With the arrival of the solid-pilot .375 Ruger finisher-reamer instead of a removable-piloted one, I had to act fast. Hoping Dave Manson will too.

To create the .395 Ruger Max reamer, all I had to do was tell him to make it like so:

1. Same neck diameter and throat as the .395.Tatanka.
2. Same headspace gages as the .375 Ruger.
3. Same overall length as the .375 Ruger.
4. Removable .395 pilot.

It is that simple to totally specify the .395 Ruger Max reamer.

Let us see how long it takes this time.

Sorry Max.

Hmmm, 10mm rifle

Might be a fertile playground. What bullets to you plan on slinging?

RIP!
Sorry to have not answered sooner. I've been in the great state of Wyoming shooting prairie dogs on a friend's ranch. For awhile, the average was one pd for every three minutes. Was going to try for the 1,000 yd club, but the winds were howling over the area. We did get some great shooting with the .17HMR in the coulees and small valleys where we were sheltered from the wind.

Now must get back to work on this world shattering project. Uh, by the way, anyone in the state of Washington found a hat with "Max" on it? Hat blew off in Wyoming.

Hey Max, take a gander at this reamer that is named after you:

Patience! You can use it first!
This will be idiot proof: one dedicated reamer, no separate neck and throater, it will have the oil pumping grooves too, for the advanced gunsmith who pumps cutting oil continuously while cutting a chamber.

Hope you find the MAX HAT, I would be heartbroken if I lost my TATANKA HAT.

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Originally posted by TheBigGuy:
Hmmm, 10mm rifle

Might be a fertile playground. What bullets to you plan on slinging?

Yassuh, 10.03mm bullets needed.
The .395 Trio from GSC and cast lead from Montana Precision Swaging, and Max's resized 10mm pistol bullets when he teaches us how to do it.

Some bullet pics below:

GSC .395 HV 340-grainer second from left in the .395 Ruger Max:
.375, .395, .416, .423, .458 Rugercats

All of the GSC trio are 340-grainers.

L to R:
.39 Brown Whelen: FN
.395 Ruger Max: HV
.395 GSC: SP
.398 Lapua Mag.: FN
.395 Tatanka before fireforming: HV

SP in the .395 Tatanka ".40-07" after fireforming, 4.000" COL:

Four of the formed .395 Tatanka:
cast lead 400-grainer
FN
HV
SP

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Hope you find the MAX HAT, I would be heartbroken if I lost my TATANKA HAT.

I hope this isn't leading up to a "wear the FOX HAT" joke.


RIP, the "Rugercats" pic is great. The .395 and 416/423 versions look great. The 458....not so sure about that 'ghost' shoulder.

The 395 appears to have a different shoulder...is that just an optical illusion?

Cheers,
Canuck

Canuck,
Thanks for noticing. Finally someone with eyes!

These Rugercats are just mockups formed with whatever dies at hand. There is some spherical abberation/distortion by my camera lens (notice the bowed straight edge) and the cartridges are lying flat and I may not have aligned them flush with the ruler edge ... but they were formed and seated with a mix of dies and I may have altered the shoulders some.

Trust me, the .395 Ruger Max will have the same shoulder as the .375 Ruger, and the neck will be lengthened a little by simply necking up.

.375, .395, .416, .423, .458 Rugercats:


Max is working on reloading dies for the .395 Ruger Max.

Neal Shirley is working on the bullet importation, he is the sole US agent for GSC.

The HV and FN will work through the box of a standard action when seated to first driving band. The SP can be seated long and used as a singleshot for 1000-yard pdog shooting with the .395 Ruger Max.

Either the .398 Lapua Mag. or the .395 Ruger Max could be chambered in a CZ 550 Magnum and the long SP bullet would work through the 3.8" magazine box.

The .395 Tatanka will have to be single-shot loaded with the SP but handles the HV and FN through the box.

I suspect you are on to an extremely efficient use of this "new" Ruger brass.

Looking forward to what you find in your resultant loads.

YOWZA!

Thanks for the pic, the fireformed Tatanka is a beauty. I am still sticking with the GSC, because of the nostalgia, but I'm now sorely tempted to have my rifle rechambered to the Tatanka. What the heck?, it won't cost much. No doubt the new IMR 4007 would be a great powder for the Tatanka.

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Originally posted by TheBigGuy:
I suspect you are on to an extremely efficient use of this "new" Ruger brass.

According to AccuLoad3 it is a close horse race between the .395 GSC and the .395 Ruger Max, for thermodynamic efficiency.

They will both be sweethearts.

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Originally posted by John in SC:
YOWZA!

Thanks for the pic, the fireformed Tatanka is a beauty. I am still sticking with the GSC, because of the nostalgia, but I'm now sorely tempted to have my rifle rechambered to the Tatanka. What the heck?, it won't cost much. No doubt the new IMR 4007 would be a great powder for the Tatanka.

John,
You need to start at the top with the .40-07 and work down.

I have been oblivious to IMR 4007 ... searched ... IMR 4007 SSC (super short cut) is between 4064 and 4350 on the burn rate.

Should be good in the .395 Ruger Max or .395 GSC. Too fast for the .40-07 unless we get a lighter bullet than 340-grains.

But I am partial to the Hodgdon Extreme line, first, then the Reloder line, then the IMR's.
Like 'em all.

is it me or does the tatanka look like a scaled version of the legendary highly efficient 8x57???

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Originally posted by boom stick:
is it me or does the tatanka look like a scaled version of the legendary highly efficient 8x57???

Jawohl, but it looks even more like a 10.03x73.66mm Tatanka.

Well I am the proud owner of a 416/375 Ruger and its a dandy I suppose. I am selling the barreled action cuz I shoulda made myself a 404/375 Ruger I guess, maybe, who knows...but I'm gonna do that.

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Originally posted by RIP:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
is it me or does the tatanka look like a scaled version of the legendary highly efficient 8x57???

Jawohl, but it looks even more like a 10.03x73.66mm Tatanka.

round it off...10x74

Boomer,
The "10x74mm Tatanka" headstamp will be for the Euroschnitzel market. ".40-07 Tatanka" is for the USA marketing.

Comparing .323 to .395 bullet scale to case length would mean scaling 8x57 up to 10x69, and that would be exactly the .398 Lapua Mag.:

Scroll up and down to compare to the .395 Tatanka below:


The .395 Tatanka (10x74mm) is then 5 mm longer than the .398 Lapua Mag. (10x69mm).

The 8x57 has a 19 degree shoulder semi-angle and a neck that is about caliber length. The 10x69mm Lapua and 10x74mm Tatanka have a 20-degree shoulder semi-angle, and caliber length neck, so that does make them similar in the neck and shoulder area. However the head diameter is a bit bigger, proportionally, than with the relatively skinnier 8x57. Not much.

The 8x57mm Mauser is indeed a closely proportioned "Mini-Me" to the .398 Lapua Mag.

.398 Lapua Mag. = Dr. Evil
8x57mm Mauser = Mini-me

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Originally posted by RIP:
Boomer,
The "10x74mm Tatanka" headstamp will be for the Euroschnitzel market. ".40-07 Tatanka" is for the USA marketing.

Comparing .323 to .395 bullet scale to case length would mean scaling 8x57 up to 10x69, and that would be exactly the .398 Lapua Mag.:

The .395 Tatanka (10x74mm) is then 5 mm longer than the .398 Lapua Mag. (10x69mm).

The 8x57 has a 19 degree shoulder semi-angle and a neck that is about caliber length. The 10x69 Lapua and 10x74 Tatanka have a 20-degree shoulder semi-angle, and caliber length neck, so that does make them similar in the neck and shoulder area. However the head diameter is a bit bigger, proportionally than the relatively skinny 8x57.

i wuz just eyeballing it...

i know it is all marketing...how do you think roy weatherby became wealthy.

this is an exclusive round "euroschnitzelized" or not.

i was thinking today (yes dangerous and often futile) about the military aplications of this round based on the lapua case...it seems it would be an all purpose sniper round and anti material round able to take out light trucks shooting the engine blocks. it would fill a niche between the 338 lapua and the 50 bmg.

lapua portability and splitting the range and damage of both lapua and bmg.

Much closer to .338 Lapua than to 50 BMG.
The .398 Lapua Mag.: Much better than .408 Chey-Tac, because it will fit in a 10# rifle, and will feed the SP through a standard 3.8" mag box. The .408 Chey-Tac requires a rifle action that one might as well use for the .416 Barrett or a 50 BMG.

Marketing the .395 ... is like the inmates running the asylum.

well you get my drift...
1000 yard sniping and stop a truck at 500 yards with the ability to kill a terrorist through a wall aint bad...

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well you get my drift...
1000 yard sniping and stop a truck at 500 yards with the ability to kill a terrorist through a wall aint bad...

The 70-010 AKA 18mm x 102mm "Super Tatanka" is well suited for this task, has low recoil and is easy to carry too!

RIP can your bullet guy make up some of those pointy solids for the "Super Tatanka" and some flat ones for my #2?

Thats my thought exactly, it looks like an bigger 8x57 IS the 395 Tatanka, so it will be a very fine round for hunting and shooting , since the 8mm is an very fine one for much varied uses.

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Originally posted by Macifej:

RIP can your bullet guy make up some of those pointy solids for the "Super Tatanka" and some flat ones for my #2?

Macifej,
The Seventy-Nought-Ten is just a joke to me, unless you are serious about the "Super-Ta-tanker." She is your baby.

Do you really need precision 2-bore projectiles from GSC? Can't you use any old chunk of lead, brass, copper, or cast iron in that thing?

If you are serious, contact Gerard, then he will ask Gina if she will allow it.

rip...
here is a future project for you...

turn an armalite ar30 from 338 lapua to the tatonka as a prototype for military contracts

get ahold of the r+d department and see if they will do it for you and produce ammo and get a contract with gerard to make bullets...think big

the armalite tatonka! every manufacturer has to have a pet proprietary round. the ar 30 is a heavy bastard able to absorb recoil well

boom stick,
First you must learn to spell "Tatanka."

"Tatonka" is the honkey mispelling.

Pronunciation: Tah-tahn'-kah

Go watch _Dances with Wolves_, and listen to Graham Green's Lakota accented enunciation.

I know, he is a Canadian comedian on the _Red Green Show_ since then, but he got some good Lakota speech coaching from Nelly Two Bulls.

are you not into being an arms dealer

Highjack off.


Hey Max, take a gander at this reamer that is named after you:

O.K. Max is away.
HighJack back on:

Boomer:
I think that the 50 BMG


looks a lot like the .398 Lapua Mag.:

true dat...

rip...you are the spanish inquesition version of a moderator

the scaled down version is a good sell to the military...i am telling you this has wheels...get armalite to manufacture it!

Max is Back. Had to fill in for an instructor up in Denver...on a Saturday!
RIP, the drawing looks excellent. Will send that to Hornady on Monday along with the GSC flat point and hollowpoint bullets so they can get the seater cavities right.
On the .395 cal 200gr XTP HP bullets I sent, I have no idea as to the velocities they are capable of withstanding. Heck, 1800fps may result in comets going down range. On the other hand, they may become my #1 prairie dog bullet!

Max,
PM sent.
I was hoping to get maybe 1500 fps max with the pistol bullets, but even a subsonic plinker at 1100 fps MV would be the cat's meow on squirrels and rabbits and assorted varmints at close range.

Concur on the plinker. It's always nice to have one available just for practice and familiarization with the particular rifle.
Am still searching for .41 cal bullets to size down once the additional sizer gets here from Lee.

Max:
Send me your e-mail address and I will forward the complete reamer print page on the .395 Ruger Max.

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I know, he is a Canadian comedian on the _Red Green Show_ since then, but he got some good Lakota speech coaching from Nelly Two Bulls.

You say it like its a bad thing! Red Green is some quality programming. Time well wasted, as the Comedy Network puts it.

You are also diminishing Graham Greene's other contributions by omission...do not forget his roles in such big-screen flicks as "Maverick" and "The Green Mile", or "Northern Exposure" on the flicker box.

Cheers,
Canuck

ps: this diversion may serve to get your 395 Tatanka some additional air time too...

pps: the spelling "Tatonka" is quite demeaning, actually....makes one think of "Tonka toys", which the 40-07 is certainly not.

Thanks, Canuck. Graham Greene. Yes let us spell it properly, thank you.

He was a New York detective in one of the "Die Hard" movies too. Good guy. I remember _Maverick_ and _Green Mile_ too, and I have every episode of Northern Exposure on old VHS tape.

My favorite episode was when Jesse the bear got buried to the accompaniment of Enya singing "Carribean Blue."

I still get misty just thinking about it. Loved that _Northern Exposure_. It ranks right up there with _The Red Green Show_. Yen and yang. Ah ... duct tape.

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Originally posted by prof242:
Max is Back. Had to fill in for an instructor up in Denver...on a Saturday!
RIP, the drawing looks excellent. Will send that to Hornady on Monday along with the GSC flat point and hollowpoint bullets so they can get the seater cavities right.
On the .395 cal 200gr XTP HP bullets I sent, I have no idea as to the velocities they are capable of withstanding. Heck, 1800fps may result in comets going down range. On the other hand, they may become my #1 prairie dog bullet!

Max,
The bullets arrived yesterday.
They will be put to good use fireforming .395 Tatanka brass while waiting for your .395 Ruger Max to be completed.

To bark squirrels and shoot pigs behind the ear should be a good use for them, while fireforming.

Northern Exposure was a great show, Janine Turner was a hottie. I liked the eccentricities of the characters. They are pretty to life of alot of Alaskans, even if they took the artistic license of filming outside and making the characters too clean