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Looking at a 9,3 x 64 Brenneke rifle and researching a bit on the round it looks like it has pretty much the same velocity and energy as the .375 H&H, based on what I am reading and hearing. Bullet weights off the shelf go to 293 grains and speaking to one or two who shoot and reload the 9,3, they say that there is room to push it a bit faster if you want to.

Anyone hunted with one in Africa at all or North America ?

And before anyone says `buy a .375`, I have a couple already. Just interested in something new perhaps!

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I used a 9.3x64 Brenneke (made by Brenneke to boot) on my hunt in Burkina Faso. Shot a savanna buffalo, roan and a reedbuck with it. Performed very well. I think it gives up nothing to the .375 in terms of performance in the field. I did not do a lot of playing around with the round from a reloading perspective so I am sure with today's powders more performance can be squeezed out of it.

I am pretty sure Forrest Bruch used a 9.3x64 on one of his hunts too, maybe to Burkina. Forrest was so impressed he declared that he was finished with his 9.3x62 and was a full Brenneke convert.

I shoot the 9.3x62 and x74 quite alot. When I was researching the 9.3 years ago I also looked at the x64 and x66(370 Sako) with modern powders and loading both the x62 and x64 to the same pressure levels. The x64 was about 75-125 fps faster. It's shortfall in my book was the logistics of the round. Ammo and Brass were very tough to source and cost 2-3 times what the x62 costs were and you can get X62 brass and ammo very easily

When compared to the 375, The ballistics were almost the same but back to the logistics. 375 is everywhere.

If you are looking for something different the x64 will work well. However I would source a lifetime of brass and a set of dies before I bought or built the rifle.

I get 2500 with a 286 North Fork with my x62. 25” barrel and standard OAL.

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Factory rounds & brass are plentiful in Europe. Not an issue at all.

I can see it being an issue in Africa if the ammunition does not turn up on arrival, then it would need to be plan B the PH rifle ....

Mike, Have you still got the Brenneke 64 ? What year was it ? Must have been a super interesting piece.

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As good or better than a 375 H&H ballistically but the Holand is better choice for the average hunter suppose,,

well, we make 9,3x64 brass by turning off the belt and rim of 375 hh cases, size and trim - so right on the heels, or in it's tracks

DO NOT be confused the with x62, which is a .473 case

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
I get 2500 with a 286 North Fork with my x62. 25” barrel and standard OAL.

Which powder?

Charlie, yes, I still have the Brenneke. I am not sure what year it was made but here are a few pictures of it.

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Mike, What a stunner! Looks as if it is pretty original all around. Between 1951 and 1971, which was when Brenneke (the company) moved out of Berlin. Would have to research the proofs to get the exact date obviously.

Great looking rifle. Personally I would have put a period German scope on it but thats just me, nothing wrong with a modern Leupold!

Thanks for sharing Mike. A super 9,3x64.

And a great looking tiger fish on the wall too!!

Cheers

Charlie

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
I get 2500 with a 286 North Fork with my x62. 25” barrel and standard OAL.

Which powder?

Ramshot Big Game

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Charlie, yes, I still have the Brenneke. I am not sure what year it was made but here are a few pictures of it.

what a beauty.

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Originally posted by delloro:

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
I get 2500 with a 286 North Fork with my x62. 25” barrel and standard OAL.

Which powder?

Ramshot Big Game

very good powder for the 30-06 and 9.3x62 when you can find it.

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
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Factory rounds & brass are plentiful in Europe. Not an issue at all.

I can see it being an issue in Africa if the ammunition does not turn up on arrival, then it would need to be plan B the PH rifle ....

Mike, Have you still got the Brenneke 64 ? What year was it ? Must have been a super interesting piece.

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i remember a time where we had in the camp 9,3x62, 9.3x74r and 9.3x64 left by other hunters just in case someone else will need them ... we had of course 416 rigby, 378 wea mag and 460 wea mag but not that much 375hh. but the ammo in one outfitting doesnt mean it was the same all over but few owner/operators in CAR that dealt with elephants loved the 460 wea mag.

to that day still love my 9,3x62 that is working great on moose, bison and grizzly.

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Originally posted by Charlie64:
... Great looking rifle. Personally I would have put a period German scope on it but thats just me, nothing wrong with a modern Leupold! ...

Yes, a small post-WWII Pecar (also from Berlin), B. Nickel or Zeiss/Hensoldt Diasta would not only look the part but withstand recoil much, much longer. The pre-'90s reticle-movement Austrian Kahles is also very strong but sometimes sacrifices eye relief to FoV. Though the old mounts look pre-war, a scope with lower ones would be easier to engage and harder to knock out of alignment.

Modern Leupolds are quite good to look through but have an articulated erector tube - the achilles heel of all sporting models now - and heavy recoil does it no good.

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I am still amazed about so many people do think the 9,3x64 are the same, or even superior, to the 375 H&H.
If only factory loads are compared, yes, the 9,3x64 ballistics are closer the 375 H&H than the 9,3x62. At least on paper...that's because the the x64 is standarized at greater pressures than the other two, and at 65 cm barrel lenght. But for handloaders, with all other factors the same: pressure, barrel lenght and bullet weight, the x64 falls just in the middle. Cannot be other way because the case capacity is also just in the middle between the x62 and the 375 H&H. I have loaded all. My 375 Winchester 70 pre 64 (1954) 25" barrel, a friend's Original Brenneke Mauser 9,3x64 with 65 cm barrel, and my BRNO ZKK 9,3x62 (1967) 60 cm barrel, at maximum safe loads. The x64 is 100 f/s over the x62 and 100 f/s under the 375!

PH

Well, for hunting, I guarantee you no animal would notice any difference!

All boils down to the type of bullet you use, and where you place it.

Hello Saeed,

Agree 100%!

Best Regards

PH

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PatagonH, I was nener saying it is the same as or better than but rather in my opening post said the 64 is similar and that handloader friends push it that bit more towards the .375. I am not looking at the .64 to replicate the .375 but rather as a new caliber to me and one where ammunition is readily available here in Germany.

And yes Saeed, the right bullet in the right place does it every time and one - like you - probably only needs one rifle for everything. Me on the other hand, I enjoy having, shooting and hunting with various rifles and perhaps too with a .64 in the coming winter months!

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I built one many years ago and have hunted a lot with it. 24" barrel on a VZ24 action.

The loads I settled on are a 250gr bullet at 2775fps with RL15, and 286gr bullet at 2625fps with Accurate PP2000 MR. H4350 worked well with the larger bullets too, but the top loads are pretty compressed.

It went to Africa in 2014 for plains game, and I've shot several deer and two elk with it.

Brass has been the issue. I have some RWS, reformed Hornady .376 Steyr (necks are short, but work fine) a lot of Jamison (now defunct), and a lot of converted 338 Win Mag. If I take it back to Africa, brass will be the problem to get correct headstamps on all of it.

Anyway, it has been a great cartridge to hunt with. Easy to load for and very effective.

Jeremy

Hi Charlie,

I like the 9,3x64!! If the cases were easier to find, I would get one! More so, if I find a nice rifle in 9,3x64, like my friend's Brenneke, perhaps would buy it.
My post was only to show the real differences between the three cartridges.
By the way, I have a few rifles and use them all for my hunts.

Best!

PH

I found a 9.3x64 brass case at a remote landing strip and was intrigued for years . Until Ruger and Hornady developed their 375 Ruger. Which holds more powder than either the 9.3x64 Brenneke or the 375 H&H , and fits in a standard length action

Hello 458Win,

Agree. I like the 375 Ruger. And cartridges and components are becoming more common as time pass.

Im sold on the 375 Ruger...

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Im sold on the 375 Ruger...

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