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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
its non-linear .. a 577 ne, in 13.5# gun is 7000ftlbs, and about 103 ftlbs recoil ..

a 375hh is 4000ftlbs energy, and like 40 (from memory) lb recoil ..

like pressure and velocity .. non-linear ..

so, a 500 jeffe .. a pretty standard round, is also about 101 ... about 6800 ft-lbs ME ...

like i said, a 458 isn't a big deal .. its kind of a pop gun, really, in terms of really big bores .. after 10 rounds of 500 jeffe, or 550 express, you can shoot a winamg all day ...

and a 375? comparatively, nil recoil ..

and of course this thread is about 100lbs of recoil or more .. heavy mediums are FUN to shoot, too ...

in british reconning, the 416 is a heavy medium ..

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Originally posted by China Fleet Sailor:
I don't talk about things I don't know about.

It's hard for me to believe that there are rifles that recoil with more than 100 lbs of energy.

That's half the weight of a really big man, against one shoulder.

But I've never fired anything larger than a .458. and I don't have much experience with one as I decided to buy the .416 instead.

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Originally posted by 500N:

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Originally posted by China Fleet Sailor:
I don't talk about things I don't know about.

It's hard for me to believe that there are rifles that recoil with more than 100 lbs of energy.

That's half the weight of a really big man, against one shoulder.

But I've never fired anything larger than a .458. and I don't have much experience with one as I decided to buy the .416 instead.

I'd suggest you stick under 458 and below and stay well away from anything like the 530 Woodleigh or 550 as mentioned above.

I am not that recoil sensitive BUT I shot the 530 Woodleigh twice - and they were at the upper end of the load scale but they were brutal. I actually preferred a 600 Nitro to the 530 (which is buolt on a 505 Gibbs case blown out a bit).

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Originally posted by China Fleet Sailor:
That's half the weight of a really big man, against one shoulder.

I'm still forced to ask, why?

If I wanted half the punishment I'd take up Krav Maga again. Or hire a dominatrix.

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Originally posted by Steven Dawson:
My worse recoil nighmare happened 2 years ago with a new 500 Nitro sxs I was shooting for the first time. I set up the chronograph to get a base line on what the gun would shoot factory loaded ammo at and check regulation. As I said the gun was new and I had never shot it. I will also not mention the maker because they were horrified and fixed the gun as soon as I told them what it did. I sat down at the shooting bench with both barrels loaded and squeezed the rear trigger and the recoil was so great the rifle flew out of my hand that was holding the forearm bloodied my nose, gashed my second finger on the trigger guard and nearly knocked me off the bench. I did manage to hold onto the gun and not let it hit the ground. This was one huge boom like a single shot. I could also see one bullet hole just above the bulleye on the target at 50 yards. I had a 500 nitro a couple years before this gun and shot it quite a lot but didn't remember it kicking that hard. I though maybe I had become a sissy and just did remember how hard the 500 kicked. I then sat back down and gritted my teeth and prepared to shoot the front trigger. When I tried to gun would not go off. At that time I opened the action and discovered that both barrels had gone off at the same time. I then single loaded the rifle and shot a round through each barrel to check regulation which was excellent. With this being a new rifle I though maybe something was stuck so I loaded both barrels and sat down and shot the rifle again at which time it again doubled. I then took the rifle home and called the maker, who suggested the rifle should be shot, front trigger first, which I thought was crazy but I took the rifle back to the range and tried that and the rifle doubled again. By this time I had the worse headach I had ever had from shooting, a bloody nose and a real cut and pump knot on my second finger. My question is how much recoil energy do you think that rifle generated when it doubled. I know I felt bad the rest of the day. There was also two other shooters from Germany on the bench beside me when I shot the first double and the rifle flew out of my hand and bloddied my nose. The expressions on their faces were priceless!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by China Fleet Sailor:
That's half the weight of a really big man, against one shoulder.

I'm still forced to ask, why?

If I wanted half the punishment I'd take up Krav Maga again. Or hire a dominatrix.

nope.. i'm a texan, and barely pass for middle weight around here...

why? why become a 3rd dan? because!
how about a dominatrix that dabbles in krav maga .. i can arrange a meeting, for a fee, of course

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Originally posted by China Fleet Sailor:
That sounds like good advice. I'll just say, "to each their own."

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Originally posted by 500N:

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Originally posted by China Fleet Sailor:
That sounds like good advice. I'll just say, "to each their own."

BTW - It wasn't a criticism - when I first started shooting, my Win Mod 70 in 30.06 used to kick the shit out of me on the bench.

practice and a bit of extra bulk helped to tame it before moving on to bigger things.


I doubt anybody could fire 100 rounds from a 500, 530, 550 or 600 and still be standing without any adverse effects - or just still standing !!! LOL.


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Originally posted by Steven Dawson:
My question is how much recoil energy do you think that rifle generated when it doubled.

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Originally posted by Nganga:
[Interesting stuff. All that being said how is it possible to shoot 120# for a hundred rounds or more and not do physical damage to ones body? whether it's detached retina or inner ear issues.
Steve

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:
Steve,

I raced against Lance back in the 80s and he whipped my ass!!! That doesn't say much about either of us but I can add that at least back then, none of us thought he was doping. Only he and God know for certain on that subject.

My comments about the eye and ear stuff - well, I have no reason to doubt what happened to your colleagues and actually it in no way contradicts what I stated earlier.

Anyway, the list of "impossibilities" that have been proved wrong over the years is a very long list indeed. In my line of work, "always", "never" and "impossible" rarely have validity.

Beer is on me when someday we get together. I'll warn you now that simply reading the label is enough to make me tipsy, though.

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In my line of work, "always", "never" and "impossible" rarely have validity.

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Originally posted by 1895gunner:
Here is a table that I came across that lists many (not all loads or calibers) of the common calibers recoil energy.

Cartridge (Wb@MV) Recoil energy
.30-30 Win. (160 at 2400) 12.7
.308 Marlin Express (160 at 2660) 13.4
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 20.3
.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2960) 25.9
.338 Marlin Express (200 at 2400) 16.2
.375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690) 36.1
.38-55 Win. (255 at 1415) 9.5
.444 Marlin (240 at 2400) 23.3
.444 Marlin (265 at 2200) 22.1
.45-70 (350 at 1900) 37.9
.450 Marlin (350 at 2000) 37.2
.458 Win. Mag. (500 at 2100) 62.3
.458 Lott (500 at 2300) 70.4
.460 Wby. Mag. (500 at 2600) 99.6
.470 N.E. (500 at 2150) 69.3
.50 BMG (647 at 2710) 70.0

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Originally posted by jwm:
Years ago I read an article penned by Jeff Cooper in which he stated that big-bores, once sighted-in and otherwise prepped for hunting, should not be shot to any great extent as the recoil would eventually, and inevitably, cause damage to bedding, stocks, etc. He was adamant that once the shooter had totally familiarized himself with the gun, that it should be held in reserve for hunting. I believe he may even have mentioned a number of rounds to be considered a safe maximum to use for this purpose. IIRC he was talking low numbers, something in the range of a few hundred rounds.

Is this a valid idea? And if it is, would this be referring to only the biggest boomers, .500 and up perhaps? I recently got my first .458 (Win model 70) and have put about 200 rounds through it so far. I'm assuming that my plan to shoot this gun a lot over the years is safe for the rifle. Comments? Reassurances?

John