Ok, so I went to the Hornady website and looked again at the numbers. It is about 50 fps slower than the 416 Rigby load by Hornady.

Interesting.

As I see it the 416 Ruger is long overdue, should have been here a long time ago, and with the short barrels! It is getting close to being very good! I off course put Jeffes 416 AR and my own 416 B&M on top of it! Jeffes 416 AR will out perform it--my 416 B&M will come close to equal, maybe a tad less than--but I can put mine in a 6.5 lb 18 inch barrel! Any of the 3 will do anything you want to do on the planet with a 416 caliber bullet, and be shorter, lighter and more handy than any 416 Remington, or full length cartridge! Remember guys-it is not just the cartridge--it's the package as a whole, including the platform! Jeffe and I both started our work before even the 375 Ruger, much less the 416. To me Ruger has done a great job and working towards perfection with a package deal. Maybe someday someone in factory form can do what Jeffe and I have already done, but they are on the right track for sure. Heh Heh!

Michael

Micheal,
I take the 416 ruger as the "co-development" engineering compliment of a lifetime -- though I passed on doing a 375, as I thought (and think) the 376 steyr is an excellent round, and the 3/8" space is awefully crowded, from pistol bullets to 375xbmg

I'll call you with an interesting story .. its rather dang funny to me.

Now, when people find out that you can do the .458, .476, .500 and .510 in the same platform, that out to really confuse them!

Jeffe

That is an excellent way to look at the 416 Ruger. However, we still have tops on it I think, when the entire package is considered. I too passed on 375-I have nearly zero interest in the caliber. I could not take the B&Ms down to 358 because of the length of the bullets and the magazine length. However I do have a .366 or 9.3 being built as we speak. This should be interesting and give me a small bore rifle to do light work in my B&M series.

I agree, but when they learn that there is .458, .476, .500 and .510 it might be too much at one time to handle?

I am going to be out today--do Sunday things with the girls! But we will try and catch up this week, looking forward to the story.

Michael

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Just to add a counter balance to Buff Killer Rich you can call me Bear Killer Phil and I'll say that I think the Ruger 375 and their new 416 are what the 375 H&H and the 416 Rigby should have been in the first place.

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..,., I think Phil should be Sainted ..Or Knighted , ,, something good anyway ...
Long live the 375 Ruger , Long live the 416 Ruger...

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Originally posted by D99:
Ok, so I went to the Hornady website and looked again at the numbers. It is about 50 fps slower than the 416 Rigby load by Hornady.

Interesting.

From a 20 " barrel

The only problem that I see with the 416 Ruger , is I don,t have one yet !!!!!! Haveing had 4 different 416 cal rifles , and not a Rigby in the bunch I would say I havn,t missed anything not having a Rigby , but am biginning to miss not having a 416 Ruger already ...... I want to see who is the first person to kill an Alaskan Brown bear with a factory 416 Ruger , weather using handloads or factory ammo ...... My 4 wheelers handle bars , and my collar bone [having the rifle slung while going thru the brush ] will sure be enjoying the Rugers 20 " barrel ...... I imagine I will have plenty enough velocity ..

The .416 is one of my favorite calibres -- for everything, impala to buffalo, to WT deer and a turkey, if I remember. I'd always wanted a Rigby, for sentimental purposes, but decided on a .416 Rem. It's accurate and just flat works. What does the .416 Ruger do, that a .416 Rem. or Rigby doesn't?

Not meaning this as a challenge or criticism to anyone, each to his own, but if the difference is a fraction of an inch in case length -- and it can only achieve the same velocities, with the same weight bullets, as well-established cartridges, is it needed?

Now the 20" barrel might be interesting for some applications, but wouldn't be my general all-around choice.

Just my 2 cents

I am sure the 416 Ruger will be a good acrtridge. And I like the Hawkeye - its a handy package but I just worry about what the 20" barrel will do to my ears!

Can't wait for the .416Ruger brass to come out. Should be easy to neck down to .411. Then, rebarrel a Ruger #1 with medium heavy 24 inch barrel and still have a nice compact package. Don't know what it is, I just have a .41 caliber jones.

Gumboot, I have a new 416 Ruger waiting for me to pick it up next time I stop by Chimo guns but since I don't have a spring Brown bear season this year I probably won't be the first to use it on big bears.
In fact I may not even be the first in my family as my daughter has already told me she want to trade me her 375 Ruger for the 416 so she can use it as her backup rifle this season.

.....I was narrowing my search for one today , and accidentally stumbled upon a 450 Watts built by H.B. Anderson in Yakama , Wa. So there goes my 416 Ruger money for this spring any way .......So many guns so little time ...