Was looking at either 270gr or 300gr for moose out of my h&h. Also wasn't sure if it would matter between the rnsn and pp. Any thoughts?

I used 260 Nosler actions for my last one. But experience has taught me that moose are not hard to kill. It just takes a bit for them to realize they're dead. Any modern cup and core bullet works for numerous hunter every year.

I debated just using my 270gr speer btsp load I have, but wasn't sure how that bullet would hold up on anything but broadside shots

The PP has a very heavy jacket and anyone who has ever used them says they penetrate more than the Roundnose.

My actual, favorite bullet in my STA is the 275 grain Woodleigh PP, but shortages had me switch to the Aframe.

I have killed 500 pound animals with the 270 grain Hornady spirepoint from the 375 Ruger.

If it were me I would gladly take the 270 or 300 Woodleigh Protected Point. I would not use a cup and core non bonded bullet. That is how I feel about it. I like the 270 grain Woodleigh PP, but the 300 grain PP is not going to limit you.

A non bonded bullet may get the Job done, and will on a perfect shot, but a strongly believe on animals this big and expensive why risk it. You can turn a good shot into a great shot with enough bullet. I did this week, on a 300 pound cow elk. Need to angle that bullet or pull the shot just a little into the shoulder blade and you will be glad you have a heavy constructed bullet.

That is my thoughts on what I would do.

Animals don’t pay attention to what bullet or caliber they get.

I know people killing moose with a 100 grain 243 Winchester factory ammo.

Never said they a problem!

Everything works when everything is perfect.

I know you do not like big bores. I prefer medium bores. However, your 375/404 is a 5k foot pounds cartridge throwing the best/toughest monometal bullets.

The old guy hunting with me this week lost an elk with a 300 WM and 180 grain bullet.

My shot placement was not perfect, but I had enough bullet and cartridge to blow the lungs out the off side. A lessor setup would not make it. The cow was done in 45 yards.

He will have to take the first good not perfect opportunity that comes. Unlike locals there is no passing and hunting all season.

This unit and time of year does not allow close shots. 300 is considered average. Everything helps when you need it.

I would not use a 243, 270, low 7mm or 30 caliber on any elk larger sized game. I certainly would not use a non bonded bullet. That is me for the reasons stated. Guys at the meat processor who kill multiple elk every year was very impressed with my bullet and cartridge performance. Now, that I think about it the first elk I killed was with a non bonded 270 grain, 375 HH. Is hot that one in the neck at 100ish yards.

The entrance wound is large enough to put a fist in. She was pouring blood by the bucket from both sides. That is what I want.

Each to his own. That is my answer and the reasons why.

I have only been on 3 Shiras moose kills. All were one shot kills, 2 were DRT and the 3rd ran about 30 yards before he fell.

Two of the bulls were mine. One had a 40" spread and the other a 50" spread. Both were shot with 180 grain Partitions from my .30 Gibbs.

The 3rd one was a 49" B&C bull that a friend of mine shot with his 7 mm Rem mag back before we had bonded or monometal bullets.

I'm scheduled for a Canadian moose hunt next fall, and I haven't decided if I'm going to use my .300 Weatherby with 180 grain TTSX bullets or my 7 mm RM with 160 grain Accubonds. I think that either one would work just fine.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Everything works when everything is perfect.

I know you do not like big bores. I prefer medium bores. However, your 375/404 is a 5k foot pounds cartridge throwing the best/toughest monometal bullets.

The old guy hunting with me this week lost an elk with a 300 WM and 180 grain bullet.

My shot placement was not perfect, but I had enough bullet and cartridge to blow the lungs out the off side. A lessor setup would not make it. The cow was done in 45 yards.

He will have to take the first good not perfect opportunity that comes. Unlike locals there is no passing and hunting all season.

This unit and time of year does not allow close shots. 300 is considered average. Everything helps when you need it.

I would not use a 243, 270, low 7mm or 30 caliber on any elk larger sized game. I certainly would not use a non bonded bullet. That is me for the reasons stated. Guys at the meat processor who kill multiple elk every year was very impressed with my bullet and cartridge performance. Now, that I think about it the first elk I killed was with a non bonded 270 grain, 375 HH. Is hot that one in the neck at 100ish yards.

The entrance wound is large enough to put a fist in. She was pouring blood by the bucket from both sides. That is what I want.

Each to his own. That is my answer and the reasons why.

I have killed literally hundreds of African game animals, including eland, sable, zebra etc.

With various 270 caliber rifles.

I have used 130, 140 and 150 grain bullet of various makes.

Never had any problems.

Yes and I do not dispute that.

I more your main rifle is a 375/404 firing mono metal bullets at over 5k foot pounds.
I agree a moose can be killed with a 243.

I will not do it. Most of us get 7-14 days for one animal a year. I want more edge. I believe more is better. The folks who cut up as many elk as you have killed other things agree.

I saw it side by side on this trip a 300 WM shot by a guy within more experience than I, and lost elk.

Mine good, but not perfect down in 45 yards.

Each can use what they want.

I would take the 375 and 270 grain PP.

Hyak


I killed several moose while living in AK and was with hunters on some other moose kills. I agree that 270's and lesser cartridges will kill moose but if the only shot you have is a bad angle or a straight away shot you have no shot with this type of cartridge. I killed several bulls with the 375 and 300 SAF. That combination reached the vitals from any angle. I think your Woodleigh 300 PP would be perfect.

Mark

The RN Woodleigh expands larger and does more internal damage,penetrates enough; The PP penetrates bit more and does enough damage; both bullets are as good as any other bullet on the market, and does its job..

Id go with the PP for no particular reason other than mabey you will need a going away shot option. Ive used both on Buffalo and Eland. Keep in mind Moose are dullards and only die when they decide to!

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Originally posted by Hyak55171:
Was looking at either 270gr or 300gr for moose out of my h&h. Also wasn't sure if it would matter between the rnsn and pp. Any thoughts?

I would take a look at the Woodleigh .375 350g Woodleigh Soft Point myself

I've used 270 and 300 grain bullets some on moose and would recommend the 270 weight.

I've used the Woodleigh in my 9.3x 62 and wow! Was I ever impressed.

I killed my moose with a .338” 250 grain a frame.

It gave through penetration on a chest shot.

The bull phlegmatically stood there for over a minute getting it 2 more bullets.

I think either woodleigh will work fine, but don’t expect immediate results with a moose.

Penetration, placement, and energy all work… but the moose doesn’t read the book. Barring CNS hits, it may go a ways.

Thanks guys! I think I'm going to look for some 270gr pp. Just gotta find them in stock somewhere now, hopefully with enough time to build a suitable load

PM me

I might know where some are.

I had a hand in the 350 gr. Woodleigh, 450 gr.416 and 404 with Geoff, Used them on Buffalo, Hippo before he put them on the market as he kindly gave me a lifetime of bullets for my assist..

Im convinced the 350 gr 375 gave the 375 a 40 caliber assist, it killed like my 404 as best I could tell, became my go to bullets both in RN and PP..

Moose are not particularly hard to kill. I have killed several with plain old Hornady 270 gr spire pts. They work just fine.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I had a hand in the 350 gr. Woodleigh, 450 gr.416 and 404 with Geoff, Used them on Buffalo, Hippo before he put them on the market as he kindly gave me a lifetime of bullets for my assist..

Im convinced the 350 gr 375 gave the 375 a 40 caliber assist, it killed like my 404 as best I could tell, became my go to bullets both in RN and PP..

The 350PP did very well for me in an H&H on two cape buffalo and a blue wildebeest in 2017.

I love Woodleighs, but I would pass until they get up and running again, replacement is a very important scenario for load development..

I’m a one load per rifle kind of guy and settled on the 270 grain Barnes TSX for all around use in my 375. They’ve killed every animal I’ve introduced them to thus far.

I have no doubt the 270 gr barnes bullet would be an excellent option in a .375 as is the 286 gr. in my 9.3x62 that is a great Cape Buffalo, Hippo and Eland killer...

I firmly believe that any kind of bullet that does not self-destruct will kill a moose.

Moose do, however, need to be convinced they are dead.

I think that is more a moose thing than a bullet thing.

I'd be more than happy with a Woodleigh.

Of all the moose hunters here in Ontario, very, very few hire an outfitter -if any. There are about 100,000 who make application annually, of which no more than 1/4 to 1/3 get a license - which may be part of a group. Depending on the area (WMU), and whether it's with a group or as an individual, physical conditions can vary immensely.

About 25 to 30 years ago I applied annually for a bull moose tag in the northern regions, and got one for remote areas that saw relatively few huners. Conditions were variable with clear cuts, timber, lakes (small to large), marshes, streams, rivers, hills, valleys, ravines, bogs - all types of conditions and terrain. And with no one there to tell us where to find a moose on license, we were on our own! And at 1000 miles from home is not the time to be totin' a .30-30 Winchester - some marshes, corners of lakes and clear cuts allowed shots past 600 yds!

I went prepared for worst case scenarios, so I took high-powered, medium-bore rifles and never regretted it! And I finally caught up with a good bull and shot it with my .340 Wby. To me, a .375 H&H or Wby just makes good sense. Depending on how you load 'em, a good 250gr to 300gr with a decent BC should be good to 500 yds. With the best of today's powders that's possible.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

You guys are right, Moose are not that hard to kill, but they take a while to realize they are dead. If you don't get them to go down DRT they usually trot off 100 yds or so until they find a muskeg or river to expire in.

The 30-30 and 25-20 has killed a lot of moose in the NWT as used by natives and trappers. I have see it.

A good bullet well place is important for getting a DRT moose. I don't hunt moose any more but my pal, a Yukon resident, uses a 375HH with a woodleigh bullet to knock moose down on the spot. Easier to recover the animals/meat that way.

270 Win 150g Partition?

I'd use a Sierra Game King 250 grain myself. have had phenomenal results with it on elk, Eland and everything else I have shot with it.

Hogbreath, Good to know. I have heard that same thing about the SGK from Canuck hunters who know their stuff. I think it would be a real killer at 200+ where the velocity is down a couple hundred fps. ( NF Expanding like a lot of velocity for best terminal ballistics) Brian

Lots of elk in Idaho get shot by Sierra game kings the locals always show me the toad stool expansion> Ive shot deer, and elk cows with them in my 30-06 and 375 and 338 I think. Very good bullets and cheap..

I recall twice wherein guys claimed bullets exploded on contact with sierra game kings, close inspection showed they were sierra target bullets. Another condemed my hand load on cape buffalo and Kudu, long tracking jobs..showed me one of the boxes I loaded and the fired cases about half a box fired..all fired solids..I told him he had one box of solids for buffalo and one for box of softs PG..The PH didn't pick up on that and inspected them, even after the kudu took two days to find....My hunters only comment was I better pay more attention next time....

Lots of such stories about bullet and caliber failure that ended up shooter error over the years. LOts of game killed with bullets that came apart of drilled thru especiallly back in the 40s and 50s..Today? very seldom..

Having used every iteration of the 270g and 300g RNSN and PP out of both the H&H and Weatherby on Sambar deer and large water buff, these bullets do work rather differently.
The PP in both weights work best at Weatherby velocities and do not over expand as do the RNSN. In my Talkeetna, the 300g RNSN was preferred on buff at H&H velocity of 2610fps, the 270g RNSN was excellent on deer, as were 260g Accubonds in both H&H and Weatherby velocities.

Cheers.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Animals don’t pay attention to what bullet or caliber they get.

I know people killing moose with a 100 grain 243 Winchester factory ammo.

Never said they a problem!

I have shot four Alaska-Yukon moose and one Canada moose. Always used a .338 Win Mag except for the last one in which I used a .375HH with 300 AFs. If I ever shoot another moose, I will used my .338.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I have shot four Alaska-Yukon moose and one Canada moose. Always used a .338 Win Mag except for the last one in which I used a .375HH with 300 AFs. If I ever shoot another moose, I will used my .338.

Your post left a question. Did the 375HH not perform on your last moose, or was there no difference in performance between the 338 Win Mag and the 375HH. Why your statement "If I ever shoot another moose, I will used my .338." ??

okay, why is this a question? it's just a great big deer - big hole in the heart and lungs finishes things out easily - use a hunting bullet, aim true, and it will be slain ethically -

Agree I recommended a 150g Partition out of a 270 earlier lol

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
okay, why is this a question? it's just a great big deer - big hole in the heart and lungs finishes things out easily - use a hunting bullet, aim true, and it will be slain ethically -

In my experience deer hunting I'd say a hunter could make a well aimed, carefully placed shot and if the deer runs off, follow up after and appropriate wait and find the deer dead after a short distance.

On moose, that is not my recommendation. When I pull the trigger, the decision I made is not only that specific bull, but right exactly where he is, right exactly when he is. Time and location of the carcass can matter enormously. For these reasons I choose bigger calibers rather than smaller and I am particular about bullets.

I recently bought the RCBS collet bullet puller and sat down yesterday for a little while to pull bullets out of 375 cases I don't intend to use. The bullet I won't pull is the 270 grain tsx, by far my favorite moose bullet.

On the shelf I have Swifts and Sierras, Woodleigh and different weight Barnes and the only one I want to hunt moose with is the 270 tsx.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
okay, why is this a question? it's just a great big deer - big hole in the heart and lungs finishes things out easily - use a hunting bullet, aim true, and it will be slain ethically -

You missed the point of my question. I wondered why after taking his last moose with a 375HH AAZW said that if he shot another moose he would use his .338. My question was why not keep using the 375HH, did something go wrong with the last moose shot?

Yes agree any standard deer rifle with a hunting bullet should knock over a moose, early hunters here shooting moose knocked them over easy enough with their old 303 SMLE's.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
okay, why is this a question? it's just a great big deer - big hole in the heart and lungs finishes things out easily - use a hunting bullet, aim true, and it will be slain ethically -

In my experience deer hunting I'd say a hunter could make a well aimed, carefully placed shot and if the deer runs off, follow up after and appropriate wait and find the deer dead after a short distance.

On moose, that is not my recommendation. When I pull the trigger, the decision I made is not only that specific bull, but right exactly where he is, right exactly when he is. Time and location of the carcass can matter enormously. For these reasons I choose bigger calibers rather than smaller and I am particular about bullets.

I recently bought the RCBS collet bullet puller and sat down yesterday for a little while to pull bullets out of 375 cases I don't intend to use. The bullet I won't pull is the 270 grain tsx, by far my favorite moose bullet.

On the shelf I have Swifts and Sierras, Woodleigh and different weight Barnes and the only one I want to hunt moose with is the 270 tsx.

Scott, do you mind elaborating on that? There are several who choose the 270 TSX in .375" for hunting Alaska and Africa, including some mentioned by Phil. And I've a long-time friend and correspondent who, after his time in the US Military in Vietnam, settled in Alaska (much like Phil) and killed just about everything huntable there at least twice over. He built many of his own rifles, mostly big magnums - some in .40 and .50 cal- but his favorites were in .375s, including the H&H. Pre 270 TSX days, he said his favorite bullets were in 270gr, and today if still living there (now in Southern USA) it would be the 270 TSX.

I'm nearing the end of a black bear hunt using my .375 H&H, and out of "convenience" it's loaded with the 250gr Sierra GameKing, but I'd have preferred the 250gr TTSX, which finally is available in this area so I plan to purchase some - but not in time for the current hunt that ends this week. I'm not hunting a "trophy", nor wanting one, but the one attending my bait is obviously huge for a black bear. The hunt starts again Sept 1st, so likely the same bear (which is a dominant bruin for the area) is likely to show up again, and I'd prefer the 250gr TTSX at that time.... or would the 270 TSX's on hand have any advantage? So far, I've not killed anything with either, but I did kill a smallish bear a number of years ago using a 350gr TSX from my .458 Win Mag and that bullet never expanded though leaving the muzzle at 2750 fps. Range was 100 yds, bear hit frontally, bullet made exit in front of right hip and that bear went farther than any that were dead already. I'm concerned about the 270 TSX being too tough, even for a 400 + pound bear.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

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Originally posted by eagle27:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
okay, why is this a question? it's just a great big deer - big hole in the heart and lungs finishes things out easily - use a hunting bullet, aim true, and it will be slain ethically -

You missed the point of my question. I wondered why after taking his last moose with a 375HH AAZW said that if he shot another moose he would use his .338. My question was why not keep using the 375HH, did something go wrong with the last moose shot?

Yes agree any standard deer rifle with a hunting bullet should knock over a moose, early hunters here shooting moose knocked them over easy enough with their old 303 SMLE's.

Sorry eagle, and I apologize if you took this as aimed at your post. I was merely asking why the debate for 375 -- it's a freaking GREAT caliber, capable of taking elephants -- a great big deer has no chance, with a well placed shot

There is something about moose that is hard to explain.

I shot one dead from 30 yards, and yet he just stood there without moving and simply looked at me.

9.3x62mm with 285 grain Norma Oryx bonded soft nosed bullet at nearly 2,400 fps.

3,500+ ft.-lbs. of energy.

Did I say he didn't move?

Hell, he didn't even flinch.

But he was dead on his feet.

It took my putting three more bullets into the dead zone before he acted like he'd been the least bit disturbed.

Never budged. Bang, bang, bang, bang!

Finally, he just crumpled, and even then, after walking up on him, I let my guide put in a finisher at muzzle distance. I was done with it.

I have no doubt that a Woodleigh Weldcore, which I have used to good effect on Cape buffalo, will succeed on moose as readily as anything else.

Just don't expect a moose to give a damn until he decides it's time.

Maybe in the case of my moose it was because he was Canadian.

I'm not sure.