oops, I forgot

Ruger doesn't offer the RSM in 505 Gibbs.

This is going to be a fairly short thread, isn't it?


Polls closed...CZ in a landslide!

Rich
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Rebore the RSM.

George

Idaho Sharpshooter:


quote:
CZ is basically an overgrown Mauser 98 action.
This is a quote from your post. You go on to infer there is a guide rib on the bolt and a slot in the top of the receiver of the CZ therefore I'm asking you to tell me where it's located on a CZ 550?

Does a CZ 550 have a bolt guide?

I am not going to tell you!

Rich
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Do you know the answer?

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I am not going to tell you!

Rich
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Yes, I have to agree, Idaho Sharpshooter's answer is funny

Trying to get facts from Idaho is also funny Funny business that is

Since the CZ 550 does not have a bolt guide and Idaho Sharpshooter's definition of a Mauser is "having a bolt gude for one thing" ; Idaho never did advise second thing or third thing
then by Idaho's own definition the CZ 550 is "Sort of a Mauser" not an "overgrown M98".

Just the facts Ma'am, just the facts

try not to take life too seriously, you'll only end up with an ulcer and a perpetual case of "The Ass" as the US Army so quaintly phrased it. The CZ lacks the guide rib and top slot, it's my only issue. The Ruger, never mind, it's a beauty pageant, and it's not my pick. The CZ in 416 Rigby is half the retail price of the Ruger, and has a better trigger. That and I just bought a CZ in 505 Gibbs, and Ruger won't sell me one. Ruger also won't sell me one in Neal Shirley's awesome baby, the 550 Magnum.
Lack of choice in DG calibers, like 404 or 500J, or 450 Rigby of some sort.

Rich
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rich...now all you "need" is a 585...

man, let me get the 550 Gibbs up and running first.

The 585 is going to need a belt, unless I am brave enough to try headspacing on the case mouth ala 45acp! .640" -.585" bullets - 2x case mouth thickness of .016" = .023 divided by 2 -.005 case taper = .009" per side shoulder. That ain't no easy row to hoe Boomie. Besides, with the 550 Gibbs I see 800gr bullet at 2350fps and an eleven pound rifle that is a swift, fierce recoil impulse coming back at me. As the near sighted Tomcat said when he found out he'd been making love to a skunk....that's about all of that kind of fun I can stand for one night...

Rich
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Rich,

Congratulations on your new .505 Gibbs. We hope you and your .505 find success in mother Africa.

As our friend, of the highest order, George Hoffman said, "Africa is a demanding mistress. Once you have drank from her cup, she is never far from your thoughts." "May all of your campfires bring pleasant memories"

Good Hunting,

Buliwyf

thanks, I hope you figured out from the start that I was just hammering on you Rooger Dudes a little.
I sometimes wish I had kept my first year of production 416, cost me almost $600 from the factory and an article paid that for the early review. I really wish they would get off the schneid and build them in 404 and 500J, and 505 Gibbs. But, with the CZ's in those calibers at $2700, I shudder to think what Ruger would have to retail them for.

Rich
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All of us have sold rifles that upon relection wish we had held onto. A good solider just can't look behind.

BTW, I handled a couple of brand spanking new CZ 550's today and guess what, you got it, they were Purple! I just busted-out laughing when I saw them! I guess CZ is trying to get the colorful thing going-on Ruger did 15 years ago.

Rich,

Congrats on the new rifle...

I've got a set of RCBS dies for the 505 Gibbs for sale. PM me if you're interested...

Matt V.

Bul,

I want you to immediately STOP SPREADING THOSE MALICIOUS RUMORS!!

Rich
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Guys, I was just on the GunsAmerica site. Hendershots is selling a .505 Gibbs with all the bells and whistles with the nicest piece of wood I have ever seen on a CZ. I am not in the market for a Gibbs, but if I were, I would have this one.

Dave

what were they asking?

Rich
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Rich, hopefully I'll have my Montana PH action this spring and I'm very interested in the 550Gibbs. What I'm leading up to here is I,ll be needing a little help as in technical support as this will be my rifle project for "08. R.

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
what were they asking?

Rich
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$2700

I guess it was more than a few years ago, but when I was in Great Northern Guns in Anchorage they had one Ruger 505 Gibbs.

It was rebored by Cliff LaBounty(?), but I don't know if he does that anymore. The price was $2,500, I was broke and sad. Bowen used to do them too, but my guess would be close to $4,000 for the whole ruger set-up. Express sights would probably need tweaking as they already do for the rigby.

WOW! $4000!!! I have a whoppin' $550 in my Ruger RSM converted to 500 A2! That was a rebore as well, and that price includes the Leupold 2.5X scope (bought new).

ScottS - serious question here - regarding your RSM that was rebored to 500A2 - I read on cutrifle.com (Dan Pedersen) that the ruger hammer forged barrels are a bear to rebore, maybe in stainless. They prefer to not tackle those. Badger barrels out of Wisconsin does some reboring of barrels, have not checked.

Here is the question: if a guy has ruger 338 winnie stainless, does anyone know who could rebore to perhaps a 416 taylor (assuming there is enough thickness in the barrel) ?

Thanks
KMule

KMule,

The gentleman who rebored by Ruger told me straight up that he would NOT rebore a Ruger stainless barrel. He told me that the steel Ruger used in their stainless barrels was essentially impossible to bore let alone rifle. So his statements support those of Cut rifle. He told me that the reboring of my, presumably chrome moly steel, Ruger RSM barrel was uneventful (and the results seem to support that statement).

My Ruger was rebored "locally" in Michigan.

Hey Gang:

I went through these mental gymnastics a year ago with my RSM in 375 H&H. The problem with 505 Gibbs is that you have to take too much metal off the bolt face / extractor to handle the 505 rim. Ultimately, I too wanted to keep the RSM look so I decided to go the rebore route rather than the rebarrel route. I finally settled on the 500 Jeffery which gives me a .510 cal cartridge with plenty of power. At this point the whole conversion should be about $1200 which includes rebore, new mag box, floor plate, feed work, stock reinforcements, glass bedding. The Bowen conversion was about $1200. My 500 Jeffery should hold 3 rounds in the mag versus 2 for the 505 Gibbs. The total cost should be less than $2000 for the rifle + work. I really didn't want to go the 500A2 route only because this is a little too hot for my tastes in this light of a rifle ( I dont think the wood in my stock would tolerate 8000 + foot pounds of energy) . I may build my 500 + Mag on the new montana PH action with a heavy duty stock. I will post more info once the rifle gets back into my hands.

Thanks

Brad

Brad,

The Jeffery will smoke an A2 in the energy department. From your post it would appear you got your RSM for $800 that is a pretty darned good deal. Will your rifle now be a dropped or pot belly like a CZ550? By the way, my RSM would feed 500 Jefferys out of the box, the A2 took some work.

Scott:

The rifle will have a small pot belly in order to get the full 3 rounds in it. The smith says he will just extend it down a little so it will work. He needs to make a new wider mag box hence a new floor plate cover.

Thanks

Brad

that is one of the pluses of starting with a P14/17. That belly stock and magazine holds 6 rounds of 30-06 or 303 british, and that translates to 3 Gibbs cartridges. Reference: see my P17 Remington for sale ad in the classifieds. Additionally, the box ends of the stock magazine box can be drilled out and flipped 180 degrees to give about a 3.75" box length.

Rich
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Dirk,

check out the classifieds for a 505 Gibbs Enfield for sale about three weeks ago. I bought that, as well as the CZ550 505 Gibbs here on the classifieds about the same time frame. The CZ is here, came Wednesday afternoon. The enfield will be here middle of next week. Only had one round, a handloaded 650gr RFN GC cast bullet at 2278fps from early testing last summer. You might check the archives under 505 Gibbs topic and read what I had done with an 11.75lb Enfield 505 Gibbs that Jim Wisner built for a friend last summer. These things are not describable, even in comparison to the CZ 416 Rigby I have. A tremendous push, compared to the whip/slam the 416 Rigby hands out. It may sound odd, but I would be just as happy to shoot that 505 load as factory 416 Rigby.

PM me with your Email address, and I'll send you pictures and (hopefully) some data.

regards,

Rich
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