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Its been awhile since ive been on the forums , but I wanted to share my latest purchase . I ended up buying a 460 wby from buds and I added a 5rd dbm to it . Only had the chance to take it to the range once , I put 5rds through it but we was loosing daylight . Now I havnt tried shooting it with the brake off but with it on the recoil isnt that bad . I would say its probably about the same as the browning bps 10 ga I had with the wood stock . At least with the Weatherby the stock doesnt hit me in the cheek haha . Im debating on next year having it rebarreled to a .550 . I dont see a option for uploading pictures or I would post them . Ive been shooting the 450gr tsx factor loads and something ive come to realize is the feeding ramp doesnt like them at all . Thinking about switching to the 500 gr round noses to see if they feed smoother . Ive tried the 450gr tsx with the factory magazine and the 5rd dbm . Feeds a little better with the dbm but still not like it should . | ||
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Bud's in Lexington? Did you get the 5-round DBM from Bud's or somewhere else?  Not one of these 3+1 affairs,eh? 5 down +1 in chamber, like on the tactical rifles? Got a link to the parts for sale? Could come in handy for PAC work, or problem motor vehicle control (PMVC), etc. Has anyone heard that Weatherby is stopping the fancy wood and gloss blue Mark V production? A guy at the local range had just purchased one and said this is last year to get them, from Wyoming.  Rip ... | |||
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I am all for extremes, but will you run into feeding issues with a fatter case and six rounds? I suggest a 510-460 of some flavor like the 500 A2. Love a six shooter DG rig    577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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The custom shop gloss stocks have been off the agenda for a while. The bloke in the custom shop told me the problem is getting the finish on the stock so it is OK for the gloss finish. My knowledge on stocks and painting etc. is around fuck all but I would imagine a gloss finishing would require a better finish on the wood than a dull or satin finish. So if you want to go all out with special select wood etc. you will be steered to the Safari. | |||
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If all else was equal you would normally expect a spitzer to be better than a round nose in a calibre where bullet diameter is not a lot smaller than chamber diameter and you would expect, again all else being equal, a 460/550 to be more trouble with feeding than a 460. Have you compared the lips on that 5 round magazine to a standard 378 based Wby magazine? | |||
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I wanted the weatherby drop box kit but couldnt find one . Yes I ordered rifle through buds and it shipped from their lexington ffl . The 5rd dbm I bought from long range precision , it was expensive imho 350$ or so I think . It uses a wyatt lapua magazine . The wyatt magazine is a bit fatter than the AI lapua mags so they dont require the sides cut out as you see on the AI mags for the 378 based cases . Wyatt sells a 8rd magazine as well I thought of buying just for laughs . Why you would need 8rds of 460 wby I have no idea . Though I ordered my rifle recently it is a older production Mark V deluxe made in California it has the nice gloss blue and high gloss wood . Something im curious about is why the bolt handle is a purplish blue , I suppose its made from a different type of steel as the action and barrel . | |||
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I havnt tried loading 5+1 yet but the 5rd magazine feeds better than the 2rd internal mag . | |||
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To me the lips on the factory magazine are way too tight for the 460 case . You have to use gorilla strength to push them in there . I have a problem with the magazine jamming . The spring from the follower where it slides into the floor plate constantly moves backwards . It will not feed at all when that happens . Pushing the rounds in also causes the follower spring to slide back jamming the rounds . IF the follower spring was pinned into the floorplate it would be a none issue . | |||
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You load 378 based Weatherbys through the bottom. Open the floor plate and simply drop the rounds in. I have had about 15 of the 378 based Mark Vs and never an issue with them with feeding. But I always loaded through the bottom. Apart from the 15 or so I have owned I would have had direct involvement with maybe another 20 of them. Again, all loaded by dropping rounds in from the bottom and never an issue with feeding. | |||
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Probably would make it alot easier lol . It takes 2 thumbs for me to top load them . The feed ramp seems very short and steep the rounds pretty much try to go straight into the ramp instead of up it . You can see alot of copper on the ramp from the tsx grinding into it . I think its the very tip of the bullet where its flat is catching on it . | |||
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I wonder if it would be possible to have a big bore smith open up the ejection port slightly so it could eject live rounds . | |||
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heres the link to the dbm for the 378 based cases https://www.lrplongrangeprecis...0/378-detachable-mag | |||
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378 Based Mark Vs should do that. Well they have for me with 338/378, 416 and 460 and they are the longest loaded rounds on the 378 case. | |||
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Now I’m daydreaming of an 8+1 550 Mag shooter. What a hoot that would be!!! I would settle on a 5+1 like you, but DAMN!  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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https://wyattsoutdoor.com/prod...8-lapua-8-round-mag/ what I like about the wyatt mags is they are not marked caliber specific . They only have a big W on them . I like this particular dbm because the mag release is a button on the side . The 338 lapua I owned the mag release was a long lever that stuck way down . Just noticed John Wayne in your signature , he was a Weatherby man himself from what ive read . | |||
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Mine wont eject the live rounds with the 45-gr tsx , the bullet looks to be maybe 1/8" too long . I dont have a way to exactly measure that however . Ejects fire cases with fury though . | |||
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My Japanese-made Mark V Deluxe 460 Wby circa 1984 had feed lips so tight that I bent them until both of them cracked a small stress reliever into the spring steel. Worked perfectly after that for loading from top or bottom. Those feed lips on the sheet metal box were properly heat treated for springiness, did not take well to bending.  I J-B-Weld a stop into bottom of follower and/or floorplate where the magazine spring seats, if it won't stay put. Your gunsmith may be able to do something more elegant. Purplish color of the high gloss bolt knob is a sign of heat treatment too. Cosmetic. My Ruger RSM .416 Rigby has the entire action a glossy plum color, barrel glossy black. I call her "Ol'Purple." I like the four ring circus you have going on with the scope and Picatinny rail. I have a different rail on my .416 Wby Mark V DGR. The factory, sheet metal feed lips fit the .416 well. The action has a cut on the right side of receiver at the front of ejection port, allowing ejection of a loaded round.  Do you not have same cut on your receiver? Hard to tell from this photo:  The Push-button release on the side of the magazine sure beats that huge lever-type release. Not sure I need one for $350, however. No PAC or PMVC on my schedule right now. If you can close the bolt with 5 down in the box, you have a sixshooter. Rip ... | |||
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Well I originally wanted to steer clear of a rail or anything tactical looking . However I talked back and forth with Leupold on scope options and mounts . They pointed me to their 2.5x ultralight scope it has 5" of eye relief . I didnt intend to use 4 scope rings at first . I bought 2 of the LRW rings and was told that those 2 hole rings wouldnt hold a scope on top of a 460 wby under recoil . Well I went looking at wider ring mounts and the ones I found myself looking at were made by Nightforce iirc . But I really didnt want tactical rings or to spend 200$ for rings . So the idea popped in my head " Wait a minute dont those guys who scope their 500 s&w revolvers mount 4 rings" . Then I went looking into that and seen alot of those guys mount their scopes that way . I figured it was worth a try and it works for me . I prefer the look of the dual dovetails but they were too short for the ultralight scope . My rifle does have the cutout in the ejection port but its too small to eject a live round . I will try to get a picture of it . | |||
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Why stop at 6 I could order the 8rd mag +1 and have a 9 shooter haha . | |||
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  The 450gr tsx is just a tad too long to eject . You can see the copper fouling from the projectile hitting the feed ramp , does this with more so with the factory internal magazine . From what ive read big bore bolt guns usually require some feeding work ? | |||
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Never seen a problem with the 378 based Mark Vs, from 30/378 through to the 460. The action rails are not involved and it does not get simpler or more reliable than centre line feed and push feed and a flat follower. If factory loaded rounds won't eject I would be on the phone to Weatherby. | |||
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Thanks I was trying to look on the Weatherby forums but didnt see if that was normal or not . DO you have any of the Wyoming made Mark Vs ? | |||
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4 rings are good, when you have only 2 ringtop screws in each one. I have several rifles I like to use 4 rings on, been doing it since 1999 with a .500 A2. I could get a third Burris Xtreme Tactical ring on the Mark V setup I showed above, but it already has a dozen ringtop screws with only two rings. The main mounting screws have half-inch nuts torqued to at least 65 inch-pounds with a socket. The Burris Xtreme Tactical rings are a best buy. I do not like the more expensive Nightforce rings as much as the Burris, regardless of price. Is that a fingerprint on the receiver or tool marks? The copper on the feed ramp means the feed ramp needs to be polished. Could all this be pointing to a Mark V action made on Monday morning or Friday afternoon at the Weatherby factory? Some more work needed? Like Mike, I would expect factory loads to eject from a factory rifle, fired or unfired. Rip ... | |||
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its fingerprints haha , another thing I am curious about . When you remove the action screws . Is the action/barrel assembly suppose to be able to be removed from the stock ? Mine doesnt it appears a release agent wasnt used when they did the bedding . So the action/barrel is basically glued into the stock . Didnt know if this was intentional or not . I have been thinking perhaps I got a friday made rifle lol . The factory loads eject great after fired , I think perhaps the ejection port wasnt cut big enough to eject the live rounds however . Does anyone know if the 450gr tsx is longer than the 500gr bullet used in the factory ammo ? | |||
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They can be very tight as they are bedded on the action recoil lug and a barrel lug that is only about an inch down the barrel, on the knox form. However, after a few shots from a 460 it should come apart OK unless there is an alignment issue with the barrel lug. The Mark V 460 seems to be the same for you as/was the 7mm Remington for me. In the past I tried 7mm Remington in different rifles including accuracy based guns but it was like God would let me have one  I even had trouble with dies plus any and everything you could think of. | |||
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I dont regret buying it as ive wanted a Mark V since I was a teenager , im 26 now . I was debating between the Mark V in 460 and the cz 550 in 500 Jeff as they are the same price from buds 2500$ . I just really like the look of the Mark Vs . Besides the whole crf vs push feed wasnt important for what I plan on using it for (hogs) . The rifle has a few quirks but I still enjoy shooting it . If I can find a big bore smith that would be willing to rebarrel it to .550 next year id like to do that . | |||
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The Barnes TSX 450-gr and 500-gr bullets have the same nose projection ahead of the -first cannelure: 0.825" minimum. They can be seated with more nose forward than that, of course. This is longer than any 500-gr round nose or FN that I can think of. Must be so with the one you have. The .458 Lott brass has to be trimmed short (2.775") to allow it to work with the 450-gr TSX within SAAMI specs. Might be that a minor beveling on the inside of your receiver ring cut is all you need to eject the loaded 450-gr TSX. How long is the nose projection of your 500-gr factory load, or can you identify what bullet it is using? Rip ... | |||
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From your point of view irrespective of length of 450 and 500 grain Barnes, if your loads fit the magazine then live rounds should eject. I am really interested to find out what the problem is. Maybe the move to Wyoming has brought changes? As far as I am aware they make the 9 lug action in house and that was before the move to Wyoming. The rifles had had minor changes. Sometimes the recoil lug on the barrel is sort of block like, that is it is about square in section and sometimes it is thinner, like the action recoil lug. Everyone I have seen has been bedded in green stuff. The 460 use to have the Pendleton Dekicker which was integral and not all that effective and then changed to the removable KDF style Accubrake. The 378 when manufacture returned to the US about 1995 got the heavier number 3 barrel of the 416. Also, later stocks were thinner in the forend. I know it was mentioned you might have a Monday or Friday rifle but given the basic design I find that hard to see it being a cause of the problem. Remember, we are not trying to get rounds to feed from a staggered angle and also slip under a CRF extractor and the action is not part of the feeding. | |||
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Or more basic: What are the COLs of the two rounds, one that will eject (500-grain No-Name Factory Load Bullet) and the one that won't eject (450-gr Barnes TSX Factory Loaded)? Rip ... | |||
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I dont have a way to measure the coal at the moment . | |||
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I havnt tried finding when mine was made but it is a California built mark V and has the accubrake . | |||
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Maybe changes with Roy's grandson Adam now running the show while Ed can be at the country club. However, the only differences I think that would potentially make is in the marketing area and such as models etc.As I said above I have had a real to do with 378 based Mark Vs and especially the 378 itself and the 460. You just don't expect functional problems of any sort with these whether feeding issues, cracked stocks or whatever. I think it is fair to say Weatherby has had far more do to with heavy kicking guns than any other gun company. The short answer is …. get onto Weatherby and by phone, not email or fax. They will probably direct you to an appropriate outlet for Weatherby rifles. They are a top company and to this day are regarded in Australia by gun importers as the number one agency to have and for good reason. I have no idea about the magazine setup you have but if the action did not have to be altered and if a standard magazine and floor plate assembly is in the rifle it should eject any life ammo that fits in the magazine. Also, as I said above any rifle/calibre where the bullet diameter is not a lot smaller than chamber entry diameter a spitzer will always have more latitude in the feeding the area. Your next port of call is Weatherby, not forums or Google etc. Good luck but you should not need good luck.  | |||
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As to babying that gun with this ammo, that bullet, and such, I would fix the gun where it would shoot whatever I put through it....I have no use for guns that won't feed or function.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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