I've been using the search engine on here but i haven't come across anything at all about the 700AHR on elephant or any other game for that matter. So i'm asking if anyone has taken an elephant with the 700AHR and how well did it work? if no elephant, what game have you used it on and how did it perform? where are good places to get bullets, brass etc besides AHR? what are the ballistics of the heaviest loads of the 700AHR? does it outdo the 600OK in muzzle energy? i'm asking all this because i'm going to have AHR build a 600OK for me and i'm thinking of getting a 700AHR after that and i want find all the info i can on it first. i appreciate all the info i can get on this cartridge.

I find the 600 more interesting. This 700 obviously can say it’s the biggest in a bolt action but a few things to be aware. It isn’t true 700, its .6 something something . lathe turned brass, special caliber projectiles and I think loads are limited to around 11,000ftlbs, which sounds ridiculous to say 'limited to 11k' however for the sake of argument and your question the 600 will do that standing on its head, with drawn brass and readily available bullets.
Maybe the 700 outstrips it loaded up but for me that step is better being made to something like a single shot farqy in 700 nitro for the same price range. It’s a true 700, looks bigger, more pedigree and now you can walk up to 15,000ftlbs if you are insane enough.

I'd like to hear more about it before ruling it out alltogether but the info so far doesn't sound good at all.

The 50 BMG trimmed to 3"+or- necked to the 700 or the 700 DA/700 HE is are cool options.

Pez, Wayne at American Hunting Rifles (AHR) is the guy to talk to about the 700 AHR. It shoots a .685 1,000gr bullet, from 2,150 fps to about 2,400 if you want to handle it. AHR rifles in that caliber are built on special Granite Mountain actions, so that gets them up in the $12,000 range, where a 600 OK can be made on a CZ 550 action. If you intend to shoot it quite a bit, the 600 is probably the better choice. The difference is only .624 vs .685, rifles are less expensive, and bullets are much more readily available.

If you want Big, go 12gaFH or .700RLG. 1000gr bullet at 3100fps from either. Both based on the .50BMG, one rimmed, one rimless.-Rob

Pez,

I asked similar questions regarding those who have hunted with the 700 AHR, and, in reality, I have not found any of the guys who have done so yet. Status of use may have changed over the last few months, however.

That being said, DG will fall to it eventually, it is just a matter of time.

Wayne is finishing up my rifles as we speak, a 600 OK built on a GMA African Magnum action, and a 700 AHR obviously built on the same action. If you were to poll the guys here, I am quite certain that the 600 OK would be voted "King of the Big Bores" for any number of valid reasons, and they would all be right. That does not mean, though, that the 700 AHR is not a bad ass in itself...a 1000 grain slug at 2200 fps+ is nothing to laugh at, despite it being a 68.5 caliber cartridge, and not a true 70.0 caliber cartridge...no game animal is going to complain that a 600 OK was not used.

Also, Biebs is an expert and quite correct when he says that a 700 AHR build will run you upwards of 12K...mine, with all the "bells and whistles" is $11,500.00. Contrast that against a 700 NE bolt action, and, well...you get the point. Still, with a GMA for my 600 OK, I paid $8,500.00, though it can be had for much less if you use a CZ550 and limit the options.

Don't count the 700 AHR out whatsoever, as it is the biggest of the NA calibers for a bolt action and one of the world's largest despite medium used...but I would go with a 600 OK first, and then work on the 700 AHR build after.

I'll post pics when my rifles come in...

Respects,

Phill

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Originally posted by WHITE HUNTER BLACK HEART:
Pez,

I asked similar questions regarding those who have hunted with the 700 AHR, and, in reality, I have not found any of the guys who have done so yet. Status of use may have changed over the last few months, however.

That being said, DG will fall to it eventually, it is just a matter of time.

Wayne is finishing up my rifles as we speak, a 600 OK built on a GMA African Magnum action, and a 700 AHR obviously built on the same action. If you were to poll the guys here, I am quite certain that the 600 OK would be voted "King of the Big Bores" for any number of valid reasons, and they would all be right. That does not mean, though, that the 700 AHR is not a bad ass in itself...a 1000 grain slug at 2200 fps+ is nothing to laugh at, despite it being a 68.5 caliber cartridge, and not a true 70.0 caliber cartridge...no game animal is going to complain that a 600 OK was not used.

Also, Biebs is an expert and quite correct when he says that a 700 AHR build will run you upwards of 12K...mine, with all the "bells and whistles" is $11,500.00. Contrast that against a 700 NE bolt action, and, well...you get the point. Still, with a GMA for my 600 OK, I paid $8,500.00, though it can be had for much less if you use a CZ550 and limit the options.

Don't count the 700 AHR out whatsoever, as it is the biggest of the NA calibers for a bolt action and one of the world's largest despite medium used...but I would go with a 600 OK first, and then work on the 700 AHR build after.

I'll post pics when my rifles come in...

Respects,

Phill

thanks very much for the info. i was going to have my 600OK built on the CZ 550 but if everything keeps going good for me moneywise i've changed my mind to the GMA action because i want the very best and if i'm going to put a few grand on the rifle anyway why not put 3 more and get the best is my way of thinking. if i can get my 600OK for around $8,500 with a GMA action that sounds good to me. although i wish some things were different about the 700AHR my mind is still open to it.

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
If you want Big, go 12gaFH or .700RLG. 1000gr bullet at 3100fps from either. Both based on the .50BMG, one rimmed, one rimless.-Rob

i've done a little reading about them and from what little i know about them at the moment i like the 700RLG best. so the 700RLG could be the next big bore for me after the 600OK. i'll be doing as much research as i can on the 700s and see how things go. for now i'm very glad you came up with the 600OK as it fascinates the heck out of me and i think it is just a killer, killer cartridge. in fact i don't think i've read anything about the 600Ok that i didn't like and it has become my favorite big bore cartridge of all and that is a big deal because the big bore have fascinated me since i was only about 8 years old or so. i just need more of them, all i have now is a Remington 700 in .375RUM and a Winchester 1885 in 50-90 Sharps. i've had a 45-70 and 45-90 but traded them in on other rifles.

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Pez, Wayne at American Hunting Rifles (AHR) is the guy to talk to about the 700 AHR. It shoots a .685 1,000gr bullet, from 2,150 fps to about 2,400 if you want to handle it. AHR rifles in that caliber are built on special Granite Mountain actions, so that gets them up in the $12,000 range, where a 600 OK can be made on a CZ 550 action. If you intend to shoot it quite a bit, the 600 is probably the better choice. The difference is only .624 vs .685, rifles are less expensive, and bullets are much more readily available.

thanks Biebs.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
The 50 BMG trimmed to 3"+or- necked to the 700 or the 700 DA/700 HE is are cool options.

thanks. i'll check into them also.

Pez- No one has ever told me they were diosappointed in the .600Ok. Make no mistake, its a monster. You will like the 2150FPS loads and if you want to go full power you can. It can ring your bell! You were a wise man going with AHR as they have the recipe perfect and they deliver.
The .700RLG is also manageable but you need a real heavy rifle. It best done on a McMillan .50 BMG action with a tac-50 stock. Great for shooting tanks if any are lurking around your neighborhood. If you are near Vegas anytime, I'll be happy to let you shoot it.-Rob

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Pez- No one has ever told me they were diosappointed in the .600Ok. Make no mistake, its a monster. You will like the 2150FPS loads and if you want to go full power you can. It can ring your bell! You were a wise man going with AHR as they have the recipe perfect and they deliver.
The .700RLG is also manageable but you need a real heavy rifle. It best done on a McMillan .50 BMG action with a tac-50 stock. Great for shooting tanks if any are lurking around your neighborhood. If you are near Vegas anytime, I'll be happy to let you shoot it.-Rob

thanks very much for the kind offer, i'm a long ways away in North Carolina but the next time i do some travelling i might make a stop by there and ifi do i'll let you know before i get there. i didn't know much about AHR before coming to these forums so i'm very glad i came here because i may have made a big mistake as i was considering a .577 T-rex in a Hannibal rifle from A-Square. i'm very glad i don't rush to decisions because it seems the more info i find on A-Square the less i like them. finding brass, much less loaded ammo for the T-rex seems to be quite difficult also.

Pez, I happen to own the 2 700 ahr's on Waynes website and the 600 Overkill leaning against the buffalo on the home page. I have never hunted Africa and probably never will, but love collecting and shooting a lot. The 600 and the 700 ahr are easiy capable of handeling 11500 ft. lbs of energy if the shooter can deal with it. The 700 ahr can also be loaded with 1200 grain bullets. Both are great rifles. The 577 t rex is a sturdy built rifle by a square. It is sort of ugly though. It can push 750 grain bullets out to the 10000 to 11000 ft.lbs range also. new ones cost 4500 to 5000 and againn are pretty ugly. They do shoot well and are built like a tank. I do not know if a square is still really in business anymore or not. You should get a 600 and a 700 and enjoy both!!

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Originally posted by bigdoggy2bore:
Pez, I happen to own the 2 700 ahr's on Waynes website and the 600 Overkill leaning against the buffalo on the home page. I have never hunted Africa and probably never will, but love collecting and shooting a lot. The 600 and the 700 ahr are easiy capable of handeling 11500 ft. lbs of energy if the shooter can deal with it. The 700 ahr can also be loaded with 1200 grain bullets. Both are great rifles. The 577 t rex is a sturdy built rifle by a square. It is sort of ugly though. It can push 750 grain bullets out to the 10000 to 11000 ft.lbs range also. new ones cost 4500 to 5000 and againn are pretty ugly. They do shoot well and are built like a tank. I do not know if a square is still really in business anymore or not. You should get a 600 and a 700 and enjoy both!!

thanks. did you have your 600 built on a GMA action? at first i was going with the CZ action but since i want my rifle to be the absolute best it can be i've changed my mind to the GMA action. AHR told me the GMA action would be about $3,000 more and take 6 months longer to buld but if it is the best then the extra money and wait time will be worth it to me. they told the CZ was just as strong if not stronger than the GMA and i do think the Cz is a great action but i also want my rifle to be as valuable as possible also, even though i'm 99.9% sure i'll never sell it. but i just like knowing i have stuff with great value and being the collector i am i always like having the very best that can be had. btw i think your rifles on the AHR website are beautiful and i even saved the pics of them to my personal pics on my computer so i'll always have them to look at whenever i want. and the grey one is different but i sometimes i like things to be different and i think it is unique and has a fantastic look that is all it's own. after i get my 600OK and whatever other big bore i decide on i will get a deer rifle built with a maple stock to have something different and because i love the look of good maple, especially fiddleback maple. i never thought about having a maple stock until i saw a 1974 movie about a hunting trip gone bad called ''Savages'' in which the main character uses a 30-06 with a maple stock and i thought the rifle looked very unique and liked it very much. i also saw some pics of your big bore collection and it is an amazing collection and an inspiation for what i want my collection to at least be similar to eventually. with only 2 big bores right now i've got a long way to go but usually when i set my mind on something i will make it happen. i really regret selling my Winchester 1886 in 45-90 as that was a beautifully made rifle and limited to 500 units.

I've killed elephant with small bore squirrel rifles like the .375 H&H and the .458WM but I was curious how much these .600 and .700 rifles weigh.

Typically- 11-12lbs, but some build em lighter and some build em heavier. Not much more than your squirrel rifle in reality, but much more effective. Personally, I like em on the light side as I'll carry it far longer than I'll shoot it and I can take serious recoil for one or two shots. THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED TO BE SAFE QUEENS.-Rob

My wood stocked 700 ahr weighs in at 10 1/2 lbs, while the longer barelled silver one weighs in at almost 17 lbs. I have 3 600's, they are all built on a cz action. They weigh from 8.2 lbs to 11 lbs. Also have a lightweight 500 Jeffery at 5.5 lbs and a 458 lott at 4 1/2 lbs. hold on tight and shoot away!