Posting for Chris Bekker:

Here is another example of a Rhino bullet retrieved from a buffalo. The story is spread in South Africa by a certain group of people, which I shall call the 'Solid Brigade' so I don't have to disclose their identity as yet, that the 380-gr Rhino bullet is lacking in the penetration stakes, as it mushrooms to a too large diameter (braking effect). Normally the 380-gr bullet is loaded to around 2,220 fps, but Rob Duffield loads to only 2,055 fps. With this reduced load the momentum naturally drops, and Rob's report is indeed an interesting one regarding the resultant penetration level as used on buffalo.

Doctari also wrote a very positive report on the 380gr Rhino bullet in one of the American journals, saying it is one of the best. Katte Katzke again uses Rhino's 430 grainer in his 416 Rigby at 2,220 fps. Two things stand out ... relative low velocity and high SD bullets. The point is the momentum is adequate in relation to the expanded frontal diameter (Mo/Xsa). Both loads are proven to be devasting on hundreds of buffalo by PH's all over. Hope this report will lay to rest the unfounded rumour that is being spread.

Chris Bekker

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Duffield
To: Kobus V/D Wesrvhuizen
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: "THE THUNDER OF AFRICA"


Hi Kobus,

I pray that the new year finds you and your family in good health. Just a short note to let you know that the 380gr bullets that I obtained from you last year perform without fault (read perfectly). The attached picture is of a 380gr rhino bullet recovered from a buffalo (picture also attached), shot on the left shoulder and the bullet found just exiting the stomach in the groin area in front of the right back leg. The weight retention was 375gr exactly (98.7%).

Out of all the buffalo shot this last season (7 in total), we only managed to recover this one bullet due mainly to time. Not one of the bullets exited on any of the buffalo shot. The muzzle velocity measured on a chrony at 4 meters of of my 375 was an average of 2,055 fps. Just thought I would let you know that I will use nothing else on buffalo to back up my clients as not one of the buffalo
ran more that 25 meters after the "Rhino" hit them. All my American clients were very impressed with these bullets.

Keep these bullets coming.
God Bless you.
Rob Duffield
Professional Hunter.

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So Alf, are you advocating for or against the Rhinos?

And have you used the Rhino solids?

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Alf

I like your Cap very much

Cheers,

André

Alf,
Buy a buy a donkey for sharing.

Glad I took a .423/380gr North Fork soft point after my first bison. North Forks will do it all.

The bison skeleton is most interesting.
Bison are built for head butting.
Cape buffalo are built for ANYTHING!

With their overlapping heavy ribs, Caffer syncerus is surely the reason that African game has a reputation for being tougher than game anywhere else.

Has anyone noticed since the demise of Kynoch the vacum it has created? One person says the yabadabdoo is great and then another said it almost got me killed and heres the pic to prove it. More bullet companys are spinging up than crab grass. We all have had good,fair,and poor performance from any bullet because they are not perfect, for every situation we put them in.Some solids peen in some situations and some softies dont open as we would like them to. I guess what im trying to say is you cant expect a bullet to preform perfect every time. There will always be a running argument over bullet performance. We must chose the bullet for the intended games bone, and muscle structure. We wouldnt expect a A-Square Dead Tough to expand on a 200 pound deer now would we? So why would we use a very tough soft on something that will not have the target density it was made for?? I think they are all made for what they were intended for not what we wish them to do. Charlie

Charlie,
That is why we have the North Fork FP and CP for anything a soft point is not appropriate for. If a soft point is wanted, the North Fork SP will do it all, from mice to megafauna.

RIP, if what your saying is true, the vacum no longer exists. I still have 250 rounds of K's that have been pulled and refreshed and will hunt for more untill they no longer exist. I would like to see the soft that will open on mice and preform well on Buff. If that is true i will try them on our next hunt. I love to hunt "old George" he is by far the most challenging of the bunch and you never know what he'll do next.Tell me more about these North Forks please. I would like to know of their constuction, and would love to see and hear of their performance. Charlie

Here's the web site for North Fork Bullets

http://www.northforkbullets.com/

Thank you JBabcock i have visited the site and was impressed by the mechanics of the bullet. Has anyone experienced jacket/core seperation? Charlie

Charlie,
Did you click on the bullet cutaway section on the link posted by JBabcock?

Whether in my water buckets or on the heaviest shoulder bones of a bison, I have seen 95% weight retention and perfect mushrooming to almost double diameter. Explosive entry but adequate penetration and quick death.

Even if the bonded nose core were completely lost ... IMPOSSIBLE WITH A NORTH FORK!!! ... then the solid copper shank would still "carry on" quite well.

They are like the old Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, only better. Like a TBBC with grooved shank and better material and quality control than the current TBBC's.

I have to wonder if the delightfully tapered and bored nose cavity is annealed to match the lead ductility in the bonding process, yet leaves the solid shank of the bullet some hardness?

quote:

Explosive entry but adequate penetration and quick death.

How bad/good is the meat damage with Northfork softs?

RIP, yes i viewed the cutaway thats why i asked if anyone has had jacket core seperation. One thing i learned in my time hunting is the imposible usualy happens at the very wrong time. I will order some in .375 and .416 too bad they done't make them in .475. Thnaks for the tip. Charlie

quote:

Originally posted by ErikD:

quote:

Explosive entry but adequate penetration and quick death.

How bad/good is the meat damage with Northfork softs?

ErikD,
If you shoot a bison through the ribs and the North Fork then crosses over the top of the heart and then breaks the humerus and scapula at the off-side shouder, it causes minimal meat damage. But it totally shreds a large path through the lungs, and totally disconnects the heart from any further pumping function.

The bison takes a few staggering steps and falls over ready to be eaten right up to the ragged bullet hole.

However, if one were to shoot an animal in the ham then one would waste some meat.

Let us say that the North Fork would be the best lion bullet possible, and it will always retain about 95% weight on the biggest of cats or cape buffalo.

Some meat loss if shooting into an on-side shoulder would be inevitable, but very acceptable.

Minor meat loss to save all of your bacon everytime.

quote:

Minor meat loss to save all of your bacon everytime.

Thank you Ron. I was thinking of trying the Northforks on the less than leathal moose up here.

The reason I asked was that I have found Trophy Bonded bullets to open up quicker than for example Swift A-frames in the same calibur and same speed (something I noticed to a great degree when I used to use a 300wby). Thus, the TB have left a bit more bloodshot meat in simular situations. However, in 375H&H as I am thinking of trying the Northforks, I would think that due to low speed, it wouldn't be a problem.

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Chris Bekker, a follower/disciple of Dr Mauritz Coetzee states:

"Koos stated that he was a novice and from his three letters we also know he is not a buffalo hunter - clearly he needed some encouragement or was set up to write to Mauritz, challenging his views."

Unlike you, Chris, I do not need to set up anyone to convey my point of view. When I have something to say, I will say it to your face, or to Mauritz' face.

quote:

I continually test a wide range of Rhino bullets and provide Kobus with feedback.

I just got off the phone with Kobus. He tells me that he has met you a couple of times. He thinks you may have assisted another person he asks to test bullets on game, with the evaluation of his new 9.3mm bullet. For the rest he seems to be in the dark about feedback from you. Hmmmmmmm......

Do you reckon that those who insist on fiddling with bullets of greater sectional density, say well over 0.300, are those poor souls who were not breast fed as infants? Sectional density again serves as a FOM here, Figure Of Merit, or Figure Of Mommie?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ALF:
Posting for Mr Bekker:

[QUOTE]


380 grain .375 bullet on buffalo

Koos Geldenhuis, a follower/disciple of Gerard Schultz, wrote a letter to Dr Mauritz Coetzee (17 th Nov 2004), in response to an article that Mauritz wrote for 'Wild & Jag' in which he expressed his severe doubts about sufficient penetration of the 380 grain .375 Rhino bullet.

Koos stated that he was a novice and from his three letters we also know he is not a buffalo hunter - clearly he needed some encouragement or was set up to write to Mauritz, challenging his views.

Nevertheless, he argued his point on the following:

# Expansion happens at the time of impact, and then the
# Expanded diameter of 24 to 25 mm will resist deep penetration

Both points were made based on his own assumptions (not being a buffalo hunter) and then used to confront a buffalo hunter.

That is very different from intelligent questioning to better understand a matter that you are not too sure about yourself.

The only thing that matters to the buffalo hunter is 'what' works.

Once it works, then we can theorize as to why it works so well.

Now to theorize why something should not work, when in fact it has been proven to work very well, is beyond me.

The answer to Koos' question is:

The Rhino Solid Shank bullet, being a thick-walled controlled expansion bullet (CEB) with very sturdy petals, features a set-up rate that is slower than most other Softs.

Loaded to a MV of 2,220 fps, being a moderate velocity, it not only assists in a relative slow expansion of the bullet, but also ensure that it goes through the vitals when the petals are at its widest point to cut a massive wound channel where it counts.

Unlike non-premium Softs, the Rhino bullet does not expand fully on impact within the first 2 inches, lose weight, fragment or shatter.

CEB's were created for this very reason to slow the rate of expansion and so to aid deeper penetration.

Momentum is naturally the other key factor, which I am getting to.

The high momentum of the bullet/load combination (380 gr @ 2,220 fps) has been empirically proven over and over as adequate on buffalo.

In other words, the Mo/Xsa relationship is in balance for buffalo with regard to penetration.

The 380 gr Rhino bullet mushrooms indeed to a large diameter of 24 to 25 mm, and as such the intact petals creates a massive wound channel.

Such wounds cannot seal, and most PH's remark that buffalo is put down much quicker than with a 300 gr bullet that makes a smaller mushroom.

Katte Katzke has remarked that he has never seen such a thick stream of blood spurting out the exit wound of a buffalo on a broadside shot.

Clearly the size of the hole counts and it is visible for the regular buffalo hunter vis-a-vis the occasional buffalo hunter that has not got this framework for comparison.

Dr Mauritz Coetzee (140 buffalo's later), who has been a 'Solid' man for a long time, has changed his views about using Solids on buffalo in favour of CEB's, especially the Rhino CEB.

A bullet should be strong enough, and have adequate momentum, to smash the heaviest of bones and here the high-SD bullet of Rhino comes into its own.

Dies van Coller (PH) on AR (10/30/04) says ... "I have been using Rhino bullets with amazing success in the majority of my firearms. A comment was made about the 380 gr Rhino in cal 375.

This bullet has really made a significant difference to my choice in bullets. For the last two hunting seasons I have used nothing else but the 380 gr Rhino in my 375.

The bullet was used in various situations on Buffalo, White Rhino, Lion and various plains game."

Kobus from Rhino Bullets thickens the petals as we go up in caliber/bore size to withstand the higher concomitant energy on impact that the bullet must deal with.

That brings a situation that a bullet could be made too strong for softer game.

Regarding the expansion problem on soft game, as reported by Alf and others, with big bore bullets intended for tough game, Kobus van der Westhuizen of Rhino has decided some 2 years ago to guide his big-bore bullets (from 9,3 caliber and up), to aid the initial expansion so it can be used on softer/smaller game as well.

Hanke Hudson of VLT decided to test the even stronger constructed 400-gr .416" bullet on Blue Wildebeest, much frailer than buffalo.

He shot the Blue Wildebeest at 80 paces and the muzzle velocity was 2,320 fps.

The bullet penetrated the complete length of the beast.

The bullet retained a mass of 394 grains (98.5%) and mushroomed to 21 mm.

I have attached 2 pictures of the retrieved bullet.

I continually test a wide range of Rhino bullets and provide Kobus with feedback.
Happy hunting.
Chris Bekker






Great photographs. What kind of camera did you use?

Looks like a Barnes Original too me. Charlie

quote:

Originally posted by Gerard:
Chris Bekker, a follower/disciple of Dr Mauritz Coetzee states:

"Koos stated that he was a novice and from his three letters we also know he is not a buffalo hunter - clearly he needed some encouragement or was set up to write to Mauritz, challenging his views."

Unlike you, Chris, I do not need to set up anyone to convey my point of view. When I have something to say, I will say it to your face, or to Mauritz' face.

quote:

I continually test a wide range of Rhino bullets and provide Kobus with feedback.

I just got off the phone with Kobus. He tells me that he has met you a couple of times. He thinks you may have assisted another person he asks to test bullets on game, with the evaluation of his new 9.3mm bullet. For the rest he seems to be in the dark about feedback from you. Hmmmmmmm......

I now know what those "whap, whap, whap" sound effects were in the Bekker posts on the SD thread.

It was merely the sound of Bekker's lips flapping.

When his brain is in neutral gear, his lips continue to flap anyway, hence "whap, whap, whap."

It all makes sense to me now.

Posting for Chris Bekker:

Alf on velocity

Quote: ...... "Each and every model I have consulted says different. Not only that each and every ballistics reference I have and I have physically collected some 40 odd years of data from various sources lay claim to the fact that you cannot substitute projectile mass for velocity. ( well not within the constraints of our current ballistics model)" .... Alf

Quote: ...... Do you reckon that those who insist on fiddling with bullets of greater sectional density, say well over 0.300, are those poor souls who were not breast fed as infants? .... RIP

Alf do I get the impression that you were not breast fed as a baby and so developed a deficiency of some sort? I guess Rip is referring to a mental retardation type of condition? Alf you know full well we should not refer to SD (at leat not on this site) - not even in a disguised way as you have done, because it infers that you have consulted other sources to make you feel better that you are not just a lone voice in the desert.

SD is just a FOM - my contention is that it is a useful FOM, especially when we can make peace with the idea to put more weight behind a given frontal area. Gerard does not like the idea that I say he must cut his bullets in half and get 2 shots out of 1. In fact, I now suggesthe cuts them into quarters, because that way we can shoot much more economically quite apart from losing terminal effect, because velocity will make up the diff.

Chris

Posting for Chris Bekker:

Gerard,



Your latest posting has just confirmed to me how sly and underhanded you can be to phone Kobus of Rhino. Just to show the readers your way of operating I shall quote the 1 st paragraph of an e-mail letter Gregor Woods, of Man Magnum fame, wrote to you ... I trust it will expose your methods:



----- Original Message -----

From: Liz

To: Chris@vouzi-isp.co.za

Cc: gscustom@wol.co.za ; l.moeller@snafu.de ; Chris@vouzi-isp.co.za

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:31 PM

Subject: Velocity and Meat damage



"Dear Gerard

Thank you for the CC of your letter to Lutz M�ller.

Gerard, I mean you no ill will, nor have I at any time criticized your bullets in Magnum, but this must be at least the third or fourth time you have expressed your resentment of something I have written about the relationship between impact velocity and meat damage. I was even told, a couple of years ago as I recall, that you had approached several of your customers (my informant was one of them) urging them to write letters to Magnum challenging something I had written in this regard.I am aware that you advise your customers to load GS bullets to very high velocities, which is your prerogative, though contrary to my own advice in terms of meat damage, but judging by your reactions you seem to think that I voice my opinions solely to sabotage your business. Please understand that I base my opinions on personal experience and on the experience of hunters whose opinions I have come to trust. You surely cannot expect me to write something that a lifetime of experience has convinced me is completely wrong, merely to support your company marketing strategy?"


So you want us to believe that Koos Geldenhuis was not setup to do your dirty work?

Wait for the boomerang!

Chris Bekker

Posting for Chris Bekker:

----- Original Message -----
From: Kobus
To: Chris Bekker
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: Chris and schultz.doc

Re � Mr Chris Bekker's association with Rhino Bullets:

This is the first and only e-mail I will write in connection with the dispute between Messrs. Schultz and Bekker. I have asked Mr. Bekker to please have it published on the AR forum for me, as I had no idea that Mr. Schultz would actually go and publish our conversation on a public forum. I am a bullet maker and do not have the time or inclination to be caught up in disputes. To clarify the position I would like to comment as follows:

1. Mr. Bekker has no link to my company (Rhino Bullets, cc.) financially or otherwise.

2. Mr. Schultz phoned me last night to find out if Mr. Bekker had any links to my company, and I indicated to him that Mr. Bekker had none. Approximately 2 years ago Mr. Schultz asked me the very same question and I gave him the same answer.

3. I indicated that Mr. Bekker was involved in the testing of the newly introduced 9,3/325gr. bullet together with Mr. Peter Olivier. for the 9.3 project of the Reloading Ass. of SA.

4. I have only met Mr. Bekker about 3 or 4 times. I have spoken to him on a number of occasions in the last 3 to 4 years in connection with my bullets. He has also emailed me on numerous occasions on various matters of interest.

5. In the past Mr. Bekker have done a number of tests for me on a number of calibers. The facts are ... He tested:

.243 in 100 gr
7mm in 160 and 170 gr
.308 in 200 gr
.270 in 150 gr
.303 in 215 gr with Pieter Olivier
9.3 in 286 gr and 300 gr
.375 in 300 and 350 gr
404 Jeff in 400 gr with Hubert Saayman

This feedback is combined with tests done by other hunters to develop or improve my bullets. Mr. Bekker worked out a chart to determine the maximum length my bullets can be at a given weight. This chart has been very useful to me when designing new heavy weight bullets. I did not pass all this information on to Mr. Schultz, as I did not see that it had anything to do with him. (He telephoned me to find out if Mr. Bekker has any interest in my company and that was on what I answered him). The fact of the matter is that Mr Bekker is doing this as a hobby and does not earn a cent from RHINO BULLETS.

6. As far as I know Mr. Bekker also writes for a number of hunting magazines and his articles are well respected.

7. I do not know Mr. Schultz�s product very well but what I have seen of it, it looks like a very high quality product and I am sure it will work well for the purpose it was designed for.

Regards
Kobus van der Westhuizen
Rhino Bullets cc

So the "whap, whap, whap" was from a "flap" that Gerard has gotten himself into over something that Bekker wrote?

If we are going to rubberneck at this wreck, it would be gratifying to see the quote of the mischief. If it was presented years ago and over so many threads here, it has gotten lost in my mind. Not hard for me to do.

Posting for Chris Bekker:



Some more tests ...

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RIP,

Herewith some pictures of my latest testing of 9,3 bullets. Pieter Olivier, another staunch 9,3 x 62 mm gun nut, did these test with me. Rhino first brought out the 286 gr Semi Spitzer and the lighter ones, later the 300 gr RN and now in development the 325 grainer RN. The bullets are depicted in the same order from left to right. I am glad to report that the 325 grainer stabilized perfectly, grouped very well, and the retrieved bullets were all found point on in the wetpack.

For antelope hunting I prefer the 286 grainer Semi Spitzer with a higher velocity and flatter trajectory, whilst Pieter likes the 300 grainer. I am sure buffalo hunters would immediately opt for the 325 grainer once they have seen this picture. It forms the most beautiful mushroom with extremely strong petals. Horses for courses. Rip, I cannot remember how long I was breast fed and nor can Pieter, but these high-SD bullets are just pure magic, man! Just look at those numbers how they climb ... up and up we go ...

286 gr .... SD = .305
300 gr .... SD = .320
325 gr .... SD = .347 (the limit)

Let SD be a FOM, but they sure make us excited. If SD is a 'practical joke' as Gerard suggests, and he does not want to cut his bullets in halves, he can then graduate to the next level - make round balls for all calibers, that we can achieve 3 things - the lowest weight per caliber, the lowest SD value possible and the highest muzzle velocity, but dammit you are going to lose your trajectory, as we need a high SD with a good form factor added to achieve good BC's.

Pieter already tested the 300 grainer on buffalo.
The 325 grainer was tested on warthog - it just plows a tunnel through - scary!
The next thing is now to go test the 325 gr on buffalo.
In good time we will have the pics.

Hell, did Gerard walk into a trap with Kobus from Rhino.
Gerard, you look like a real asshole now !
Rip, you almost got excited, hey?
Anyway, one more time ... Whap, whap, whap!

Chris Bekker
"NILS ILLEGITIMAE CARBORUNDUM"

Posting for Chris Bekker:



Hunters,

Herewith a comparison of sectioned views of a .308 200 gr Rhino vs a 9,3 mm 300 gr Rhino bullet. As can be seen on the photo, there is a substantial difference between the two bullet's jackets. The 300 grainer is really a big game bullet. I use the 200 grainer in my 300 H&H with good results on large kudu, gemsbok and wildebeest. The 300 grainer was designed with buffalo in mind. To open up on softer game it is necessary to guide the tip with a punch. Bullets that punch ...

Bullets are still the cheapest item of the hunt!
Chris Bekker

Which will penetrate deeper:

.375 300 grain Rhino soft at 2650 fps
.375 270 grain GS Custom HV at 2800 fps

Assume a frontal shot on a standing cape buffalo.

So I have learned something about Kobus. Pity, I would have thought he would be above that kind of duplicity. In my conversation with him I specifically asked two questions: Is Chris connected to Rhino and, after reading Chris' statement regarding testing for Rhino to him verbatim, whether that was true? Kobus stated that this was not true and I posted in good faith above. He did not think I would "expose" Chris publicly so it was OK to lie. So be it, now I now where I stand with Kobus.

With Gregor Woods you must be aware of the fact that he is a Sd (slow and heavy) fan. This has been the source of some correspondence between us over the last seven or eight years and also the reason why we decline to send Magnum Magazine bullets for testing. They steadily refuse to test them as we ask they should and run their tests at standard speeds and shoot at building material to test bullet integrity.

Regrettably our experience with Magnum Magazine and Gregor has been as follows:

1. In a comparative test between 5 premium bullet manufacturers conducted by Magnum during 1997, GS HP bullets produced the best accuracy and penetration, tied for weight retention with one make, tied for best combination of speed/pressure with another make, was the lowest priced of the bullets tested and gave the least copper fouling. That was what the tabulated test results stated. Gregor's comments were entirely in favour of the bullets with the highest Sd values essentially contradicting the tabulated results.

2. Next Gregor contacted us for 338 bullets to include in a hunting oriented test of the 338 Sabi (338-06). We supplied 180gr HV bullets and Gregor "tested" them in comparison with several 250gr bullets by shooting them into dry glossy magazine packs at 25 metres. I contacted him afterwards and commented that, had I known he was going to hunt blocks of dry magazines at 25 paces, I would have supplied 250gr HP bullets as well. Despite the 180gr HV bullet outperforming all but one other bullet, Gregor's comments were largly negative.

3. During the first half of 2000, an article in Magnum stated that a competitive product was lower in price than ours. Our price was in fact between 25% and 40% less and even though we contacted them and pointed out the error, no correction was ever published.

4. Late in 2002 Gregor did an article on meat damage and commented on the large amount of meat damage caused by high speed and specifically on black wildebeest with HV bullets. The facts of the meat damage were this; the hunter, Wilhelm Marx, was doing an evaluation of HV bullets for the purpose of using the bullets on Buffalo. He used a 450 gr HV bullet at 2800 fps from a 460 Weatherby, delivering 180 lb-f/s momentum and 7836 ft/lb of energy. This is a good choice for a Cape Buffalo or five ton Elephant. On a 500 to 600 kg wildebeest, I would be very worried if meat damage was not substantial. It seems that Gregor has made up his mind about some things.

5. Regarding the e-mail from Gregor containing the comment:

"I was even told, a couple of years ago as I recall, that you had approached several of your customers (my informant was one of them) urging them to write letters to Magnum challenging something I had written in this regard."

Gregor published an article in Magnum July 2001 wherein he recommended against the use of light bullets on larger game. I wrote to him pointing out that lower bullet weights can be used with monometal bullets as weight retention with monos is higher than with jacketed lead bullets. This was met with scepticism by Gregor and I said I would ask customers who have done so to contact him directly. This I did and several of the letters were less than diplomatic. Gregor was clearly not amused.

6. In January 2002 a reader asked if there was a locally produced solid bullet available in .30 and .270. Magnum's reply: "Unfortunately we are not aware of anyone producing solids in .270 calibre. However, a 150gr FMJ in .308 is available from ......." I visited Gregor in 1997 and gave him a list of all our products, including our range of FN solids which include .270 and .30 in several weights. Up to 2003 we kept them updated on new developments and then gave up.

7. In another article on meat damage in 2003, Gregor again mentioned high meat damage with GS bullets. I wrote him and asked whether the bullets were our old HP bullets or the newer HV bullets. I pointed out that HV bullets specifically do not cause as much bruising as standard bullets (including our HPs). This was his reply in part:

"I am afraid I simply do not know whether the GS bullets I hunted with
were HV or not. The springbuck hunt in the Northern Cape was quite a few
years ago – I don’t know if you were even making the HV bullet then. The
GS bullet I used on the fallow deer was loaded by the owner of the .308
rifle that I borrowed and I did not ask what bullet it was."

8. We have provided Magnum with our new phone numbers at least three times, the last time less than two months ago. As late as last week they supplied our old phone numbers to someone who enquired.

9. Since 1993, Koos Barnard has written three articles about our bullets and has reported fairly.

10. In my last correspondence with Gregor he also denied knowing Chris.

500grains,

That should be a 265gr HV at 2900fps if it is a 375H&H

Maybe Alf can do the math for us.

Changed the 336 typo to 338

"Whap, whap, whap" then is the sound of Chris Bekker patting himself on the back as self congratulations for sticking to his personal agenda ... Chris patterns himself after Gregor. Stick to the Old School ... embrace no new concepts ... suck that nipple and hug that security blanket ... worship at the altar of Low V and High SD ... which only makes sense with inferiorly constructed bullets.

Chris and Gregor need to take a leap of faith and join us right thinkers in the 21rst Century.

"Whap, whap, whap" the sound of one hand beating a dead horse ... or some kind of buggery.

Gerard,

I remain in dire need of some .510" 570 gr. FN's. Is there any relief in sight?

Thanks.

500grains,
Gina sent an e-mail.
Regards

Thank you Gerard.

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Alf,
I am just playing the Devil's Advocate here.

The Rhino Bullet Pentagram is the mark of the devil.

I really take a middle of the road philosophy:

Gerard says I should use his 265gr FN or 270gr HV (Did I get those right?) at 2900 fps.

I like 300 gr at 2700 to 2750 fps for my .375 bullets. Saeed seems to do very well with this. How could anyone recommend otherwise???

I can make do with this and need no more: .375 caliber 300 grain bullets of .305 SD at 2740 fps for 5000 ft-lbs ME ... which yields adeguate sized holes, excellent Mo/XSA ... necessarily with rugged bullets, high BC soft and FN monometal solids of course.


Beating another dead horse: WHAP WHAP WHAP

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