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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
rich reports that the 375 and 416 ruger far outstrip 375 hh and 416 rigby... leaving no ammo or guns on the shelves for the ruger], and leaving the HH and rigby, in CZs, unsold

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I went to Cabela's today. I saw CZ's in 375 H&H, and 416 Rigby. I did not see any Rugers in 375 or 416 Ruger.

They had no ammunition in either big ruger caliber. Lots of 416 Rigby.

Rich

Lets confuse this thread with facts.

Actual sales in the last 2 weeks on Gunbroker

1) 375 H&H 22 sales
2) 458 WM 5 sales
3) 416 Rigby (tie) 2 sales
4) 375 Ruger (tie) 2 sales
5) 416 ruger 1 sale
6) 416 RM 0 sales

So 375 H&H and 458 WM make up 85% of big bore sales of new and used rifles in this sample.

375 H&H accounts for 92% of 375 sales.

On the other hand the general public is looking for value at a price and that is something that Ruger does well. It doesn't hurt that their firearms are also rugged and durable.

Strictly speaking of the cartridges -in my opinion both the 375 and 416 Ruger are the best designed rounds in their caliber for the serious hunter as they are designed to fit the standard length action.

Lets confuse this thread with facts.

Actual sales in the last 2 weeks on Gunbroker

1) 375 H&H 22 sales
2) 458 WM 5 sales
3) 416 Rigby (tie) 2 sales
4) 375 Ruger (tie) 2 sales
5) 416 ruger 1 sale
6) 416 RM 0 sales

So 375 H&H and 458 WM make up 85% of big bore sales of new and used rifles in this sample.

375 H&H accounts for 92% of 375 sales.[/QUOTE]

I don't think those sales figures account for anything other than the fact that the 375 H&H and the 458 WM have been made in much greater numbers for a much longer time.
Heck, my local gun shop hasn't been able to get a 416 Ruger in yet. I've onlty seen one, Chimo Guns, Wasilla AK. I'd have bought that one, but we were on vacation.

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Strictly speaking of the cartridges -in my opinion both the 375 and 416 Ruger are the best designed rounds in their caliber for the serious hunter as they are designed to fit the standard length action.

That might be so but if 375 and bigger sales were limited to only those shooters doing dangerous game shooting then very few would be sold.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I have a really nice .416 Rigby and have come to love the 9.3 cartridges. However, I had a chance to shoot a Ruger African in .375 Ruger and thought it was a great gun and a fine cartridge. I have never shot the Ruger .416 but I think I would prefer a heavier gun in the .416. I think they are both well thought out cartridges and will both be around for some time to come. The really good news is that Ruger is now chambering the 9.3X62 in their African rifle and that would be my pick.

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The really good news is that Ruger is now chambering the 9.3X62 in their African rifle and that would be my pick.

At least the 9.3x62 has hung in there for a long time.

Mild shooting mini big bore.

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Originally posted by m stevenson:
Lets confuse this thread with facts.

Actual sales in the last 2 weeks on Gunbroker

1) 375 H&H 22 sales
2) 458 WM 5 sales
3) 416 Rigby (tie) 2 sales
4) 375 Ruger (tie) 2 sales
5) 416 ruger 1 sale
6) 416 RM 0 sales

So 375 H&H and 458 WM make up 85% of big bore sales of new and used rifles in this sample.

375 H&H accounts for 92% of 375 sales.

I don't think those sales figures account for anything other than the fact that the 375 H&H and the 458 WM have been made in much greater numbers for a much longer time.
Heck, my local gun shop hasn't been able to get a 416 Ruger in yet. I've onlty seen one, Chimo Guns, Wasilla AK. I'd have bought that one, but we were on vacation.[/QUOTE]

That is simply not the case, there were no fewer then 27 auctions for rifles chambered in 416 Ruger that went unsold in that 2 week period. There is plenty of supply on gunbroker to have sold dozens of Ruger 416s but they sold only one.

Also the other calibers have been around for up to 100 years and anyone who wanted one already has it. The rugers are the "new" cartridge and should be selling circles around the old ones and they aren't. These numbers show there is no "gotta have the hot new cartridge" sales happening.

You need to let everyone chamber their rifles in your cartridge to make it and as long as CZ and Winchester don't have it it will be nothing more then an odd ball cartridge.

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Originally posted by Will:

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The really good news is that Ruger is now chambering the 9.3X62 in their African rifle and that would be my pick.

At least the 9.3x62 has hung in there for a long time.

Mild shooting mini big bore.

They will pick up sales in Africa and Europe with that chambering.

Will,
Is a "mini big bore" like a jumbo shrimp?

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Originally posted by 458Win:


Strictly speaking of the cartridges -in my opinion both the 375 and 416 Ruger are the best designed rounds in their caliber for the serious hunter as they are designed to fit the standard length action.

Spoken like a true Rooger sycophant. Which also implies that anyone who hunted dangerous game with a 375 or 416 caliber before Rooger's recent invention were merely frivolous. Ya hear that Saeed?

"I was glad to see the 416 Ruger.. I hope to see it in more guns but who else will chamber it?"

I don't know, seems "they" won't tell me.


"There is a small market for the 416s but its a winner as far as a Dangerous Game Cartridge."

Yeah, I suppose so. But very few of us see any personal danger in the game we hunt; deer, elk, squirrels, etc., and we don't play mind games with ourselves that we're hunting rinocerous and such in the woods and fields of America. ??

I have an Alaskan in .416 Ruger. I paid a bit less than $800.00 including shipping. I've already killed a dozen or so game animals with it, to include a buffalo, an elephant and a hippo.

I find it the best buy out there for a rugged, accurate and inexpensive rifle. I expecially like its light weight because, I'm old as dirt and humping weight is more a concern to me than recoil.

I bought a dozen boxes of DGS at less than $55 on GunBroker a few months ago. I'll be dead before I use it up so what the heck do I care about ammo availabity?

I've got my pretty rifles and expensive doubles, but I doubt I'll go to Africa again with out the little .416 Ruger in the TuffPac as a back up.

I consider it the best rifle buy I've ever made.

BTW, it did take me about 2 weeks to find a gun to buy. I finally called Ruger and got them to tell me where their next shipment was going and pre-bought???? the thing before the distribitor even got it in inventory. Some one must like the rifles if they are that hard to find, I guess?

JMHO

"Most people don't want something of quality or don't know what it is."

That is the exact market CZ has chased with CZ-USA and their cheap American import production big bores.

The 375Ruger and 416Ruger are cartridges and not rifles. Both are in demand in rifle builds beyond factory M77s. The Ruger Alaskans and Africans are rifles. Both of these are in demand and are selling beyond expectations. The 375Ruger and the factory 375Ruger rifles have published sales figures that are of record levels. The demands are through the roof. The 416Ruger and Ruger rifles have sales figures that I understand to be in levels that surpass the other big bore offerings, and if I am not mistaken, it was reported that more were sold in this short time period than the total number of the famous Rigby made 416s in the last 100 years. It seems nothing more than sour grapes for anyone to look at the numbers being reported by the factories, guides, outfitters, and gunbuilders to say that either of the Rugers are dead in the water. The other traditional chamberings may stand on their history, but the Rugers will be around for quite a long while based on their superiority in just about every measureable aspect of performance. They are a handloaders dream and have opened many doors for reliable light rifle builds that were far more difficult and expensive to achieve prior to the Ruger/Hornady invent.

Best

After reading and following this post I feel compelled to throw in my 2 cents worth. I see the argument splitting two ways and both sides believing their correct. The Ruger is a Tool plain and simply! It’s not sexy it has no history is plain jane and gets the job done! If what you’re looking for is a great shooter that will launch a .375 or .416 projectile at a specific velocity accurately and reliably for less than $1000 the Ruger might just be the best game in town. No two ways around it. However, I find that it is way more important to get satisfaction from carrying a piece of history when I venture into the woods rather than just a tool to kill game. I finally purchased a DR and can tell you how it feels can’t be equaled by a box full of factory bolt guns. I enjoy launching my .416 projectiles from a case that is twice my age and has seen a few world wars hence my enjoyment of the Rigby. I built a 500 Jeffery not because it’s better than the 500 A2 but because it’s a grand old pre WW1 round. Go ahead and buy all the Ruger’s you want but I’m not interested in it since I find my 375 H&H and 416 Rigby are just fine for what I want. Only time will tell if the Ruger survives I have no problem getting folks to take a look a big bore state side and spend money since the net result will be more .375 and .416 projectiles in the system for me to reload. My only sadness comes in thinking that 416 Ruger sales most likely killed off the RSM line which could have really gone somewhere if Ruger had listened to us about a 404 Jeffery and possibly a .510 round. Long live the .375’s and the .416’s I’ll stick with mine and you can enjoy yours.

Brad

its really simple ...
why does anyone choose a 308 vs a 30-06?
i mean, seriously.. the 308 does NOTHING better than a 30-06, except function in the long gone m14

People gotta be pretty bored to keep arvuing about this . having had 4 custom 416. 3 built for my and 1 traded for . 2 Taylors and 2 Remingtons . All I can say is I,ll buy a 416 Ruger as soon as I can . But I also have my eye on a Rigby that a friend built on a Bauska action that fits me great . Which is amazing as he made it fit him and he is 11" taller than I am . Never having har a Rigby I would like one . But I know it won,t kill any better than my Taylors or Rems did .

A rifle that fits and shoots great for a guy is what mattets . If the bullet does what it is supposed to then that is what counts .
I figure that is why some of yall are googly eyed for the 404 J.
logically it is kindof a stupid round now a days ... But if it works for you then awesome !!!!!!!
my favorite 416 is the Remington . But the Ruger will work great as it is its ballistic twin .. and I can afford to shoot it more as the Ruger is half price of another Rem.

why don,t we have these arguments about stock design and fit . or triggers ect. .... things that REALLY MATTER .

Where the 416 Ruger really shines is its cost of the rifle and ammo.It is also well know that in Alaska most rifles I have seen get treated like a boat paddle.Do you really want to put your $10,000 416 Rigby in the bottom of the boat in the water and get it wet and bloody ?No you dont the 416 Ruger is a tough made for hell and high water gun.I went out moose hunting on a drop hunt once and saw a guy cry about what it did to his Weatherby Mark V lazer Mark.It was ruined by the rain ,rusted and the stock was a mess.I just wish more articles about the 416 Ruger had been published.I have only seen two.I think a few TV shows with the gun in the boat in the water and the snow and rain could help this rifle sell.A bear hunt on Kodiak with the rain and snow there would do it big justice .I love the 416 caliber.I have onle one wood stocked 416 rifle a model 70 Winchester 416 rm.I want a HS stock for this gun.Maybe Craig Boddington could hunt Alaska instead of Africa once to help this gun and caliber.I had friends hunt Kodiak this past Fall in the rain and it did a number on their blued wood rifles.I think a 350 gr ligher kicking load of 2400 fps could help it too.I really like my short Rem 700 Big Game Rifle 416 rm its just not stainless.My Rem 700 Kevelar Stocked stainless 416 RM is awesome but I would cry if I lost it in the River.I have seen a few boat loads of guns and equipment lost in the rapids in Alaska .I keep thinking about a 416 Ruger in the old 7 mm rem mag Model 77 Ruger Tang safety might be a fun gun to have .Ruger better boost the 416 Ruger or it will fade fast .

A 350 at 2400 would be sweet. I just chronied mine at 2601 with a 350 mag tip. Very nice to shoot but I was comparing it to the 510 Wells that I just put 5 rounds through.