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Fellow AR members Please help me with a decision. I have an oppurtunity to receive a free (work bonus)rifle from my boss. I mentioned that I would be going elephant hunting next time I go back to Africa. He's not really the hunting type, but this is his way of being involved with my hobby. I already have 3 Dakota African rilfes chambered in 416 rem mag, 458 win mag and 375 h&h. Now, I know any of these rifles will kill a elephant. What I want to know is, as a client, do I need a elephant stopping rifle i.e. 458 lott or larger? I want to stay with Dakota (I like my battery to be of same manufacture) So that being said I'm limited to 450 dakota, 460 weatherby or 458 lott (thats as big as Dakota makes) Your thoughts are appreciated. CTJ NRA Life Member DSC Life Member Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. Ronald Reagan | ||
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Have your boss buy you a .338 Win. Mag., and re-chamber your .458 Win Mag. to the Lott. Then, you'll two of God's three chosen calibers (.338 Win Mag. , .375H&H Mag., and .30-06).  George  | |||
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Actually, the 458 win mag is a traveler with a extra 338 win mag barrel. NRA Life Member DSC Life Member Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. Ronald Reagan | |||
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I think you answered your own question - as the client, do you need a stopping rifle? no, that's the pro's job. sounds like if you do your's he won't have to do his. incidentally, can I come to work for your boss?? | |||
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Nice combination! In that case, see if Dakota will build you a .495 or .500 A-Square, based on the .460Wby case. George | |||
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You have a stopping rifle...the 4-5-8 WM!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Oh, I forgot to mention. My boss is also my father. NRA Life Member DSC Life Member Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. Ronald Reagan | |||
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then have him buy you more ammo or reloading stuff then shoot more clint | |||
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458 WM should be good to go. Put the money into trophy fees if the boss will go along... ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Carlos: If you have an opportunity to get this rifle for free and you are going to stick with a Dakota, my suggestion would be go with the .450 Dakota. A Dakota cartridge in a Dakota rifle would be my pick. I have a .450 Dakota built by AHR and I can tell you it is a spectacular cartridge. I have no problem getting 2400 fps with 450 grain Barnes TSX bullet or banded solids at very modest pressures and I would bet that would be great elephant medicine. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I am available for adoption!!! | |||
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You'd be a lot better off if you would quit waxing about caliber and start concerning yourself with the real task at hand: where to shoot the elephant. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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And if you're not 100% sure, buy Will's book!!! | |||
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.458 Win. Mag. is one of the most popular calibers in Africa for Dangerous Game. Used extensively by guides for back up. Rechambering for the Lott is a simple, inexpensive process if your action will manage the longer OAL. (And the Lott chamber will shoot the Win. Mag. too.) But the Win. Mag. is adequate, and there are other expenses in the hunt that your dad/boss might care to help out with. | |||
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I agree with Charles-Helm, forget the rifle you have all the bases covered. Tell your Boss that you would really like for him to pay for your Dad to go along as an observer. You will both have a ball. Take a 30-06 along in case he decides that he might want to try your hobby. | |||
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As a client, NO. I have used the .458 on elephant with perfect results, and buff and giraffe and impala.... | |||
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Well, I just hung up with Richard at Dakota. I explained my "dilemma" to him and asked for his no b.s. opinion. Much to his credit, he said flat out that "as a client" the 416 would do everything I needed it to do. Maybe I will see if the "boss" would rather pay for the trophy fee instead! Thanks for your opinions CTJ NRA Life Member DSC Life Member Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. Ronald Reagan | |||
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1: in the same weight rifle there is LITTLE recoil difference in a 416 rem and a 458 win ... (about 10%) 2: if you shoot one better than the other, use that one Now, if you like, spend all the money on reloading and trophies. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I think it has been said, but I will reiterate, take your dad along, you will enjoy that more than another rifle. I think there is very little you couldn't do with a 416, and you have a 458 along as a backup weapon in case your 416 gives you problems. John | |||
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I thought bullets fired from a Winnie bounced off of elephants heads. I bet if you slowed the bullet down to 1500 fps it would penetrate  take your Father. I would give anything I own to hunt with mine in Africa just once. | |||
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The only creature I couldn't kill with the 458 win is the Easter Bunny. Thats one tough bunny. John | |||
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How well does the traveler keep zero? | |||
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The traveler keeps a pretty good zero. Although, I haven't taken it hunting anywhere yet. I bought it for an Australian trip that ended up falling through. NRA Life Member DSC Life Member Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. Ronald Reagan | |||
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Either the .375 or .416. As was mentioned, which do you shoot better? IMO, the rifle you need is a medium with a magnum-length action/bolt throw. ________________________ "Every country has the government it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre | |||
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