What do you guys think? I think it's dreamy, it's a 34DD Red head with legs to the sun!

Great looking .585. It has been for sale for quite a while.

to bad its it the wrong damn hand.........if every one were left handed it be much better.

I offered him $1500 and that Blaser 9.3x74R and he told me where to put it. Just joking, he wasn't interested.

If it's still there after this tour in Italy, it's mine!

I am betting it would take $12-13000 to replicate.

Before I'd spend that kind of money, I'd want to be sure it really feeds and that current Horneber brass works in it. I saw one about a year ago at the custom gun show in Vegas that had obvious problems. The guy who was trying to sell it was very very proud of it. 12K minimum.-Rob

What's recoil like? I am guessing it's a big push but probably still 100 pounds. What do you think?

I heard that a 500 Jeffery is about a 100 pounds but more pushy than a 460 Weatherby is.

I have shot a 460 in a Weatherby rifle that had their brake on it. It was nasty but not as nasty as a 378 Weatherby is.

I thought the Weatherbys were kind of bitch smack compared to what I heard about the 500 NE of a push.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Great looking .585. It has been for sale for quite a while.

How much is it?

The ad reads as follows:

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Lars Nelson Custom Mauser .585 Nyati $6,450

24"barrel with integral front sight base, swivel mount, barrel recoil lug, and quarter rib. Hooded front sight. 1 standing and 3 folding platinum-lined express sights. Figured Turkish walnut stock with ebony forend tip, double recoil crossbolts, beaded pancake cheekpiece, mercury recoil reducer and elephant-hide-covered recoil pad. Mauser 98 action with custom drop-box magazine, Timney trigger, checkered bolt knob and Model 70-type safety.

Custom bases for Talley rings. Light scroll engraving on floorplate, triggerguard, PG cap, crossbolts, screws, quarter rib and front sight base.

Weight: 12lbs, 9oz. Built in 2000. New condition.

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Originally posted by D99:
What's recoil like? I am guessing it's a big push but probably still 100 pounds. What do you think?

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I thought the Weatherbys were kind of bitch smack compared to what I heard about the 500 NE of a push.

The .585 nyati is in a whole different class than the .500 NE. Plan on your shoulder moving backwards a full foot each time you pull the trigger. That's a pretty big push, and there is a lot of energy in the push.

Thanks Dan,

I probably shouldn't have posted it. I hope the caliber will keep it safe until I've got the cash to spend on it.

Good luck with it if you buy it.

who is lars nelson? i believe clayton nelson had a son who worked on his single shot action some years ago.is this he? if so what experience does he have making big bores?

I love it I wish I had built one in that style rather than what I did.

Once shot a buffalo with one - 750 gns @2225fps - frontal chest shot at 12 of so yards. Sat down on his backside like a whipped dog and never got up.

Brad

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Originally posted by D99:

I probably shouldn't have posted it. I hope the caliber will keep it safe until I've got the cash to spend on it.

Don't worry, I am not going to buy it unless Mr. H. calls up and offers it to me for $3K. I have another .585 in the process of being (slowly) built, so there is no need for me to pursue it.

Others may, but this rifler requires that the owner have the following qualifications"

1. Be an expert reloader, as the .585 is not easy to load for.

2. Have access to a big bore feeding expert, in case the rifle does not feed properly.

3. Have a sturdy neck and spine for absorbing recoil.

4. Be able to concentrate well in order to touch off rounds accurately without anticipating the recoil.

5. Have good muscle tone because flab squishes and pinches under recoil more than muscle.

6. Have $6500.

500,

I would like to find out more about protecting you neck and spine......................I touched off 24 rounds without the muzzle break the other week from my .585 Nyati as I had never shot it without the break and had not shot it in a while. I reckon my neck still feels stiff wether it's from the lifting weights (which I do 4-5 times a week) or the .585 I am not sure.

My load was a 650 gr woodleigh at 2500 fps or there abouts.

PC,

I must defer to the orthopedic surgeons on this site about protecting your neck. Personally I found that 10 rounds of .585 per day was my realistic limit. One day I fired 24 rounds of 750 grains at 2250 fps and felt so sick that I had to lay in bed the remainder of the day.

However, lifting weights is definitely necessary to minimize the physical effects of shooting big bores. The oft-spoken PH Mr. Sullivan told me that he does a fair amount of upper body work to keep the muscles and ligaments tight for his .600 NE.

500,

thanks for that............I fired more rounds with break on and a past pad and it makes a big difference to recoil.......................but the down side is you need to have ear muffs and it ruins the length of pull.

I feel your right ten or so rounds of .585 with out pads and breaks etc. is plenty. Both my friend and I whom each own a .585 Nyati (built by the same smith) lift weights fairly often and have doen since we where about 15 years old so we have that base covered !!

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Originally posted by 500grains:
PC,

I must defer to the orthopedic surgeons on this site about protecting your neck. Personally I found that 10 rounds of .585 per day was my realistic limit. One day I fired 24 rounds of 750 grains at 2250 fps and felt so sick that I had to lay in bed the remainder of the day.

However, lifting weights is definitely necessary to minimize the physical effects of shooting big bores. The oft-spoken PH Mr. Sullivan told me that he does a fair amount of upper body work to keep the muscles and ligaments tight for his .600 NE.

Youe need to have Panadol dispenser put into the stock on your new .585

500 gns or PC

What's the difference between the recoil of the 585 Nyati, 500 jeffrey and the 458 Lott?

(I am away from home at the moment so have no reference to any of my usual written material.}

The 458 Lott is like a good sharp punch to the shoulder. The 585 nyati is a huge and long bone-jarring, ligament-snapping, vertebrae twisting and brain-sloshing push.

That's a really beautiful rifle, and very fairly priced, I think. I love the shape of the pistol grip!

If you can use a 585 Nyati, this specimen should be just the ticket, and likely the best game playing anywhere!

I do think that it would take at least $12K to replicate that rifle today........

AD

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Originally posted by Brad_Rolston:
Once shot a buffalo with one - 750 gns @2225fps - frontal chest shot at 12 of so yards. Sat down on his backside like a whipped dog and never got up.

Brad

Was that the buff or the shooter that ended up on his ass?

I think this is one of my favorite post of all time.

Tyranasurus rifles are really neat!

The .458 lott is a not in the same leauge as the .585 Nyati, with no break it is a whollop for sure, I imagine similar to wearing a left hook in the shoulder from fast heavy weight boxer while the .458 lott is a much more manageable gun but as we know still boots.

My .585 Nyati ways a bit under 15 pounds and my .458 lott 10 pounds despite the difference the .585 is the recoil winner in my safe.............................my load is the 650 gr woodleigh going at 2500-2600 fps.

The 750 gr around 2150 fps is actually a nicer recoil in my gun at least than the 650 gr loading.

The recoil of the .585 Nyati is really not that bad at all. The .600 OK at full tilt makes it feel like a .22LR IMHO. The 12Ga FH is about twice as bad as that! I can't handle anything more and I can't see anymore either.-Rob

Can a 585 be built on a ''standard length ''98 action ? is that ! a standard length action ? PC ,have you shot any big game with your rifle ? if so ,How was it ?

VD, yes a .585 nyati can be build on a standard M98 action with EXTENSIVE modifications. I shot one elephant and one cape buff with a .585 shooting 750 grain solids at 2250 fps. Both were chest shots. The game expired a bit more quickly than game shot with my .500 NE. However I could not say the difference was significant.

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Originally posted by velodog:
Can a 585 be built on a ''standard length ''98 action ? is that ! a standard length action ? PC ,have you shot any big game with your rifle ? if so ,How was it ?

Velodog I have only shot vermin with it I have not had the chance to yet But I plan to in teh future. On animals that are far smaller than what it is meant for the 650 gr woodleighs when you get a good bit of bone is opens them up like a book it is devastating and they rupture open. I have not seen anything like it, but I imagine the .600 OK would be more of the same !!

Thanks for the info ! i have always wanted a 577 double ! but a 585 bolt is a much cheaper option !i just want something that really flattens big game as my 470 isnt really the ''Flattener'' i thought it would be

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Originally posted by velodog:
Thanks for the info ! i have always wanted a 577 double ! but a 585 bolt is a much cheaper option !i just want something that really flattens big game as my 470 isnt really the ''Flattener'' i thought it would be

a .585 and a .600 OK will give you what you want for sure !!

I have personaly handled this rifle and the pictures do not do it justice.

A word of caution on the .585 NYATI. The current Reamer drawings( jgs, PTG) which stem from Ross seyfried were based on Lathe turned .577NE brass that was used to build the first Nyati. Nearly everyone who has built one since has had major problems due to the neck dimensions being about .005 too small. Dan( 500 grs)- ran into this problem with his and as I remember, I borrowed his neck reamer to fix mine. The fix is either a custon neck reamer or designing a new NYATI reamer. Some gunsmiths have solved the problem with a boring bar and some have ground the neck. I've seen more than one egg shaped chambers that reulted from that approach. Now for a gun that will be used to flatten things at 30 yrds or less, I doubt that the chamber means a great deal other than that it has to feed( maybe more slop is actually a good thing here), just be aware if you build a NYATI expect problems. If you have a Lathe you can turn Horneber brass to fit, but you'll lose 1:3 cases even on a mandrel. The neck brass gets to be about .009 thick and then leaves just enough room for expansion. I would not build one on a M98 and didn't even though I easily could, because I don't have faith in this level of power in an action designed for about 45Kpsi max. A VZ-24 M98 may work but for how long? I've seen way to many M98's with their action locking lugs set back even with rounds generating much less bolt thrust than a .585 NYATI. The CZ550 is a way better starting point. For anyone who really wants to build one of these I have a recipe that flat works and I'm happy to share it. -Rob

Anyone needing a neck reamer to correct their .585 chamber should get a .614" neck reamer from Dave Manson. That is what worked for both Rob and me.

Rob's method for a .614 neck work and that is the data I passed on to my smith for my .585 and my friends and neither of us have had any problems.

Didn't anyone buy the Lars Nelson gun yet?

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Didn't anyone buy the Lars Nelson gun yet

Nice gun, Bad caliber.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
PC,

I must defer to the orthopedic surgeons on this site about protecting your neck. Personally I found that 10 rounds of .585 per day was my realistic limit. One day I fired 24 rounds of 750 grains at 2250 fps and felt so sick that I had to lay in bed the remainder of the day.

However, lifting weights is definitely necessary to minimize the physical effects of shooting big bores. The oft-spoken PH Mr. Sullivan told me that he does a fair amount of upper body work to keep the muscles and ligaments tight for his .600 NE.

I fired 7 rds of .600 OK (900grWW over 160grs of H4350, 2160fps) after shooting 15rds of slightly warmed up .416Rigby .

I had such a headache that night, I thought I was going to die! If blood poured from my ears, I would not have been suprised. It hurt that bad.

George,
I'll trade you a bottle of aleve, a fifth of gentleman jack, and pay shipping for your 600!!!

if I am going for a serious range day, I like to take 2 aleve about an hour before.

jeffe