If you get away from the keyboard and look at the mail, you might find the Summer 2005 Vol.2, No.3 DAKOTA official publication has arrived at the start of fall.

Great stories:
The .423 Dakota-Lapua is introduced.

Mike Brady article: "The Whys and Wherefores Behind North Fork Bullets"

Terry Wieland article: "The Dakota and the Lott"

And more ...

Dakota is coming up in the world.

I think I will have to have them build for me a .423 Dakota-Lapua with a stainless, fluted barrel, all metal matte black finished, and a synthetic stock ... I'll have this one painted Walnut Brown.

I suspect it will take the same loads as the .404 Jeffery, and perform the same.

I just feel that I ought to reward Charlie Kokesh's foresight in listening to the hoof beats of my .45 Lapua and .375 Lapua, and toying with the idea of a .423 Lapua.

O.K., so it is the .423 Dakota-Lapua now.

This is not the first time I have tried to take credit for something I did not do, but it is the most outrageously unlikely example of this behavior.

I have worn myself out laughing over this. Not the .423 Dakota-Lapua, that is serious business.

It's just me, I'm such a comedian.

Good night.

RIP,
This is just like Leibnitz(1646-1716) and Newton inventing the calculus at the same time. Newton got all the accolades from history, but died after a long life in which he never had sex once. No one realizes it these days, but we all use Leibnitz's notation, and his wife was hot.

lawndart

It gets better: Newton was actually very proud he died a virgin. He was also ruthless about using his position and power to ensure no one else got credit for much of anything in math, physics and astronomy while he was alive.

What is the point here? Well, duh: make a contribution to the world, let someone else take the credit, but make sure you snag some good cooter along the way.

Another .423 cartridge is like sex? Aren't they all pretty much the same in the dark?

You guys on this Big Bore forum need to get a life!

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Aren't they all pretty much the same in the dark? Smiler

Only if you let yourself get to be a boring bedmate or
have no imagination. Even being married to the same vixen for the past 30 I could never consider the possibility of become a "Bed-Bore".

Frank

quote:

You guys on this Big Bore forum need to get a life!

I have a girlfriend who was into guns and hunting long before she met me, and is simply outstanding in our other area of common interest. I have a few safes full of guns and just enough disposable income to work on them and build a couple or three a year. Lots of birds hunting, and the odd elk, deer or bison for the freezer.

That may not be a life, but it is good enough for me .

lawndart

Can you get the case specifications? I'm very interested in a new factory .423 caliber round.

this makes the 416 and 458 lapua a sinch now can the 475 cal bullets fit the lapua?

then you could plink with pistol bullets and have a cart from deer to putting elephants on there rears

can you post the article on the north fork bullets?

thanks

475 lapua yummmmmmmmmm!

The Dakota staff at the SCI Convention in Reno last January were talking about this cartridge, which was to be announced at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas (same weekend).

I asked why they were doing this, and the answer was it was a way to get familiar working with Lapua.

jim

I hope the .423 Dakota-Lapua retains the original .416 Rigby body taper as well as the 20 degree shoulder semi-angle that are present on the .338 Lapua Magnum.

In other words, I hope it is just a straight neck-up of the .338 Lapua Magnum to .423 caliber and a new headstamp. No blowing out of the case please!

If Charlie Kokesh has been listening to me then that is what it will be.

.475 is too big to do on a lovely .338 Lapua Magnum case profile. You would have to blow out the body taper and shoulder width like the .470 Mbogo.

If Charlie is listening, the .423 Dakota-Lapua brass will be 2.700" trim-to-length, and Max 2.710" long.

And furthermore, it will be throated with about 0.4000" of parallel sided freebore, and have a leade angle of 1.5 degrees.

hey rip, the 423 dakota makes sense for dakota, you get the africa nostalgia from the 423 cal and modern benefits of the lapua case all in one and it does not threaten their other carts. how fast do you think a 500 gr pill will fly, i know 2300 is the "ideal" unless you are using a tough expanding bullet. i think it will toss the 423 aroung 2500-2600 fps. and give the animal a serious case of heartburn

p.s. is there a way you can post the article?

boom stick,
You mean 400 grainer in .423 right?
My scanner is busted. Anyway it is just a little press release type blurb about the new cartridge and other biz. It does have a picture of the head stamp, and when you see the Dakota caliber table elsewhere, it includes both the .404 Dakota at 2400 fps, and the .423 Dakota-Lapua at 2450 fps with 400 grainers.

They are loading the .423 Dakota Lapua very sedately. 2500 to 2600 fps with 400 grainers would be very easy to do.

It will be about 5% bigger case capacity than the .404 Jeffery, and more if loaded out to full Rigby COL in a Dakota 76 African, without all that bullet base below the neck-shoulder juncture to waste powder space.

Hopefully they will throat it and chamber it in the full length Rigby action.

We await the full blown article where Charlie Kokesh poses over dead buffalo holding his newest .423.

oops sorry...400

thanks for the good info. i can always count on you....save 45-70 iron buffalo test sorry about that, too tempting, but seriously a.r. is lucky to have you. do you think this cal will catch on outside of dakota rifles? probably does not matter, also aggree with you about the taper and shoulder angle, would make the 416 and 458 wildcats much easier

Another new cartridge that does the same thing as an older one. Something to seperate the Pilgrims from their money.

im still waiting for them to finish there farquson action project there where debating on building them i wish they would hurry up

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Originally posted by Mickey1:
Another new cartridge that does the same thing as an older one. Something to seperate the Pilgrims from their money.

Bingo.....

Just what the world was waiting for, another 416-423 caliber cartridge.

465H&H

Right! Just what could Charlie Kokesh be thinking?

What case length???

What shoulder angle???

Headspace on the same datum line as the .338 Lapua Magnum???

We will soon see what is going on.

Seems Charlie Kokesh and Steve Giordano at Dakota own rifle serial numbers 001 and 002, and they have been to Tanzania with them already, taking lion and buffalo IIRC ... and what else?

Watch for the next installment of the .423 Dakota-Lapua Saga, next installment with pictures of dead animals no doubt.