Well I have been bitten by the .500 Jeffery bug, and I just gotta have one, what is the best way to get ahold of the CZ Custom shop?

I'd only like to hear from people who have been through the process.

Thanks in advance

id go another route besides cz to be honest

thors460,
He doesn't want to hear from you, or me!
But ... there is one sitting in the rack at

www.whittakerguns.com

I made up four dummies of Bertram brass and 2 Barnes TSX and 1 old Barnes RN solid and a GSC FN solid.

It fed three of the dummies very well and ejected just fine. Jambed on the feed with the FN.

I was flabbergasted it worked that well with that rebated rim and a magazine box that has identical inside width and the same ribs as the .375 H&H box.

They use the same box for everything, including .505 Gibbs.

They tweak the rails and feed ramp ... but that 500 Jeffery I saw did not have any shiney-bright polish on the feed ramp.
It had the same matte black finish on the ramp as on the exterior of the gun.

Just polishing the feed ramp and dishing it out a bit more might make it feed that FN.

Sumbuddy please buy it before I do!

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Originally posted by thors460:
Rip if you want a 500 jeff check us out [url=deleted by Moderator[/url] aint nothing wrong with a sales pitch every now and again

That IP is loaded with Trojans etc. If you know the owner you should call them and let them know but DON'T click on the link.

the CZ customshop is FLAWLESS to make the rifle to their chamberspecs, and are 1/3 the cost of the next maker's 500 Jeffe

if you are going to step up, use
www.empirerifles.com george makes more 500 jeffe's than ANYONE, pre-CZ's forray

thars news to me that the site has what you say but I did just call the web designer and it will be sorted out

HogLeg458 ----- I don't know if it is the same one Rip mentions, but I lusted after one at Whittakers last week. "WOW" it was all I could do to leave without it. Good shooting.

Tip Burns in Canyon Lake TX. made a 500 Jeffery for the HSC. And you could always consider this Big Dog from Empire Rifles.

I wouldn't click on the bijoucreek link. My virus checker screamed Trojan virus (McAfee) and windows kept popping up.

I thought you ment my site express rifles If its mike's website thats his problem not mine

Someone needs to delete that expressrifle link from thread.

It's the Express Rifles link than caused the problem for me. If it's your site delete the link and let us know in a new thread when your guy gets it sorted out. Shit happens, at least you know.

Alright thanks guys its down Shoot We havent done anything to it since 07 but sorry about the mess anyways Express Rifles 775-846-8015

While we're waiting, how's about some photos of your work to keep us occupied?

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Originally posted by phurley5:
HogLeg458 ----- I don't know if it is the same one Rip mentions, but I lusted after one at Whittakers last week. "WOW" it was all I could do to leave without it. Good shooting.

phurley5,
That is the only one that has ever been in Whittakers. Still there. I have to go lie down and wait for the urge to go away every time I see it.

FWIW. I prefer the 505 gibbs magnum length ctg in the CZ magnum length action. The Jeffery is a short OAL case, short neck, rebated rim ctg design with those compromise features for a standard length action. Since the CZ is full magnum length you can use the full gibbs. the Gibbs is a no compromise design and looks better (IMHO). It is potentially easier feeding and better looking case with a little extra capacity should you want to go there. CZ has had feeding issue across the baord. You may end up a AHR for a tuneup. So why add to your risk with a ctg that has a reputation for feeding issues. Seems a waste of a big action.

HogLeg458,

I also ordered a .500 Jeffery from CZ's custom shop. I had to send it back twice, once because it needed to be throated properly and again because they could not get it to feed properly. I was more than a little disappointed at the problems. It still would not feed after sending it back a second time. I did like the feel and balance of the CZ, but when you are paying that kind of money for a DG rifle you at least expect it to feed. My rifle might have been an isolated case but it sure put a bad taste in my mouth about the situation. To CZ's credit they did refund my money and I promptly ordered one from American Hunting Rifles. This rifle feeds and shoots great. A decision I don't regret as Wayne built me a sweet rifle.

WLA

After hearing the testimony, I think I will pass on the .500 Jeffery, sure it might have the "NEATO!" appeal, but it just seems like such a pain in the rear to get up to DGR standards.

I think I will do a .450 Rigby instead, I already have an abundance of .458 bullets laying around, and surely it can't be any worse to work with than the .416 Rigby!

HogLeg458,

I have one in 450 Dakota, about the same as the Rigby; but, brass is available from Dakota (made by Jamison). I took mine to Zimbabwe last December and hunted Cape Buffalo with it. It feeds flawlessly, and a 500gr bullet at 2370 did the job very nicely.

Rich
Buff Killer

HogLeg,
You might consider a 404 Jeffery rifle. Hornady making ammo and brass and bullets.

You can load it up you can load it down.

The other reason for getting the 505 Gibbs is to be able to stand on a bench infront of a large crowd and drop a dummy 470 Capstick round from the muzzle all the way through the action!
Impressive to say the least.

That and watching that thing try to jump out of Rich's hand every time he fired it!

I should have mentioned I do have a 505 gibbs from CZ in kansas city and the gun has worked out very well. The ONLY issue was a-square ammo. Feeds ok for me and the 505 in 600 gr loading is a real step up from the 458/500 class gun. When i got mine, it was sitting on the shelf, ready to go, one week later - gun in hand.

Procedure = pay deposit at local gun shop and wait one week.

I own one, great looking rifle, feeds flawlessly. Great balance. I paid $2,700 if I remember correctly.

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Originally posted by eurocentric:
I own one, great looking rifle, feeds flawlessly. Great balance. I paid $2,700 if I remember correctly.

I do too and it shoots and feeds flawlessly as well.

For what it's worth, I disagree with Fourbore. I think the CZ is a poor choice for the .505 Gibbs because it does not have enough bolt diameter to accommodate such a large cartridge. In a CZ the .500 Jeffery is the better choice. If you are going to build a .505, the better choice right now is a Granite Mountain Action or the new Montana Rifle Company PH action if we ever see them.

If you are interested in a CZ, contact Jason Morton (jason@cz-usa.com). He will hook you up. Better yet, just call Wayne at AHR and he will hook you up with something really special.

Dave

Thanks Rusty, for bringing that one up again!!

It was my 550 Gibbs, and I noticed you didn't line up to try any of those 615gr @2550fps loads!

I'm not sure I will ever live that down, but at least I shoot the thing.

Rich
Buff Killer

Both demos were awe inspiring, Rich!

I have been sent two pictures of, I presume, one rifle. Thors460 ask me to post them for him.

thank you sir yes its a 505 gibbs the our company express rifles puts out due to the website beings compromised and thank you fourm members for pointing that out as it will be delt with shortly but any questions feel free to ask thank you

Im Douglas 1/2 of Express rifles we build custom rifles for african and american hunting needs and more photos will be available by email request as soon as I find the jump drive any questions feel free to pm me thank you

You fellas sure know how to make a guy drool all over himself!

I think I could find the room in my gunrack for that rifle...

Rich
Buff Killer

well thank you guys when I find the jump drive you will see gorgeous rifles we are currently working on w military mauser converting it to 375 so it will be a looker

Nice rifles! Looking forward to it.

Regards,

Chuck

Lets just hope a resident troll doesnt take the pictures and claim them as his own

I agree the .500 Rimless whether .500 Jeffery, .500 Schuler Jumbo, 12.5x70 Schuler (.500), or 12.7x70 Schuler(.510) is THE ULTIMATE DGR!!!! More case capacity than any blown out case thus lower operating pressure. Excellent with modern powder and feeds slick and reliable.

The best of the best!!!!!!

I'm sticking with my 505 Gibbs.

Rich
Buff Killer

The .500 Rimless is MOA because of its ability to handle modern powder.

Of course the best "500 Rimless" would be the 500 Mbogo.
Rigby-sized case head with no rebate to the rim.
Case capacity of 150-plus grains of water.
35-degree-and-20-thou-per-side shoulder.
Caliber-length neck.
3.000" max brass length.
3.750" COL.
Fits a Rigby box on a Magnum Mauser, with no special tricks, easy to feed.
Reamer available from Dave Manson.
Deluxe 3-Die set available from Redding.
Brass available from Quality Cartridge, made from Hornady basic.

The 500 Mbogo was created to correct the deficiencies of the 500 Jeffery and 500 Schuler.

500 Mbogo gives up only 10 grains of case capacity versus the 500 Jeffery,
so pressures will be insignificantly higher with the 500 Mbogo versus the 500 Jeffery,
but it will be much easier to get 4-down in the box and feed reliably with the 500 Mbogo.
Lesser bolt thrust at any given pressure too, if case head diameter is considered.
Also, it fits a .700" bolt face without the skeletonization required by the 505 Gibbs.

You can get 2500 fps with 600-grainers using any of the "500 Rimless" above.
However, the 500 Mbogo does it most efficiently, safely, and reliably.

Just my opinion.

Hi Rip, any chance Rigby will make "an honest cartridge" of the two Mbogo's by making 470 and 500 Rigbys? I know it really doesn't matter for most of us who handload ...

Chuck

I have the CZ 550 American Safri 458 Lott. That rifle has given me NO problems. I can't say anything bad about CZ.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
Hi Rip, any chance Rigby will make "an honest cartridge" of the two Mbogo's by making 470 and 500 Rigbys? I know it really doesn't matter for most of us who handload ...
Chuck

The "Dos Mbogos" are honest wildcats already.
I would rather see an honestly improved .416 Rigby.
Just changing the .416 Rigby shoulder to 20 degrees instead of 45 degrees would make it an honestly flawless cartridge, with bigger case capacity to boot.
I would call that the ".416 Rigby Improved Perfectly."