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I'm planning my next big bore (already have the 375HH, 416 Rigby, and 458Lott) and the 500A2 seems like the next (and final) stop. I plan on loading the 500A2 DOWN to 505 Gibbs or 500 Jeffrey levels as I'm betting it probably can dish out more recoil than I really want to take. Probably iron sights and a CZ550 Safari Magnum platform; however, one key item, I would need to acquire a .510 barrel Length per the other post, maybe 22 to 24" however what about: ** Barrel manufacturer (for CZ Action) ** Twist rate (versatility wise: big bullets at maybe 2200fps, and light stuff [ha! 530grs] faster at 2350fps) ** and what sort of secondary recoil lug (something I didn't used to have to worry about.) ** and, I hesitate to ask, what about a beefed up CZ hogback stock? These are my favorites on my other Big Bores --- personally, they just fit me and recoil with them has not been a barrier! I've steel bedded my Lott, with 2 internal cross bolts and 3 external cross bolts. On a 500A2, while I'm playing with my router and exotic "ingredients" should I anticipate "working in" some tungsten to increase the rifle weight? What would be your recommended finished weight for a 500A2? If one is adding weight, then what kind of ratio between weight put into the forearm versus that put into the butt? (Personal, I know, but I'm interested in your preferences.) Rob? RIP? Jeffe? Mrlexma? Thanks, EKM ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | ||
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HI EKM, The barrel can be manufactured by anyone of your choice. Your gunsmith will cut the barrel threads to fit your CZ. A 1 in 10 or 1in 12 twist would work good for the 500 A-Square with all weight bullets. You actually need the faster twist rate for the heavier bullets. The cross bolts and extra barrel lug are both good ideas. Your stepping inot a different realm with the A-Square recoil over the Lott recoil. A finished gun weighing from 10.5 to 11.5 lbs would be good. Only add the extra weight if you need to change the ballance. I don't think your gun will be less than 10.5 lbs with the CZ action and a 24 inch barrel. I prefer the straight inline stock with a large butt area along with the Pachmyer F990 recoil pad to deal with recoil. Best of luck with your project. Take care, Dave | |||
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Yep, use adequate barrel weight and buttstock weight only if needed to balance after you get those 5 or 6 crossbolts and axial grip bolt into the wood. Something like a number 7 or 8 (varies by maker)that is about diameter 0.850" to 0.875" at the 23" muzzle should get you about 10.75 lbs, like my BRNO, same as the CZ 550 magnum. My 27" barreled Ruger No.1 required a muzzle diameter of 1.000" to get the weight up to 10.75 lbs. | |||
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ask 4 engineers, get 7 opinions, and 11 challenges to then 7 positions... If I was doing it.. pacnor #6, but with a 1.3" shank that was 1" longer (puts the weight in you hands, not in the taper) **** I would have a "washer" left in a 1.75" blank left 2" long to make my sight island and recoil lug.... but I do most of my own work, so that is part of the price***** 24" 1x14 or 1x18 because it's easier on cast bullets(this tops out at 650gr milsurp, but is fine for 535 and 600gr hunting bullets) 1" long, 1/2" deep, just under barrel width wide, dovetailed, drilled and tapped, then silver soldered in recoil lug ON or AT the end of the shank. trust me, you want it RIGHT there shank for ease of fitting. you say "loading down" to 500 jeffe... which is where it's a good place to be anyway... 9.5-10#, which you can adjust with lead shot in the bedding material. needs one crossbolt, pin down the wrist, and the lug glassed in. necg universal front band (the adjustable one) whatever sling barrel stud, and either reuse the CZ rear or use an necg ruger rear peep. Me, I would use the CZ rear, if I had done the island... or build one up. in the CZ american stock, scoping it is not out of the question opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Thanks all so far.... 470Mbogo
Probably so, hence the desire to load it down a bit to 500 Jeffrey or 505 Gibbs levels. IMHO, if it wasn't a different world from my Lott then it wouldn't be worth the trip.... I want that last bit of oh sh!# power sitting in reserve for those days I or my friends are feeling needlessly frisky. Okay, perhaps a bit of uninitiated bravado there; however, I have come this far from my old .270 days, so I consider myself to be a worthy candidate. At some point I expect to "hit the wall" and at full strength 500A2 loads, I figure that may well be it. At 500 Jeffrey levels I'm betting I can run with the big dogs. Worst case I sell the rifle. Thanks for the caution signal, before its all over, "I told you so" (on your part) may apply. ============================================= Jeffe & RIP, Axial wrist pin... I think I understand the idea; however the devil is in the details --- definitely should be more stressful than putting in a set of crossbolts. ** What diameter of pin and of what type of material? [1/2" stainless grade 4 or 5 threaded bolt material?] **If a 1/2" "bolt" is used then how big of a drilled hole? [tight or a little extra room for steel bed] **Do you go out of your way to "rough up" the hole walls for better bonding between the wood (or plastic) and the steel bolt? ** For the bedding, I assume you fill the axial wrist hole with glass (or steel bed), then goop all the surfaces of the "bolt", then slowly insert/twist the unit in from the top and let it push the excess glass out the bottom side, and then clean up and "cap" the bottom hole (with what?) and then "top off" the top side and sculpt it a little. Am I on the right track? Thanks in advance, EKM ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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EKM, I can only tell you what my choices were and why I chose them. First, my 500 A2 rifle was built by AHR more or less to my specs--"more or less" because Ed Plummer has staked out some excellent basic parameters that you pretty much "buy" into, subject to a range of variations that you may choose. That's the definition of "semi-custom" and keeps costs reasonable. Action: AHR modified CZ 550 Magnum. AHR's standard modifications include adding a Win. Model 70 style three position safety, straightening the bolt handle and filling in the bolt knob and modifying and repositioning the trigger, as well as blueprinting the action, etc. Barrel Maker: Don't know. I think Ed uses a few suppliers and I never asked. Barrel Length: 25 inches and quite a heavy contour. My barrel measures 1.250" in diameter just ahead of the receiver ring and 0.800" at the muzzle. I generally like my rifle barrels to be long and, on a DGR, heavy. They "hang" better and the weight up front reduces barrel flip. And I have never found the longer barrel to be the least bit of a hindrance in hunting. Twist Rate: 1 turn in 14 inches. Works fine for what I want to shoot through it, which are 570 and 600 grain bullets at 2,300-2,450 fps. Recoil Lug: Yes. It is very substantial, looks to be silver soldered to the barrel, and is glass bedded into the forearm just a bit ahead of the barrel shank. BTW, the barrel is full length glass bedded. Cross Bolts: Yes--double cross bolts. Bedding: Full glass bedded action and, as noted above, full length glass bedded barrel, too. No steel or tungsten mixed in. Just glass. Weight: My rifle has two mercury tubes in the buttstock. As originally shipped, my rifle weighed in at about 11 lbs.--something like 11 lbs. and 1 oz., IIRC--unloaded. It balanced a bit forward of the receiver ring. After shooting it a bit, I sent it back and had Ed add some lead to the buttstock, so that the rifle now balances right at the receiver ring. It now weighs 11.5 lbs. empty and 12 lbs. fully loaded and balances right behind the receiver ring, which is perfect, IMO. The barrel is heavy enough that no extra weight has been added to the forearm. I won't lie and tell you it's fun to lug around--hell, it's heavier than Rosie O'Donnell--but the perfect balance helps and I really appreciate every ounce of that weight when I touch off a round! Stock: The AHR stock is well designed--it's based on a profile developed by the great Jerry Fisher--and I find it quite comfortable to shoot. It has a straight buttstock with very little drop at comb and heel. For me, that makes it easier to manage the recoil. This stock design pushes the recoil straight back into the shoulder instead of upwards off of the shoulder and into the face. Also, my rifle has a shadowlined oval cheekpiece, which I like and find to be comfortable. General: I killed an elephant with this rifle last October in the Caprivi. After the hunting was over, my PH, Vaughan Fulton, and another PH with Classic Safaris, Gert Van Der Walt, and I went out to Vaughan's "sighting-in" area and shot up most of the rest of my ammunition at some makeshift "reactive" targets--empty Lagavulin whisky bottle boxes filled with sand. The boxes had been full of whisky bottles when I first got to camp, and the whisky bottles had been full of whisky, but somehow they all conveniently ended up empty just in time for our little shooting spree.  We placed the sand-filled boxes about 40 yards down range and unlimbered the .500.The loads I had with me were made up of 116 grains of H4350sc, BeLL brass, Fed. 215 primers and Woodleigh 600 grain solids and PP softs. This recipe gets me 2,300 fps at the muzzle. All three of us shot off-hand, and Vaughan and Gert both commented on the manageability of the rifle. In short order we had basically destroyed all of the boxes. We still had plenty of ammo and daylight, so Gert resorted to putting a lump of elephant dung on top of each one of the now battered, perforated and split open boxes. He declared that the dung was now the target and that shots that hit the boxes didn't count! We kept at it for quite a while, but let me just say that as good as my rifle is, it gradually became clear to all concerned that none of us could shoot for shit . . . . Each of us did manage to bag at least one elephant . . . turd . . . though.  Hope this has been helpful and best of luck with your rifle project. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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My 500a2 is built on a CZ550 and I used the original stock after crossbolting it and steel bedding it. Early Robgunbuilder DGR style( I've evolved since). Given the work involved I'd now use a Mcmillan CZ550 stock. Barrel is a Pac-Nor 1:15 twist and I throated it for 750 gr A-Max's. Sights were NECG and I have one of my famous co-axial muzzel brakes on it. The barrel lug is homemade. I kept cutting the barrel till I got it to balance over the front action ring. Length about 22 inches. Weight wound up at 10.5 lbs. The 500a2 is the easiest cartridge in the world to get to feed through a CZ action. It's also lots of fun with the 750gr A-maxs or pulled AP .50BMG rounds over XMP5744. Great Cartridge and great gun!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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My barrel lug is screwed and soldered and massive, but if I were doing a .500 Mbogo 3 Inch  I would get Harry McGowen to do a washer, like Jeffe says, using the bottom of the washer as the recoil lug, and the top of the washer as the sight base.15" to 16.5" twist is good for a .50 BMG with velocities around 2800 fps. 10" twist is great for slower moving target bullets in the 2100 to 2200 fps bracket with 750 grainers supersonic well past 1000 yards. I bet the Hornady A-Max would make a good elk bullet for cross-canyon shots, like a giant and tough ballistic tip with little wind drift due to ballistic coefficient of about 1.050.  The extra twist is good for 50 yard hits on game with 535 to 600 grainers, monometal softs and solids, like the TSX and flat nosed solids: perfection. Throat it with 0.5000" length of parallel-sided freebore of 0.5110" diameter, and a 1.5 degree leade, and you will handle any bullet adequately. | |||
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 Did you get any pictures of the shoot? Here is Gert (did he wear shoes in camp in the Caprivi?) shooting my very tame 9.3x62 at some charging melons in the river bed:  We had a shooting contest with the trackers (Matthew and Elias) and it was a lot of fun. They might not have liked your rifle though.  We now return you to your regularly-scheduled thread already in progress... ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Charles, My lovely wife got the whole shooting match on a mini-DVD. If I can ever figure out how to transfer a mini-DVD onto my hard drive and edit out clips, I will post some. Your shooting match sounds like fun. Jimmy, one of Vaughan's trackers, came along with us to help out on our shoot and I offered him a chance with the .500. Jimmy is about 5'2" tall and probably weighs no more than 120 lbs. after a good meal. As so many of the best trackers seem to be, Jimmy is a reformed poacher and a wily old fellow all around. After watching us blast away for a while, Jimmy politely declined to shoot the .500, but then, to our surprise, he asked for a go with my .416 Rigby. He fired it twice, which took a lot of guts, seeing as how the first shot bent his torso back and rocked him a full step backwards and onto his heels! He never hit any of the whisky bottle boxes. But we could tell by the dirt his shots kicked up that he came close both times. Plenty close enough for elephant, anyway! And Gert did wear shoes in camp. Otherwise, he'd have blistered his feet to medium rare in a New York minute. Man, it was HOT! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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We saw the sand fly in the river bed quite a bit : Apologies for the hijack! Back to the 500A2 discussion! ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Obviously, there could be a plethora of answers to this, but.... **What are your pet bullet type/weight/speed for your 500A2? **At what loading have you experienced recoil/power/blast that made for the "I don't don't want to go any further!" barrier? **Also, do you use a scope on your 500A2 or iron sights. What type of scope? What type of rear iron sights (wide V, peep/ghost rings)? ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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EKM, Sorry I got distracted by the amusing highjack and forgot to go back and respond. I used 5 inches of 1/2" allthread steel rod. I used a 1/2" drill bit. Get the stock level in a vice. Turn the drill upside down, handle up. Enter drilling is through the rear pillar area, the rear of the trigger well, before the pillar is installed. This sounds horrible, but it is all hidden and the rear pillar area is rebuilt with epoxy and aluminum, brass or steel pillar and epoxy. I like the steel or brass threaded tubing with ID big enough for the action screws to pass, for use as pillars. Angle the bit back into the buttstock so it passes through the grip but does not come out the bottom. You can hide 5 inches of grip rod with a 6" drill bit, more allthread can be hidden if you get a longer drill. Just hog the hole a bit with the drill so that the allthread will slide in easily. Then pack the hole with epoxy to over flowing using a 3/8" dowel. Then thoroughly coat the allthread rod with the same epoxy and push it into place, may require some tapping with a punch and hammer. You don't need to do this with a McMillan stock, but wood or wood laminate for a .500 A2 ought to have it done. When rebuilding the rear pillar area, might as well hide a small crossbolt buttward of the tang also, as Jack Lott showed in one of those Big Bore rifle articles Nickudu has posted here. A deep drill rod approach all the way from the butt to the rear pillar wouldd be great if anyone had that capability, for a wood or wood laminate stock. | |||
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Bolt action: Irons/open sights: PME copy of Winchester M70 African rear sight, with NECG Masterpiece front sight with adjustable height gold patridge post. The rear sight is flat topped with a square notch, like a 1911 combat pistol, and like a Merkel DR. Scope: Zeiss Jenna fixed 4X with integral mount that fits the BRNO ZKK 602 integral bases. Also a 2.5X Leupold in Warne low QD rings. Both zeroed dead on at 100 yards. Screw-on muzzle brake is used for load development and initial zeroing, then removed for final zero. Single shot, Ruger No.1: No open sights. Steel picatinny rail is screwed and soldered to the shank of the barrel that was left long and cylindrical for 6 inches for this purpose. Four Warne tactical rings of steel are used to hold a 4x-16x Sightron scope with mildot reticle to the picatinny, Weaver style. Muzzle brake is used. I have not destroyed the scope yet. I use a 5 mil holdover at 940 yards in a cow pasture to get on paper. I do not have the heart to try my Schmidt&Bender 4x-16x 34mm tube scope on this beast. It kicks harder than any braked .50 BMG I have tried, and by a good margin. | |||
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Huge cross section. 570 grains 2405 fps (Standard 416 Rigby speed w/ 400grs.) A mild load!  I suppose all things are a bit relative according to who's taking the hit.... This may be a new and different kind of "mild"! Bearing in mind what 470Mbogo said, i.e. "....Your stepping into a different realm with the A-Square recoil...." ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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my wrist pins run down the wrist, from the tang of the action towards the cap, but not through... generally about 4" 3/8" hole... just a slight bit of "waller" amd 38 all thread are my favorites. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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EKM, My favorite load is posted above. RL-15 and 570 grain Barnes XLCs have worked well too. I can get up to 2,500 fps with 112 grains of RL-15 and no pressure signs. I am itching to try the Barnes 570 grain TSXs and FN banded solids, but haven't been able to get my hands on any yet. As for sights, I use irons only. NECG (i.e., Recknagel) masterpiece front, with the fiber optic bead, and two blade island rear (one fixed and one folding blade). This rear sight has a wide "V" and is customized with an inlaid gold wire in the centerline below the "V". As for recoil, well let me just re-emphasize that a great stock design and enough weight are key. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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My 570 grain XLC load is 110 grains of RL-15 for 2405 fps in my shorter 23" barrel of 10" twist. That is chronographically consistent with MR's 112 grain load in a longer barrel, 25" long and 14" twist. The A-Square manual shows loads for a 26" barrel of 10" twist with the 600 grain Dead Tough soft point: 113 grains RL-15 >>> 2316 fps and 43,000 psi 118 grains RL-15 >>> 2467 fps and 57,500 psi Both MR and I are getting considerably higher velocities with the 570 grain XLC, but certainly comfortably low pressure. That is why I called it a mild load: pressure. It is not mild on either the target or the shooter. The rifle JAB's pretty well on both ends. I have never been scope-kissed on the forehead by the ".510 JAB" of the .500 A-Square, due to respect for the rifle's power. Hang on tight! | |||
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My wrist bolt may have been a bit of overkill. Jeffe's 4 inches of 3/8" allthread should be more than adequate. I would do that too if I did it again. My .470 Mbogo laminate stock has the 5 inch long 1/2" allthread done as above. I need a McMillan stock for the .470 Mbogo. The current laminated stock for "Thor's Buffalo Hammer" will not go to waste. With all the steel and epoxy in it, it needs to go on a .500 Mbogo 3-Inch Express: 1--hidden axial wrist bolt 1--hidden crossbolt behind tang 2--visible cross bolts fore and aft of the magazine box 1--hidden crossbolt at primary recoil lug 1--hidden crossbolt at secondary (barrel) recoil lug 2--stainless steel bedding pillars. I once x-rayed the stock to marvel at all the steel in it. | |||
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RIP That makes sense, mild pressure not necessarily "mild recoil" from a physics stand point (even with a heavy rifle and goof technique) that many grains moving that fast is gonna punch and jump. QUESTION regarding the "donor" CZ what is the best cartridge for minimal rail and feeding? 416 Rigby? ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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Jawohl, .416 Rigby, of course, but mine was made from a .375 H&H BRNO ZKK 602, a McMillan stock, and a 10" twist McGowen stainless .510 caliber No.7 contour barrel (0.875" muzzle) with minimal fuss. | |||
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Regarding replacing the CZ wood stock with a McMillan stock.... looks like $385 will do it.... Any thoughts as to which of these is preferable? ** CZ AHR or ** CZ Express McMillan Stocks ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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CZ Express, for 550 Magnum and BRNO ZKK 602, and even the BBK-02 and -01. That is the one I used for my 500 A2, and I could always use another. Of course the barrel channel had to be enlarged: scraped and sanded until the fat barrel fit, glass bedded. The CZ AHR is for the CZ 550 medium, not the magnum action. Note the short box depth. | |||
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RIP, thanks.... regarding another component: McGowan doesn't have a website as far as I can tell and isn't answering the phone (of course today is Saturday). Soooo, ** Any guestimate how much a McGowan barrel for a 500A2 would cost (NOT stainless)? ** Any guestimate how much additional charge the "extra washer" work for the secondary recoil lug and rear sight platform would run? ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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Seems like the last stainless .423 cal. No.5 10" twist barrel I bought was only about $250.00, a few months ago. I also remember thinking, McGowen is a lot less expensive than Lilja, and his barrels shoot just as well. The integral features he offered were in the mere few hundreds of dollars, not thousands that you hear about so often regarding quarter ribs, etc. I just don't recall exactly. If you find out, post here. If I find out, I will post here. Telephone calls pending to Harry McGowen. You know Harry McGowen is making the CZ barrels for the CZ-USA Safari Classic rifles, and they have integral sight base and an integral fixture for the recoil contraption. What we are wanting would be simpler than that. You know he doesn't get much from CZ-USA for doing that. I would like a CZ style rear sight island and the other side of the barrel left as a solid lump. Harry is reasonable. | |||
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While the barrel is at McGowen's.... ** Does McGowen do the threading for a muzzle break and provide a cap for same? Seems like there would be no better time to have that bit of work done than at the rifle-barrel-maker. I would most likely spring for the muzzle break itself later on --- if one knows whose break one would be using, then I'm thinking threads are threads. **I wonder what the odds are of him installing the CZ front sight and barrel band? Now for a sharp departure.... **Could one get (from McGowen) a standard issue CZ-450 Rigby barrel (complete with sights, F-block secondary lug, and barrel band) and run a 500A2 reamer into it? The 500A2 is larger at every turn is it not? I wonder what twist the 450 Rigbys are. If possible, then no customizing costs at all! (except the reamer and perhaps muzzle break prep work) **Would the F-Block system be sufficently robust to act as the secondary recoil lug to a 500A2? Okay, not perfect, but sufficent? As you mentioned.... Phone calls pending to Harry. ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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Ahh... but then you would have a 45 cal barrel with a 50 cal chamber? Or did I miss something in the above description?  Fergus | |||
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Argggh, Stupid.  Focusing on the chamber end of things and seeking to avoid incurring all the "extras" like 2nd recoil lug, front sight, rear sight, etc, etc.  Yes, I believe that set up would likely lead to excessive pressures. I've never had to build a rifle by changing major components as is the case with the 500A2, reaming out a 458WinMag to 458Lott or doing stock work does not qualify!  Damn amateurs.  Live and learn I guess! Thanks for being relatively "gentle"! Argggh, With remorse, EKM ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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Who do you recommend for peep (ghost ring) sights for a CZ 550 Safari magnum? ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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I am still waiting for NECG to make the one they said they were working on 2 years ago. Until then, a Weaver style NECG can be used with modifications. If a peep is to be used, I say forget the express style rear sight on the barrel altogether, or remove any fixed standing blade from the dovetail and put a filler blank into the slot. | |||
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McGowen's: 340 Barrel (stainless & for a 500A2) 135 Fit To Action 055 Satin the stainless barrel 065 Secondary Recoil Lug - Silver Solder ---- 595 Sub Total 090 Barrel Band for sling (silver soldered) 125 Front Sight ala Ruger ---- 810 Total === Note: Harry suggested a #5 contour with .75" @ the muzzle, no difference in charge for the #7 contour though. BTW, what a nice guy. =================================== RIP, I'm leaning heavy towards the advise of those that have them, carry them, and shoot them versus just build them or just build components. Just one concern, using the hogback stock and #7 barrel, am I going to have "enough wood" in that shnapel (sp) forearm and barrel channel after I rout it out for the new barrel and the steel bedding? EKM ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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EKM, Thanks for reminding me to call. That Lux forearm is pretty small but it might be done: Depends on whether the new recoil lug sticks through the wood on the bottom of the forearm with that fat barrel. The American is only slightly fatter.I wood give it a try. Just be prepared to get a McMillan. Since I started off with an aged BRNO ZKK 602, I went with McMillan from the start. I like the Lux hogback on a .458 Lott I have, but I have not tried it on a .500 A2. Maybe Will could enlighten us on that?  | |||
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Anyone know what a CZ 550 Safari Mag action (with rails and magazine box set for 416 Rigby plus the set trigger and bottom steel) sell for? What is the best source? TON80 at the CZ Connection in Georgia perhaps? ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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i think the action is about 650 from jerry's .. the action stock, and sights are abotu 820... since you can't stock a cz for 90 bucks, even if to have just a handle, and I'll give you 50 for the take off barrel and sights, you can't miss jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe, I'll keep your offer in mind as I may well end up with the spare barrel and it is unlikely I will ever "shoot out" my current 416 Rigby barrel. I found a sold transaction on gunbroker.com for a new CZ 550 Safari 416 Rigby action with all the hardware (except barrel) that closed for $525. Since my gunsafe is fairly well "fortified" at the moment.... I plan on taking a sniper's approach and pick off the components here and there at a reasonable rate. I have no allergy to acquiring used CZ's as that is where I picked up both my 416 Rigby and then my 458 Lott (formerly 458WinMag) both for about $500 each. Also it seems the generalized dislike for the hogback stocks also plays right into my hands --- what one man hates another loves. A hunter's patience is an asset. ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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EKM I don't think you will want to have the set trigger on a 500 A-Square. You wnat to have a good trigger with a trigger pull you have to work a bit before it goes off. A touchy trigger will just get you in trouble with 100 lbs. of recoil waiting. Take care, Dave | |||
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"tried the ackly, ay?" jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Dave, he's doing okay.. I think the weatherby brow finally healed up... though it was a little scary with his brain exposed jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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