Dave

Dave,
LOL... very funny read!!
the $$$ difference is from the 3.35" bottom metal and 3.65" bottom metal. it's about 500 bucks for custom bottom metal and then a stock to take it, and then a smith to do the feeding.

Jeffe,
My gunsmith charges me $100 to open a Mauser or M-70 up to a 416 Rem, its really not that big a chore. He opens it in the rear and less than a thousands in front on a mauser and opens it all the way out in the rear for a M-70.

I see no reason at all for a 416 Taylor today, when the Rem is available and ammo is world wide. Plus you can get another 100 or so FPS.

That extra 1/8 of an inch bolt length means nothing as some proclaim, I would tend to believe that they can't chew gum and walk if that 1/8" in bolt throw is a problem....

Ray,
sure, except blackburn bottom metal is $$$, and no one else knows a smith that will open bottom metal for $100...

The taylor LOL, well, you know, midway sells prechambered barrels in 416 taylor, not rem! That kind of shows the market trend, right? And, in factory trim, NO ONE is making a 416 rem CRF these days, and remington has hemmed nd hawwed about stopping making the brass....

besides, I think the 416 AR, which has the capacity of a rem (and then some) in the length of the taylor is the better choice... just run a reamer in a taylor and pick up either more FPS or less pressure

Jeff, I have to admit you really have me scratching my head here.

In 1956 Winchester introduced their .458 Winchester Magnum based on the 2.5 inch case rather than the full length 2.85 inch case. Everybody now agrees that was a mistake and that's why the .458 Lott was born. With the .416 Taylor, aren't we just making that same mistake over again? I guess I have to agree with Ray. I can see no reason for the Taylor's existence if the Remington round is available. I know that it is hard to find a CRF gun in .416 Remington but if you are building the gun, I guess I would go with the Remington round.

Dave

Dave,
the great thing about ar is that we don't all have to agree. LOL, why have a 308 when the 30-06 is longer, larger, and drives a bullet faster AND already works in all forms of rifle? I can't answer that one, and it is the SAME question. LOL Hey Ray, why do you build 10.75x68s when the rem is better performance and 1/10 the price in reamers and brass? because the x68 is COOL

here a headscratcher, with the 416 rem, why would anyone build a 404 jeffrey or 416 rigby? Yet cz doesn't offer this as a factory round (brno might have made a couple, but that's a different kettle of fish)... and people pay a PREMIUM to have the under performing 404 (as compared to factory loads and the 416 rem)

Show me a gunsmith that will do the magbox for the HH length rounds 3.65oal, AND ALL THE OTHER WORK, for just 100 bucks more than doing a 3.35 round, and I'll show you a guy that will be so flooded with guns he'll have to raise his prices.

With today's powders, the 458 winmag has ZERO trouble hitting its goal of 2150 fps... an a touch more.. that was the goal, and still should be the load, of a the 458 winmag. The lott was designed to deliver 2300, and in bigbores, this is an entirely different design goal.

btw, the lott some of the same flaws as the winmag.. HIGH PRESSURE being the first and primary.


Further, on all cases (events) where cases more or less overlap in performance, the smaller case, using the same loading techniques, ALWAYS uses less power, and in the same weight gun, is meaningful in terms of recoil. At 2300 (or just about any) fps, in the same weight gun, the rigby kicks more than a rem, the rem more than a 416. Go put these into a recoil calculator and see.

btw, *I* think the taylor is a comparison with a 404 and not a 416 rigby, (notice, I said rigby) as its capacity is closer to the 404, and can be loaded to what everyone agrees is reasonable pressure to get 2300fps.... 2400 FPS is much higher pressure, and *I* don't care for it.

as compared to a 404, it is perfect and cheaper to build.

on recoil and power ...One has to acknowledge that I have spent a ton of time loading, shooting, building, and comparing these big bores, and I have been willing to put my money where my mouth (and belief) is... the less powder you can burn to get the same velocity, the less recoil goes into your shoulder. Anyone who argues with that simply has not done a direct comparison. When you get into 10-20% less powder for the same vel, you are really changing the recoil, ESPECIALLY the speed of recoil. In the same weight gun,
taylor - 75 gr of powder to hit 2400
rem - 83 gr
rigby - 97

we go from 61 to 71 ft/lb of recoil (16%) more, in a 9# gun

So, it's about choices and money and recoil..
heck, if "because it is better" meant anything we would all be shooting my AR rounds LOL

Jeff...all good points!

This is just great! Now, not only do I have a running debate with my buddy over the merits of the .416 Remington over the larger Rigby round but also seem to have started a running debate about the merits of the Remington over the smaller Taylor round

Your less powder/less recoil point is very valid. In fact that is one of the reasons I selected the Reminton over the Rigby and now shoot a .404.

Dave