Remington Spartan 45-70 Double Rifle

19 April 2005, 07:37

Hog Killer

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Heh Forrest,
even for my, my ~7# handirifle in 45/70 is a nice handful..

if i get bored with my 45/70 spartan, and i honestly believe it wont go to 450 ne (I don't think it's even CLOSE to big enough) I can always get 2# of tungstun and a 45 rcbs reamer (3.25" 45/70)

but i bet 405's at 1800 will be a good warmup!!

jeffe

jeffe,

There will be no need to rechamber to get 405gr/1800fps. I think must folks will be glad to quit @ 1650fps.

Hog Killer

19 April 2005, 07:46

Hog Killer

quote:
Originally posted by new_guy:
What the heck, I want one too. A good scope cost nearly $500 and a great one can cost 2x that!

I'll have it engraved by the Brown Bros., case-colored, restocked in fine Eng. Walnut, rust blued and put a Swarovski in claw mounts on top!

NG,

Go ahead the quarter rib is already groved to take a scope mount. It shows up best in fla3006's second picture.

Hog Killer

It's a $500 double rifle - just have fun with it.

19 April 2005, 16:31

Nitro,

will they be coming in under Rem or Baikal to Oz ?? Maybe we should get a few blokes together........................then there is the cz 550 .505 Gibbs I would love as well

Will this Baikal Double take a load of 46 gr of AR2207 behind the rem 405 gr bullet ??

20 April 2005, 20:23

loboga

Wow, I didn't expect that there was going to be this much interest, I probably could have had one already! I was the one that the one at the SHOT Show was handed to while still in the box and asked, " do you know how to put that together?" I actually had my hands on it before anyone at Remington. It was VERY popular at the show, I really never got near it again while the show was going on, to big a crowd. I guess I should have taken the guy that hand delivered it, up on his offer!

21 April 2005, 05:12

Leopardtrack

What did it feel like?? A shotgun, or more like a double rifle??

21 April 2005, 07:10

Borealis Bob

Davidson's and Zanders list these on their sites, but no stock at either. Read elsewhere that availability is September. Davidson's show MSRP of $559...will be interesting to see what the street price is.

22 April 2005, 07:00

carmelolisciotto

For $550 she looks to be a fun rifle to play with. Although I'm no double fan I do love my 45-70's

If I come across one I'll buy it.

22 April 2005, 18:01

loboga

It felt sort like a short barreled smaller guage shotgun to me, which I think is close to what it is.

23 April 2005, 01:24

458RugerNo1

At that price I'd probably take it home, strip it all down, polish, dehorn and refinish the metal to a better degree and then reblue... Then redo the wood and fit it better. It would be a fun gun for playing around.

23 April 2005, 03:55

retreever

I bought one of those already and it will be a lot of fun...Cheap shooting and mine was 5oo plus 30 tax.. Waiting for it to arrive..

Mike

23 April 2005, 08:46

fla3006

Mike, where did you get it??

24 April 2005, 16:03

p dog shooter

I think the key to mike's statement is "I am wait for it to arrive."

Meaning his dealer took his money and is ordering it when he gets it is any bodys guess.

24 April 2005, 17:45

375 AI

quote:
Originally posted by Borealis Bob:
Davidson's and Zanders list these on their sites, but no stock at either. Read elsewhere that availability is September. Davidson's show MSRP of $559...will be interesting to see what the street price is.

Well, I don't believe it. They, Baikal, have been promising that gun for several years now. The excuses are endless. Perhaps, with Remington involved, it will happen, but I just do not believe it will hit the streets this year.

24 April 2005, 19:41

El Deguello

quote:
Originally posted by 458RugerNo1:
I'd be curious to see/handle one... The pics are hard to tell alot from. It does look a bit "cheap" but then again it could be a fun gun when kept in perspective.

And it is, at $550.00 - for an SXS double rifle! Cheap, indeed! But I understand the barrels are "regulatable", so you can set them for whatever load you want to use, and they are made for a scope to be easily mounted. An advantage for old buzzards like me who can't see anymore! It looks like these SXS's have a rib between the barrels, unlike the O/U's??

24 April 2005, 23:36

packrattusnongratus

I'm interested in this in a big way. I'm thinking of a 540 gr flat point at about 1350 fps. Lots of penetration and a WFN would be the "Super Cut" of meplats. Maybe Jae Bok Young's cup point would be the thing. I think you might just get about three piggies lined up per shot! Packy

06 June 2005, 02:21

Savage99

http://www.baikalinc.ru/eng/prod/rifle/mr221/

06 June 2005, 03:31

jeffeosso

Savage,
l'll take one!! 45/70 please

jeffe

06 June 2005, 05:06

416SW

That page has been on the Baikal site for a long time.
note
"Elegant appearance and small weight owing to the receiver adopted from the small-bore IZH-43 options."

06 June 2005, 19:47

Savage99

quote:
l'll take one!! 45/70 please

I spoke with the owner of a large gunshop here last week about these SXS's. He said that he has been after them for two years and that his jobber does not seem interested!

At some point we will see them and they will find their level. Internet interest is odd. One would think that all that sells is Super 30's.

Too add that this may be a chance for the Russians to rise from the basic stuff. If this SXS rifle were slicked, had ejectors and decent wood it would sell for a lot more and still have little competition.

06 June 2005, 20:38

MacD37

quote:
Originally posted by Hog Killer:
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Heh Forrest,
even for my, my ~7# handirifle in 45/70 is a nice handful..

if i get bored with my 45/70 spartan, and i honestly believe it wont go to 450 ne (I don't think it's even CLOSE to big enough) I can always get 2# of tungstun and a 45 rcbs reamer (3.25" 45/70)

but i bet 405's at 1800 will be a good warmup!!

jeffe

jeffe,

There will be no need to rechamber to get 405gr/1800fps. I think must folks will be glad to quit @ 1650fps.

Hog Killer

I think you are right HOGKILLER! I have an 11 lb Pedersoli double rifle chambered for the 458 RCBS, and I certainly do not want a 7 lb one!

My 458RCBS double is manageable with a 450 gr bullet in front of a load of 64.0 grs of IMR4064, but I don't think I'd like a steady diet of that load in a 7 lb rifle. I have a Ruger No1 that started life as a 45-70, that weighs 8 lbs with a steel Weaver scope, that was re-chambered to 458 RCBS, and it will get your attention when you pull the trigger!

What I'd do with the Rem double is get it regulated with 350 gr factory ammo, and permenantly solder the adjustments closed, and install a permenant ribs full length. OR, rebarrel it to 30-30, and regulate it to factory 170 gr ammo, with the same permenant regulation and ribs.

The grouved quarter rib should be modified to use Werne QD rings and bases. I don't think the .22LR style grouve, will stand up to much recoil with a scope mounted!

Hell it is a $550 rifle, if it falls out of the canoe on a moose hunt, and is lost, your not too bad off replaceing it!

08 June 2005, 00:16

wsj

I've been looking for and asking the local shops about the availability of this rifle since back in January or February when it showed up on the Remington webiste. Nobody can tell me when it might be available, but I'll probably buy one when it is.

Shoot, I even e-mailed EAA last year when their catalog showed they were offering a double rifle (initially chambered in 270 & 30-06 & something else common) to suggest they include 45-70 and maybe some other interesting rimmed cartridges (22 Hornet, 30-30, whatever). And pointed out that it wouldn't necessarily have to be one of the classic English double calibers to be interesting at the price. I could see me having 2 double rifles, one a 45-70 and the other a Hornet for less than the price of a Citori. Why not? -WSJ

08 June 2005, 01:26

jeffeosso

just spoke with remington...

they are nearly finished, first shipment, and waiting to get on a boat from russia...

still standing firm to "mid to end of july"

jeffe

08 June 2005, 17:32

wsj

Cool. I guess I'd better start saving my lunch money and get an order in at the local gum emporium. -WSJ

08 June 2005, 22:07

boom stick

yeahaw! this should be interesting the next couple of years to see what people turn these into and another resurgence of a great round. even at the "saami" specs with a big meplat and a tough bullet this gun will kick ass!

yeahaw!

09 June 2005, 00:18

wsj

Now it'll be race to see who actually get's their gun to the marketplace first - Remington/Spartan with the 45-70 or CZUSA/Huglu with the 28 ga. SxS shotgun. Someone's finally going to make me the owner of a side by side something! -WSJ

09 June 2005, 03:21

boom stick

quote:
Originally posted by packrattusnongratus:
I'm interested in this in a big way. I'm thinking of a 540 gr flat point at about 1350 fps. Lots of penetration and a WFN would be the "Super Cut" of meplats. Maybe Jae Bok Young's cup point would be the thing. I think you might just get about three piggies lined up per shot! Packy

thats what i'm talking about!

09 June 2005, 03:57

Paul H

Me thinks I'll have to get one at that price

Too bad they don't plan on making one in 30-30, that would neat!

I also agree that there is no nead to re-chamber to a stretched 45-70, or one of the low pressure 450 NE rounds. It is a fun gun for NA safari's. Here piggy pigggy piggy

09 June 2005, 15:49

jeffeosso

Paul,
i think i have come full circle on that, too.. I have heavy guns.. wouldn't mind a light double.. and heck, i can always throat the chambers and run barnes X bullets

jeffe

09 June 2005, 16:05

Redhawk1

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
just spoke with remington...

they are nearly finished, first shipment, and waiting to get on a boat from russia...

still standing firm to "mid to end of july"

jeffe

I called Remington also, about 6 months ago and got the same story. Waiting to get on the boat in Russia. Man that must be a slow boat.

09 June 2005, 21:54

boom stick

this is russia we are talking about, they want a bribe for every step of the process, it is the grease for the wheel there. if remchester threw some dough around you would all get em next week

09 June 2005, 22:01

boom stick

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Paul,
i think i have come full circle on that, too.. I have heavy guns.. wouldn't mind a light double.. and heck, i can always throat the chambers and run barnes X bullets

jeffe

love that idea...how fast do you think you can get them to go? 300 or 350 gr.? share your loads when you do

when the boat gets here

09 June 2005, 23:07

Paul H

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
this is russia we are talking about, they want a bribe for every step of the process, it is the grease for the wheel there. if remchester threw some dough around you would all get em next week

Not that there isn't corruption in Russia, but the biggest problem with the post communist countries is that nobody there will make a decision, and thus be responsible for something, hmm, sadly I'm seeing more and more of that here.

Anyhow, if you want to get some paperwork signed, you go and see the guy who you think is supposed to sign it, and find out it is his boss, he can't approve it, and his boss isn't there, or, another department of the government is responsible for that paperwork.

31 January 2007, 11:43

Savage 99

Its still listed on the Website.

Link 45-70

02 February 2007, 00:22

Idaho Sharpshooter

just got off the phone with Remingtons's Media Relations Group in Madison, NC...the double is now quoted as "first quarter of 2008, if we can get anybody at the plant to take some responsibility...". Holdover from Politburo communist days...nobody wants to stick their neck out and approve anything. They cannot delve deep enough into the business to get ANY ONE PERSON! to make management do what needs to be done so the rifles are safe, let alone quality fit and finish to put their name on them. Building Quality Double Rifles Version 1.4 is to bring some of the big dogs over here and show them how manufacturing and making money is done. Doing business there is like peeling an onion...there is always another layer to get thru, and in the end you have nothing.
Remington is determined to get them built right, decent quality, and sell lots of them.

there's always next year...

Rich
DRSS