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Satterlee and Granite Mountain
15 December 2009, 13:05
TimanSatterlee and Granite Mountain
Now Now Forest, you know what Momma always said?
Gosh I'm so hurt by your oh so tough boy words.
Oh yea. Lazy,stupid, yawn... is that your best?
come on. you can do better.
I'll give you a good 5 for the last effort.
Merry Christmas buddy.
Timan
15 December 2009, 17:08
22WRFI wonder what the price point is for actions such as Mr. Satterlee's or Prechtl or Johannsen, or any of the other high end actions.
By that I mean, at what price point does it become not worth it to purchase one of these high end actions.
Would people still purchase them if they were $4000? $5000?
15 December 2009, 17:59
RIPquote:
Originally posted by Timan:
Now Now Forest, you know what Momma always said?
Gosh I'm so hurt by your oh so tough boy words.
Oh yea. Lazy,stupid, yawn... is that your best?
come on. you can do better.
I'll give you a good 5 for the last effort.
Merry Christmas buddy.
Timan
The screendoor smacked his butt on the way out so he came back for more?
DRG says: "Kiss my liberal grits!"
15 December 2009, 18:08
Traxquote:
Originally posted by 22WRF:
I wonder what the price point is for actions such as Mr. Satterlee's or Prechtl or Johannsen, or any of the other high end actions.
By that I mean, at what price point does it become not worth it to purchase one of these high end actions.
Would people still purchase them if they were $4000? $5000?
Hartmann&Weiss actions were selling for around US$6k in 2005,[with buyers]....like I said previously...there are folks out there that will pay for what they want.
$6K is proportionate, considering an H&W boltrifle was upward of $25K at the time.
Jerry Fisher and Ralf Martini have H&W reciever based rifle[s] on the table.
Ralf has this H&W .416 available:- cad$28300 as is, just add cost of bluing&checkering...
15 December 2009, 19:14
TimanOh look it's the big bad wipster. He gona come ta deadwood ta twim wood. Oh poor wip. He so mad.
He call me bad name. I go cry now.
15 December 2009, 20:00
TimanWe're so offical and serious around here.
offically posted by Timan........................ Such an improtant phrase from such an important,...big rich...good looking man.......OH RipPPPPPPP.
Maybe Rip Van Winkle...........
Whatch out!!!!!!!!!! Rips got a big gun. he likes his big guns ya know. big ole rip and his big gun.................
he's a big man ya know. with his 495 TA-Tonka.
DAAAAAAAhh,,,,, 495 tatonka? fill the void?
Whatever..............
Lets go trim some wood in... in... Deadwood,,, time to make a trip........... hOOOOOOOOOOO almost scary........
whatcha gonna do wip...
big bad wip..gonna come kick some ass wip.. huh wip is that what ya mean by trim some wood.
Rip I think you should make it your lifes work to build and develop cartridges in .0005 increments from .495 to 12. inch. We could have missed and important size here and it's really important to us at the department of defense you do this.
Rip Ya know how much the whole planet is counting you... don't let us down Son. You're our only hope.
and when you're all done please report all your findings.
100 years from now The headlines read Rips lates greatest cartridge design saves the planet from Rouge asteriod.
There's a big picture of him with the Girl.
Which really suprised us all be we just thought he loved only himself. course she was drunk. so go figure.
15 December 2009, 20:18
jsl3170although i have no dog in the fight, may I suggest Timan that you comport yourself like D'Arcy Echols on this site? He doesn't get into pissing matches, he just builds damn fine rifles.
his business acumen seems strong while your's does not. he builds fine rifles. you appear to have a fine action. stick to what you know.
like I said, i have no stake in the outcome of this thread, but most everyone here lives in the business world on some level. aside from your product, this is the consumer's only view of you. if you don't like what RIP or anyone else says that's OK, there's probably room for everyone in the boat. However, your last post could just as easily have been written by an 8th grade schoolgirl rather than a businessman.
15 December 2009, 20:47
CAS IIStu,
Take this for what it's worth. I really wanted to use one of your actions for a 375 project. I called and emailed and never could get a firm commitment on a delivery date.
Then I started hearing about some of your delivery issues.
I decided to go with GMA because I wanted the 375 built this decade (it is at Duane's now, being started shortly).
I have another project in mind that I'd still like to build on one of your actions (I could care less if it takes a few years to build) but this recent behavior and complete unwillingness to answer honestly about delivery times, as well as the seeming inability to deliver certain projects in anything resembling a reasonable time frame while simultaneously delivering on other projects gives me great reason for concern.
At this point, I'd still like to own one of your actions but would only consider it if we agreed to a firm delivery date with penalties for missing that date. I would put whatever money necessary in an escrow account, you would deposit a small amount of money in an escrow account as well. If the action is delivered on or before the agreed to date, you would be paid from escrow and your funds would be returned. If the action was not delivered by the agreed to date, my funds would be returned and the money you deposited would be paid to me as interest (or penalty, however you want to view it).
As an aside, I spoke about this project with more than a half dozen rifle makers, some Guild members, some not. The responses ranged from "Good luck with that" to "Satterlee? Well then we have PLENTY of time to get the other parts together". Not a single builder had anything positive to say about your ability to deliver, though all said the product was superb.
15 December 2009, 21:23
BigFiveJackquote:
Originally posted by 22WRF:
I wonder what the price point is for actions such as Mr. Satterlee's or Prechtl or Johannsen, or any of the other high end actions.
By that I mean, at what price point does it become not worth it to purchase one of these high end actions.
Would people still purchase them if they were $4000? $5000?
It has to do with delivery time! There are a certain amount of people that would pay double
the asking price, to maybe triple, to maybe four times the asking price to be holding an
action in their own hands within 30 days. Building one action straight through takes him
HOW LONG?!? 100 hours, 200, 35??? Building 10, 20 or 100 in a "run", what ever number his
efficiency would kick in to shrink production TIME down measurably has so much potentially
to do with this. You are a supporter of him here. Call him and ask him these straight questions.
ASK HIM FLAT OUT HOW MANY ACTIONS MUST HE MAKE IN A RUN TO CUT PRODUC-
TION TIME DOWN BY A MEASURABLE AMOUNT AT PRESENT PRICES. HOW LONG DOES
IT TAKE TO MAKE 1, 10, 65? If the guy needs 60 hours to make one, and that can't be improved
upon till he's running out 25, how many hours fewer, per unit, does he need? And find out
each incremental time improvement AS MORE ARE PRODUCED IN A RUN. I am convinced this
delivery time hurdle can be corrected IF honest numbers are known. But if all this info
remains cloudy it's almost hopeless for sure. You said earlier if some rich guy ordered 30
actions and paid for them it could salvage this delivery time mess. Well if 30 interested
AVERAGE guys chipped in the same thing would happen. Us average guys would REQUIRE something
to secure our money though, 'cause we can't throw it away and shrug it off. Hence my afore-
mentioned ESCROW ACCOUNT idea which was endorsed by another poster a few posts up. And while
you're on the phone with SS tell him not to waist time posting anything much here at all,
unless it's short and of the same class as his ACTIONS are. If he did that his POSTS would
be contenders for TOP SPOT IN THE WORLD TOO, just like his rifle ACTIONS are now! I AM SURE
that the guys mad at SS over delivery don't want to be mad. If the delivery time thing can
be assuredly fixed I think many of those angry folks might even order again.
I make a motion
that we go toward fixing the problem with our posts, and discontinue the posts that are not
productive, maybe even deleting some the the posts that have been put up.
Jack
OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.}
15 December 2009, 21:27
RIPquote:
Originally posted by Timan:
Oh look it's the big bad wipster. He gona come ta deadwood ta twim wood. Oh poor wip. He so mad.
He call me bad name. I go cry now.
15 December 2009, 21:28
RIPquote:
Originally posted by Timan:
We're so offical and serious around here.
offically posted by Timan........................ Such an improtant phrase from such an important,...big rich...good looking man.......OH RipPPPPPPP.
Maybe Rip Van Winkle...........
Whatch out!!!!!!!!!! Rips got a big gun. he likes his big guns ya know. big ole rip and his big gun.................
he's a big man ya know. with his 495 TA-Tonka.
DAAAAAAAhh,,,,, 495 tatonka? fill the void?
Whatever..............
Lets go trim some wood in... in... Deadwood,,, time to make a trip........... hOOOOOOOOOOO almost scary........
whatcha gonna do wip...
big bad wip..gonna come kick some ass wip.. huh wip is that what ya mean by trim some wood.
Rip I think you should make it your lifes work to build and develop cartridges in .0005 increments from .495 to 12. inch. We could have missed and important size here and it's really important to us at the department of defense you do this.
Rip Ya know how much the whole planet is counting you... don't let us down Son. You're our only hope.
and when you're all done please report all your findings.
100 years from now The headlines read Rips lates greatest cartridge design saves the planet from Rouge asteriod.
There's a big picture of him with the Girl.
Which really suprised us all be we just thought he loved only himself. course she was drunk. so go figure.
15 December 2009, 21:30
RIPThe real Stuart coming through now, as quoted above.
15 December 2009, 21:43
BigFiveJack
Jack
OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.}
15 December 2009, 22:25
dogcatAll of this confirms why I am glad I like to shoot off the shelf rifles.
15 December 2009, 23:32
impingement22WRF;
I would use the word "unprofessional" instead of "stupid".
Professionalism all around is the key to making any endeavor work. I try to promote that type of conduct and I hope I am successful. I encourage everyone else to do the same.
If anyone has a grievance they want to make public, suggestion, or even just a comment, be professional about it. At the worst, it is a positive reflection on your character; at best, it might make matters better.
15 December 2009, 23:47
22WRFImpingement
I have corrected my error. Thank you.
15 December 2009, 23:49
impingementyou are very welcome, thank you for cutting me some slack on another site when I err.
16 December 2009, 01:08
boom stickAnd on the next episode of "As the Bolt Turns"
Will Stuart and Rip bury the hatchet?
What metal IS best?
Was Paul and Wilhelm Mauser Gay?
Stay tuned for the next episode of "As the Bolt Turns"
16 December 2009, 01:10
boom stickI must say this thread has been educational and fun. Nice to see all the "Action figures" here.
16 December 2009, 01:14
impingementWhy, Thank you , it is nice to see you too! What do you think of my new super hero costume?
16 December 2009, 01:18
boom stickquote:
Originally posted by impingement:
Why, Thank you , it is nice to see you too! What do you think of my new super hero costume?
Is that you in the middle?
16 December 2009, 01:21
impingementNice likeness, don't you think? Of course, they didn't have to airbrush out anything since I am perfect!
16 December 2009, 01:23
boom stickOr are you one of these action figures?
16 December 2009, 01:27
impingementReally, Right now I am an inaction figure, helping the wife recouperate from a surgery and chomping at the bit to get back to normal. No "Nurse Barbie" action figure comments needed, I already feel like one!
16 December 2009, 01:39
TimanAhh bummer, no cung fu grip? I wanted cung fu grip!
As the bolt turns. I laughed out loud. that was good.
It's not often that A/R makes me laugh.
I sure did today though.
Timan
16 December 2009, 01:42
impingementWhat type of action figures are those? The uniforms are not like anything I saw when I was young.
I think the only ones we had were G.I. Joe and SGT. Rock ( I think)
16 December 2009, 01:52
boom stickquote:
Originally posted by impingement:
What type of action figures are those? The uniforms are not like anything I saw when I was young.
I think the only ones we had were G.I. Joe and SGT. Rock ( I think)
Thos are classic ones from the sixties. Much better than the all plastic ones of today.
Stuart... I thought this thread needed some levity.
16 December 2009, 01:58
impingementX2
Hope I helped.
16 December 2009, 02:06
impingementquote:
Thos are classic ones from the sixties.
That would explain it, was already playing with guns by 64. I must have overlooked a lot in my youth, went from model airplanes to guns and then discovered girls. Still kind of like the guns and girls, not so much for the model airplanes though.
Thanks for posting the pictures, I had never seen them before.
16 December 2009, 02:10
impingementI erred again, Sgt Rock figures did not come around till the 80's, I must remember them from buying them for my son when he was little.
16 December 2009, 03:22
TraxRiPs talk of
Gestapo like tactics, of goin to Deadwood to clean things up, somehow brought this to mind
MachoMan.
...
16 December 2009, 03:36
Idaho SharpshooterLet's all just sing it now: Y-M-C-A!!!!
Stuart get back to making actions...
Rich
16 December 2009, 07:32
BigFiveJackquote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Stuart get back to making actions...
Rich
I AM IN FOR ONE $3,000.00 ACTION PER SUPERVISED PLAN AS DE-
SCRIBED BY 22WRF; WHO STATES THAT HE IS IN FOR ONE ALSO.
Jack
OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.}
16 December 2009, 07:54
impingementquote:
Let's all just sing it now: Y-M-C-A!!!!
Sorry sharpshooter, I can't sing, can't dance, and I sure as heck ain't no macho man.
You'll just have to make it work without me
16 December 2009, 08:22
RIPAh, Baby Stuey made poopoo mess, needs toys to cheer him up after Momma scolded him for throwing poopoo at the wall just to see if it would stick?
!
Go to:
www.impawards.comYou will find Judge Dredd posters.
Yes, Imp Awards.
Go to YouTube and find the Judge Dredd video
"I AM THE LAW!"
Working from iPhone or I would post them now.
Will do later if boom stick doesn't beat me to it.
16 December 2009, 18:25
buffaloquote:
Originally posted by RIP:
Ah, Baby Stuey made poopoo mess, needs toys to cheer him up after Momma scolded him for throwing poopoo at the wall just to see if it would stick?
16 December 2009, 20:30
Stu Cposting this for Daniel (M 98).
Photo arrived today of Daniel's actions. Not complete, but well on their way.
16 December 2009, 21:26
TimanThese are the toys that I like. Although the action figures are always good for a trip down
memory lane.[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c112/
Timan
16 December 2009, 21:51
TimanOh well, still getting use to windows 7.
Thanks Stu C.
Some super toys. One piece bolts with integral handles, special order bridges, special order foot print width, screws instead of pins special order.
handles redesigned last September all new process for this build specifically.
Glad to be almost done.
Enjoy the photos
Happy holidays to all have and who have not hung in there with me.
I hold no grudges. Life is a gift. enjoy it.
Timan/SS
16 December 2009, 23:00
RIPDaniel-M98's situation is what needs to be fixed, I know nothing about any other Satterlee messes.
And the YouTube video ...