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Who can build me a 2 Bore Single Shot Cartridge Gun?
27 July 2008, 22:47
SAFARIKIDWho can build me a 2 Bore Single Shot Cartridge Gun?
Yes,I would like a True 2 Bore Breechloader to hurl those 3500 grain Projectiles!I would want it to have a 20" Octagon Barrel with Express Sights and Killer Wood,maybe Case Hardned Receiver and not to weigh over 20 pounds...Now,where do I start?
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27 July 2008, 22:52
Macifejquote:
not to weigh over 20 pounds
Phone The Wizard of Oz...
27 July 2008, 23:23
DGR Shooterquote:
Yes,I would like a True 2 Bore Breechloader to hurl those 3500 grain Projectiles!
DUDE, You're the man! In all seriuosness, I'm curious what kind of velocity you're looking to push those 3500 grainers at?
I don't even think you'd have to shoot it, just hold it up so the elephant, buffalo, or whatever
can see that cannon and they'll probably die of a heart attack
28 July 2008, 01:35
SAFARIKIDabout 1400fps should do it!
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28 July 2008, 01:41
Tyler KempWow, good luck with this and keep us posted.
How does one handle 500 lbs of recoil?
Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too!
Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.
28 July 2008, 05:07
bigdoggy700Kid, that comes out to 594 ftlbs of recoil. Thats almost 4 times are 4 bore doubles!!. It looks like my 2 bore black powder gun is going to come in at about 25 lbs. Thats light enough for me!!
28 July 2008, 05:46
500grainsButch Searcy has the ability to build that gun, but I do not know if he would want to.
You could also commission it from H&H. It would take 4 or 5 years and $200K, but they would get it done.
Try Ken Owens. I understand he specializes in 4 bore doubles so he should be your man.
28 July 2008, 06:36
SAFARIKIDquote:
Originally posted by LJS:
Try Ken Owens. I understand he specializes in 4 bore doubles so he should be your man.
Ken is a good friend and has built several 4 bores for me and friends,plus some 600s...He is taking a break now on big bores...
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28 July 2008, 06:38
SAFARIKIDquote:
Originally posted by Macifej:
quote:
not to weigh over 20 pounds
Phone The Wizard of Oz...
I did and he said to call YOU!
Any progress on these on your end...you have the case and bullets,just need the rifle...I am ready and willing!
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28 July 2008, 06:41
SAFARIKIDquote:
Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
Kid, that comes out to 594 ftlbs of recoil. Thats almost 4 times are 4 bore doubles!!. It looks like my 2 bore black powder gun is going to come in at about 25 lbs. Thats light enough for me!!
yah,thats quite a "Jolt"
....maybe we can put a removable tank brake on it
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28 July 2008, 06:46
Macifejquote:
Any progress on these on your end
Lots of progress actually but I'm not tellin'
Sending you a spreadsheet via e-mail...
28 July 2008, 09:47
GrandpasezI have a 5" long case and a barrel. Plan on doing
a falling block in future to handle it.Cases hold
enough powder to get a 3000gr up to 3000 fps.Ed
MZEE WA SIKU
28 July 2008, 09:55
SAFARIKIDOne Word...OUCH Ouch!
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28 July 2008, 14:38
bigdoggy700At almost 70,000 ft lbs of energy, that gun had better be about 100 lbs to keep from killing yourself with recoil.
28 July 2008, 14:45
bigdoggy700My mistake, it is a mere 60,000 ft.lbs of energy, not 70,000. A 100 lb rifle will only have 354 ft.lbs of recoil. Thats a lot.
28 July 2008, 15:58
jens poulsenquote:
Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Yes,I would like a True 2 Bore Breechloader to hurl those 3500 grain Projectiles!I would want it to have a 20" Octagon Barrel with Express Sights and Killer Wood,maybe Case Hardned Receiver and not to weigh over 20 pounds...Now,where do I start?
2 Bore...hmmmm....what`s wrong with a 1 bore??
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28 July 2008, 19:21
trophyhunter5000quote:
Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
At almost 70,000 ft lbs of energy, that gun had better be about 100 lbs to keep from killing yourself with recoil.
Interesting thought "death by recoil"...
I wonder about what the threshold is?
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28 July 2008, 19:59
500grainsDoesn't the 12 gauge from hell satisfy the ballistic requirement of 3500 grains at 1400 fps?
And wouldn't that be the easier route?
28 July 2008, 20:59
Jim ManionA twenty pound 2 bore, huh?
quote:
"Among other weapons, I had an extraordinary rifle that carried a half-pound percussion shell--this instrument of torture to the hunter was not sufficiently heavy for the weight of the projectile; it only weighed twenty pounds: thus, with a charge of ten drachms of powder, behind a half-pound shell, the recoil was so terrific, that I was spun round like a weathercock in a hurricane. I really dreaded my own rifle, although I had been accustomed to heavy charges of powder and severe recoil for many years.
None of my men could fire it, and it was looked upon with a species of awe, and was named "Jenna el Mootfah" (child of a cannon) by the Arabs, which being far too long a name for practice, I christened it the "Baby;" and the scream of this "Baby," loaded with a half pound shell, was always fatal. It was far too severe, and I very seldom fired it, but it is a curious fact, that I never fired a shot with that rifle without bagging: the entire practice, during several years, was confined to about twenty shots. I was afraid to use it; but now and then it was absolutely necessary that it should be cleaned, after lying for months loaded. On such occasions my men had the gratification of firing it, and the explosion was always accompanied by two men falling on their backs (one having propped up the shooter), and the 'Baby' flying some yards behind them. This rifle was made by Holland, of Bond Street, and I could highly recommend it for Goliath of Gath, but not for men of A.D. 1866."
Sir Samuel Baker,
The Albert N'Yanza, Great Basin of the NileIn another book, Baker talked about getting nosebleeds and headaches after every shot.
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28 July 2008, 21:03
Jim ManionOne drachm is equal to 60 grains. So little "Baby" was eating 600 grains of powder for every shot.
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28 July 2008, 21:21
.366torquequote:
Originally posted by hubel458:
I have a 5" long case and a barrel. Plan on doing
a falling block in future to handle it.Cases hold
enough powder to get a 3000gr up to 3000 fps.Ed
quote:
Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
My mistake, it is a mere 60,000 ft.lbs of energy, not 70,000. A 100 lb rifle will only have 354 ft.lbs of recoil. Thats a lot.
60,000 at the muzzle and with an estimated .290 B.C., @ 600 yards it'll be smacking 12,700!! Roughly what a T Rex starts with!
28 July 2008, 23:34
Macifejquote:
2 Bore...hmmmm....what`s wrong with a 1 bore??
1.67" - 7000 Grains - 800fps ...maybe? Only a Viking could carry one!! 28 July 2008, 23:46
boom stickthat is exactly the size of a golf ball.
Max golf ball dia is 1.68"
that would make for a looooong drive!
bring yer 1 bore to the golf range and go for hole in ones with a good scope
cheap plinking
A golf ball weighs approx 700 grains.
A 20 lb 1 bore should be easy to shoot 700 grains @ 3000 fps.
Golf suddenly just got more interesting...
28 July 2008, 23:52
MacifejYour golf ball might be on fire when it lands on the green.
28 July 2008, 23:56
boom stickaparently this has been done...
28 July 2008, 23:58
boom stick29 July 2008, 01:17
CCMDocquote:
Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Yes,I would like a True 2 Bore Breechloader to hurl those 3500 grain Projectiles!I would want it to have a 20" Octagon Barrel with Express Sights and Killer Wood,maybe Case Hardned Receiver and not to weigh over 20 pounds...Now,where do I start?
Tom,
I've scheduled you for prophylactic neurosurgery - clearly you have something loose up there already.
Failing that, I have you scheduled for orthopedic surgery to reconstruct your shoulder, clavicle, jaw and neck.
I'll hold on to your big-bore collection while you recover from the surgery
In all seriousness, I would like to lend you my HANS device for the first time you touch that monster off.
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29 July 2008, 01:46
600 Overkillquote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
that is exactly the size of a golf ball.
Max golf ball dia is 1.68"
that would make for a looooong drive!
bring yer 1 bore to the golf range and go for hole in ones with a good scope
cheap plinking
A golf ball weighs approx 700 grains.
A 20 lb 1 bore should be easy to shoot 700 grains @ 3000 fps.
Golf suddenly just got more interesting...
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29 July 2008, 04:19
GrandpasezFrom the shoulder I wouldn't fire max load
from my 2/bore case either, and load above is medium presssure,and the high pressure
max is much more than I posted above at
70k psi. Would get 5000 gr slug close to
3000. But hope to make mine a smoothbore and
fire long sided, deep hollowbase lead slugs of
about 2300 grains, then recoil be little more
manageable. Ed
MZEE WA SIKU
29 July 2008, 04:53
.366torquequote:
Originally posted by hubel458:
From the shoulder I wouldn't fire max load
from my 2/bore case either, and load above is medium presssure,and the high pressure
max is much more than I posted above at
70k psi. Would get 5000 gr slug close to
3000.. Ed
Could you get it a little faster?
At 3000 you're "only" hitting 99,800 ft lbs muzzle energy!!!!!!!
29 July 2008, 05:04
Tyler KempSo how do you handle recoil. For example, I weigh 125 lbs, my 45-120 recoils about 75 ft-lbs, and lifts me off my front foot even when leaning way into it. I don't know what I could do to help get a quicker follow-up shot.
Does this mean you would need to weigh about 700 lbs to shoot the 2 bore and not end up on your back?
Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too!
Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.
29 July 2008, 06:03
Macifejquote:
Does this mean you would need to weigh about 700 lbs to shoot the 2 bore and not end up on your back?
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29 July 2008, 07:25
SAFARIKIDWow,I am gone for a day and look at all of this!...I guess what I want may loosen my brain up a lil to much,so I will just stick to my 7 1/2pd .600 to be "safe"
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29 July 2008, 07:26
SAFARIKIDquote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Yes,I would like a True 2 Bore Breechloader to hurl those 3500 grain Projectiles!I would want it to have a 20" Octagon Barrel with Express Sights and Killer Wood,maybe Case Hardned Receiver and not to weigh over 20 pounds...Now,where do I start?
Doc,I will take you up on your offer and while we at it,lets get a facelift,nose job and whatever else it will take to make me pretty again!
Tom,
I've scheduled you for prophylactic neurosurgery - clearly you have something loose up there already.
Failing that, I have you scheduled for orthopedic surgery to reconstruct your shoulder, clavicle, jaw and neck.
I'll hold on to your big-bore collection while you recover from the surgery
In all seriousness, I would like to lend you my HANS device for the first time you touch that monster off.
"That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" !
29 July 2008, 09:48
GrandpasezI'm thinking a 30 lb gun, with max from the shoulder
of a 2300 gr slug at 20-2300. Any higher testing to show
off, barrel will be locked onto my 300 lb rest.Ed
MZEE WA SIKU
29 July 2008, 09:54
bigdoggy700Tyler, you need to put on some weight to shoot the really big stuff. I shoot 4 bore doubles,700 nitro and 700 AHR, and 600 overkill with pretty stout loads and my feet never move. Of course, I am anchored by my 375 lbs. That probably makes a difference.
29 July 2008, 10:20
Tyler KempHubel, get a video of the recoil if you could. With the loads you posted, guessing 200 grains of powder, I see over 400 ft lbs of recoil! I would like to see your stance before firing off the big stuff.
Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too!
Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.
29 July 2008, 11:27
Rodney H.{500Jeffery}Tyler, I'm only 40 lbs heavier than you and I don't recall a foot coming off the ground to date. Although I do feel a session at the range for a few days after as I need to work on technique. Rodney.
29 July 2008, 15:02
pichon1WHY?
