Big Bore Fan,
very nice rifle, I have always been partial to the schnable forends, they are classic and add a trimness to a rifle...

How is the 10.75x68 such a low pressure round when compared to the .404J?

With regards it fitting standard mauser actions, I thought the .404J would as well, hence its one time popularity with various African Parks departments?

Regards,

Pete

Pete,
If I understand your question, the 10.75x68 is a low pressure round at 2100 FPS, the 404 is even lower at 2100 FPS..but the 10.75 can be upped to 2300 and the 404 can get as high as 2600 plus..The advantage if you want to call it that is the 10.75 is a smaller cartridge and very easy to build a nice light rifle around it..the 404 should be built a little beefyier to accomodate the recoil of a properly loaded bullet...

My 10.75x68 is a Hoffman and I sure wouldn't want to rechamber it to a 404 as that would ruin the collector value and the history of this fantastic little rifle...The workmanship, beauty of the wood and general appearance and balance makes this Hoffman one of my all time prizes, its simply simple elegance personafied..

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Atkinson:The workmanship, beauty of the wood and general appearance and balance makes this Hoffman one of my all time prizes, its simply simple elegance personafied

Pics??

Yeah what he said

Ray,

Thanks for that, I get it now...

Funnily enough I was reading Fin Aaraard the other night and he says the 10.75x68m and its factory load of 347grns at 2200 fps was "notorious for its lack of penetration" and "the least satisfactory cartridge ever devised specifically for big game"
It just goes to show how careful handloading can transform some of these old cartridges and breath new life into them...

And I echo the others...if you have a picture, I would love to see it...if you are not sure about how to post it, email to me and I will put it up for you...

Regards,

Pete

I have been waiting for sunshine to take some pics..but I can't post them..I can send them to you if you send me an email...

I will try again to get some decent pics...The rifle has very dark wood and lots of contrasting grain but I'm having the dickens making that show up in the photo...

The metal work is awesome and the front and rear have been surface ground with the barrel and come together like a recoil pad and wood, ala all Hoffmans. really looks nice IMO..then the old rust blue that looks like it was done yesterday and its probably 50 years old...The trigger is a military Mauser that breaks like a canjar, and the say it can't be done, bet me!!

I can get pretty excited over this old gun, sorry....

btt

PeteE
The problem with the 10,75 in the old days was the quality of the bullets.
The 350gr at @ 2300fps is a great load. The 400 gr. at 2100 fps is good for buff or elephant.

Ray, face it sooner or later you are going to have to send me a Royalty check for all these 10,75x68,s you touch.
I will be passing through Idaho in June
I will be looking for you.

450,
Be sure an holler..

I was reading an article in Hartari Times on the 10.75x68 and the Aussies regularly load it up to 2300 FPS with a 400 gr. bullet...That shocked me until I realized the 404 Jefferys will do 2600 FPS..those guns back then were all loaded down from what a good mauser will take...to back that up the article stated that factory loaded ammo at 2100 for 347 gr. bullets was about 40,000 PSI..and all these loads I have shot so far leave no ejector marks, no sticky extraction and nice rounded primer and 0 case head expansion...So like the 404, the 10.75 x 68 in a modern rifle can be loaded beyond those old loads by a good deal....


I sold that wonderful old Hoffman BTW, so I am attempting to duplicate it with a Custom Mauser that I am haveing Olson do the metal on and I'm doing the stock...I am also stocking a .416 Rem on a Mauser action, and a short barreled 404 Jefferys with a peep sight..All I need now is a couple of nice blanks of walnut..

Ray
I will give you a call, and I will buy you lunch. Should be around June 19th give or take a day or so.

Your on, I always like haveing lunch with my favorite fanatic!!

Zubin,

Rusi Jijina of the Bombay Gun House had a .423 for sale some years ago when I met him. I wasn't going to buy it and did not ask him about ammunition, but you could check with him.

Say Hi to him from me if you do meet him. I wonder if he goes on the net but he would be a wonderful member to have here with his vast knowledge of old guns and his collection in his shop.

Good hunting!

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Originally posted by Con:
I hope one day to build another 10.75 as I just loved mine, and they can be built light without kicking excessively.

My just-acquired 10,75x68 (a French MAS-36 sporter from 1948) weighs about 3,3 kgs (3350 grams), and I am curious how it will behave when fired .

Carcano

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Originally posted by carcano91:
My just-acquired 10,75x68 (a French MAS-36 sporter from 1948) weighs about 3,3 kgs (3350 grams), and I am curious how it will behave when fired .

Carcano

Only one way to find out! Enjoy!!!!

Carcano,

Congratulations on an unusual rifle.

Would you post some pictures, please? Good guns, like beautiful women are best shown off on your arm.

Thanks and good hunting!

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Originally posted by mehulkamdar:
Carcano,
Congratulations on an unusual rifle.
Would you post some pictures, please? Good guns, like beautiful women are best shown off on your arm.
Thanks and good hunting!

Thanks for your good wishes. Here is a very first pic... (just sat her on the scanner).



Carcano

Ray, I would like to make up another 10.75x68 on a Chilean Mauser action and a 21" barrel I have. How velocity sensitive is the round out of shorter barrels? The Hoffman is working out fine but I find it easier to shoot with a scope now days and do not want to drill and tap the Hoffman.

Have you tried 11,63x64?
Here, this is NEWER rifle (better laufstahl) and equal in quality to Type A Oberndorf Sporter:
Modele pour la Chasse aux Pachydermes

Carcano,

A very nice and unusual rifle. What kind of sights do you have on it? Have scope mounts been fitted?

Thanks and congratulations again,

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Originally posted by lb404:
Ray, I would like to make up another 10.75x68 on a Chilean Mauser action and a 21" barrel I have. How velocity sensitive is the round out of shorter barrels? The Hoffman is working out fine but I find it easier to shoot with a scope now days and do not want to drill and tap the Hoffman.

You may want to email or call him as I do not think he will respond here, unless he has changed his mind.

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Originally posted by mehulkamdar:
A very nice and unusual rifle. What kind of sights do you have on it? Have scope mounts been fitted?

Dear Mehul, the rifle has a square front sight blade and trapezoid, almost square rear sight notches. The 100 metres sight is fixed, 200 and 300 metres and flip-up blades.

The 10,75x68 version has - different from the 8x60 Magnum and 7x54 versions - no prepared provision for a scope mount. These two latter have an inverse prism milled into the front receiver bridge, and quick-releave provision at the rear bridge still bearing the former military rear sight base. The 10,75x68 however has the rear bridge milled down to a round contour.

Gun has an integral muzzle brake, just like the 8x60 Magnum.

Carcano

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
(Ray Atkinson)
You may want to email or call him as I do not think he will respond here, unless he has changed his mind.

What has happened? Why did he leave?

Carcano

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Originally posted by carcano91:

quote:

Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
(Ray Atkinson)
You may want to email or call him as I do not think he will respond here, unless he has changed his mind.

What has happened? Why did he leave?

Carcano

He took a lot of heat on a hunt report and decided he would rather not post. Here are a couple of the threads involved, but they are long and unpleasant:

Thread 1

Thread 2

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Originally posted by Atkinson:

This business should have been between Pierre, me and Sheephunter from the start, he chose to to make an issue of it back when...I do not know what he and Pierre agreed to, I do know he had an opertunity to back out with a full last minute refund, something unheard of in todays culture, and he chose not to, he is a big boy and made that decision on his own even at my insistences that he go eleswhere...Now some expect me to refund him because he didn't get his Lion or elephant, that would be a first in this business, do guides guarentee success or 100% endevor? He got that from Pierre by his own response, end of story.

Now as to this witch hunt, feeding frenzy, I could care less...

We have had a many good safaris and a long list of happy hunters, many have so posted on AR, so what some of you think is of little importance to me anymore after this charade...I will pack my bags and leave you to feed upon yourselves.

Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-326-4120
www.atkinsonhunting.com
ray@atkinsonhunting.com

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
Thread 2

42 pages - impressive!

Carcano

quote:

Originally posted by .366torque:

quote:

Originally posted by carcano91:
My just-acquired 10,75x68 (a French MAS-36 sporter from 1948) weighs about 3,3 kgs (3350 grams), and I am curious how it will behave when fired .

Only one way to find out! Enjoy!!!!

I did find out today. :-)
Five shots from the bench, sitting notstanding, front rested on a sandbag, buttstock only held with the left hand. 50 metres distance, open sights, rear sight blade flipped at 200 metres. I was aiming at a black standing rectangle 6.8 x 10.6 cms (= 2.5 x 4"), but maybe I should have used the normal ISSF bullseye target.

RWS factory ammo was used: 22,5 g (347 gr) FMJ bullet. Lot number 44 VQ, from the last production batch.

The recoil was stout but quite manageable, though I would not fire 20 shots leisurely in a row... and of course I was wearing a PAST Magnum recoil pad over my shirt. The gun did kick back straight into the shoulder (very little jump, due to the good stock design and the factory muzzle brake) and I would compare the recoil from this light rifle maybe to a full-house 9,3x64 (like the RWS TUG); a bit heavier than a 12/70 Brenneke slug load, and less than a 10/89 hunting load. The muzzle brake did a god job, but the RWS factory propellant may have been chosen with a longer barrel in mind and produced a lot of smoke, too much for my taste.

I am not satisfied with my accuracy (I will avoid blaming rifle, ammo, or rudimentary rest). After my first three shots, I fired two more, in order to abide by my own proclaimed standards ;-). The five holes nestled into two different sub-groups. If I were allowed to discount one (excuses are always at hand... like the first shot from the barrel since a decade or something close), the side dispersion would be fine, but the height dispersion... :-(.

Carcano