I just got an email saying from SSK industries that the 460 Weatherby is too powerful for the Ruger No. 1 and that it is not a viable coversion. Clearly from Saeeds videos the Ruger can handle it. They claim its not safe even if the Ruger is rebarreled...I f#$king fuming with that company Im just going to take my gun to the gunsmith have it rechambered and replace the recoil pad. F$%k it!!!!!!

The same question just got posted on Gary reeder's site. Not sure if this was you as well. The action isn't the problem. It is a problem with the stock splitting. It can be done, but it takes a lot of work to keep it from busting the stocks.

As lfaler said, an issue is the stock.

another issue is that 460 weatherby is a rediculously high presure BIG bore

watch Saeed's videos for what one can expect...

now add a scope to the flying lobotomy...

and see why JD's insurance company woudl say no way.

jeffe

If you want to see a really neat conversion of a ruger no. 1 in a big bore, check out THE BEAST

the beast

I really doubt a .460 Wby will split a properly reinforced and glass bedded Ruger Number 1 stock. I've had no personal dealings with SSK after a single relatively rude phobe call with them years ago. They would probably be close to last on my list of any company I'd consider to do custom gunsmithing. As I've said before, call Dennis Olsen, send him the gun and lots of money. Then wait and wait. In the end youll either be dead or very happy!-Rob

posicrap, go play in the street.

If you cannot make better posts than your last three, ridicullus post of monster cartridges for a #1,and then getting mad at all of the people who tell you it is a bad idea. You are nothing but a

Hog Killer

SSK is rude and opinionated, and pretty high priced to boot, but they do good work on what they work on.

I'd say just get a Ruger #1 458 Lott and play with it for awhile before considering a 460 Wetherby. There is also a stretched version with I believe a 3" case, that is another option, though I don't know where you get brass.

Personally I think a 460 W on a Ruger #1 is kinda retarded. Falling blocks cry out for rimmed rounds, and you if you need more power, skip past the measely 460W and go with a 500 NE

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Originally posted by Positron:
I just got an email saying from SSK industries that the 460 Weatherby is too powerful for the Ruger No. 1 and that it is not a viable coversion. Clearly from Saeeds videos the Ruger can handle it. They claim its not safe even if the Ruger is rebarreled...I f#$king fuming with that company Im just going to take my gun to the gunsmith have it rechambered and replace the recoil pad. F$%k it!!!!!!

Just last week you were rechambering your new TC Encore 416 Rigby to the 416 Weatherby....now you are changing a 458 Win on a Ruger #1 to a 460 Weatherby.....when does school start again?

My question is, why would anyone want a 460WBY in any rifle, much less in a Ruger No1?

I have an idea the reason SSK doesn't want to do it is, with the pressures of the factory ammo, and the probablity of a person who would want such an animal, boosting it higher, with the walls of the chamber getting thin with this cartridge case being much larger in dia in the body of the chamber than the normal belted mag case. I doubt one rifle would be worth the risk to them, and they know it!

Macd37.Why would anybody want a 460?



could it be because of 7500 foot pounds of energy or that the cartridge does its job?..Just a guess from me..steve

Ok maybe Im power mad but Im not stupid Ive got a bachelors degree to prove that Im not. I am just new to the big bore scene. I really don't appreciate the attitude from some of the remarks made from this post and I am sorry if I offended anyone by it. Believe I am done asking for advice or making any posts on this website.

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Originally posted by Positron:
Ok maybe Im power mad but Im not stupid Ive got a bachelors degree to prove that Im not. I am just new to the big bore scene. I really don't appreciate the attitude from some of the remarks made from this post and I am sorry if I offended anyone by it. Believe I am done asking for advice or making any posts on this website.

there are good people on this board. Some with different ideas. All i shoot are weatherbys and I still get good feedback from the people on this board.Stick around ..not everyone likes a weatherby like I do!..steve

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Believe I am done asking for advice or making any posts on this website.

YEAH!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Positron:
Im not stupid Ive got a bachelors degree to prove that Im not. .......Believe I am done asking for advice or making any posts on this website.

Whatever dud. Maybe, with a few more years of schooling, you won't need to refer to the instruction manual to flush a toilet.

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Originally posted by Positron:
Ok maybe Im power mad but Im not stupid Ive got a bachelors degree to prove that Im not. I am just new to the big bore scene. I really don't appreciate the attitude from some of the remarks made from this post and I am sorry if I offended anyone by it. Believe I am done asking for advice or making any posts on this website.

I know lots of stupid people with degrees, and lots of very smart people that didn't go through highschool.

When you come to the single best source of info on big bore rifles, and don't seem to get the results you want, perhaps you need to work on your ability to form questions, or better yet to understand the answers you've recieved.

MAcD: Allow me to cast another dissenting vote on you eschewing the 460 Weatherby as a dangerous game round. It is FANTASTIC. If full power loads are too much, one can always down load, but with modern bullets, NOTHING penetrates like it. But to the subject at hand, I have strong reservations about a dangerous game rifle as a single shot. jorge

This guy's got the same communication style as Charger used to have.

In the title of his post he calls people retarded and then complains about "the attitudes" of other people.

Positron,
please have a look at my webiste to understand what sosme of these folks shoot. You have a pretty good idea of what you would like in a gun. Apparently several folks ahve been this route, or thought better of it...

to even consider a 460 weatherby on a #1, to those that have shot BIG guns on a #1, is too much of a good thing!!



If the experts, including JD Jones, feel this is a bad idea, it might be a VERY bad idea.

but, sometimes a good idea can be wrong

jeffe

Jeffe
Good picture.

However notice how svelte, short and handy the Double Rifle is compared to all that Bolt Rifle Trash.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Jeffe
Good picture.

However notice how svelte, short and handy the Double Rifle is compared to all that Bolt Rifle Trash.

Tony,
I also noticed the short, svelte handy double rifle KICKED THE SNOT out of me... It's Mike Jines... and about 3" too short for me. Which makes it about the same length as my 550 express!

Jeffe
Proper stock length is all important for sure.
PZS I have shot 3 500 doubles that fit me pretty good. They still thumped me pretty good.
Not painful in any way but the did shove me around rather rudely.

Positron
Since you said you are new to the Big Bore Rifle scene I recommend the following.
Get your Ruger No1 in 458 Lott.
A No1 is a fun rifle. The .458 Bore is the best choice for your first big bore as there are so many low priced bullets, and brass is easy to find. You camn load the Lott from plesant to shoot 45/70 velocities to full power 458 Lott.

Shoot a couple of thousands rounds and tell us what you think.

Well that short handy double fit me just fine
and kicked the hell out of me as well. Sort of
like The #1 i had in 458 Lott with the brick Ruger calls a recoil pad. With a Decel pad it was not bad.

Tony, I liked mjine's 500NE. The only thing it needs to go with it is, either a better recoil pad or a bottle of asprin.

Hog Killer

Speaking with JD on the phone, and in person is two entirely different situations.

He'll talk your ear off in person, show you all the toys, video's, special government contracts, etc. A very interesting character, who I've learned a lot from in the time I've spent talking to him.

Calling there asking for specifics will get you generalistic(is that a word?) answers. He's got a line of proprietary cartridges and modifications that it seems everybody wants to do cheaper, easier, etc. - he won't spend the time to tell you how to do it yourself. If you're looking for a recommendation on what to do, or what to buy to send to him for modification, that's another story.

I wouldn't hesitate to have him work on anything of mine - but I wouldn't send anybody there to ask for load data for a 300/221 Fireball(aka 300 Whisper).

Just for a laugh I wish to see the results if he goes through with it!!! Don or Saeed could give him a place of honor in the Champions!

Hell yeah I am going through with it should be done in about a month or so, the gunsmith I took it to said he had to rent a reamer. But he told me that the stock should be fine. And to the dude who said college people are stupid I would like to see you stoichometric equations with unbalancing reactants. But I guess I am just a stupid frat boy.

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Originally posted by Positron:
Hell yeah I am going through with it should be done in about a month or so, the gunsmith I took it to said he had to rent a reamer. But he told me that the stock should be fine. And to the dude who said college people are stupid I would like to see you stoichometric equations with unbalancing reactants. But I guess I am just a stupid frat boy.

When you earned your degree was it based on challenging your professors educational background?
The men who answered you, have a "bachelor degree" in bigbores, earned the hard way. They gave you honest input and you challenged there educational advise. I for one back them fully! Given the opportunity I think Hog Killer would gladly take you behind the woodshed!

Ok not being cocky but if I shoot this gun and it does knock me over or push back like in the videos then what. I am 24 years old and Im in pretty good shape, Im too worried about recoil, and now correct me if I am wrong and I quote(Rob shoots a gun with 200ft.-lbs. of recoil and shrugs it off)If you guys are afraid of recoil well then by all means don't shoot rifles with alot of recoil and power. The Lott or Win Mag are just not what I want. There is no need to get personal I just was a little offended about someone saying I am stupid because I went to college. Iam a Medical Technologist I can't afford to be stupid or I would let alot of people down. Hey if make a video of me shooting this gun can I submit it to this website?

People that can't read a simple sentance are stupid. I said, I know people with college degrees that are stupid, as well as people with not much formal education that are very intelligent.

A college degree only shows that you have the potential to learn a given profession, it doesn't in the least prepare you for that profession. At least that's been my experience after getting a degree in egnineering and having been in the workforce for 14 years.

You have the potential to learn about big bores here.

Someone that has to rent a reamer likely has no clue as to what is required to build a big bore rifle. As the members here know, most gunsmiths have no clue as to what is required to keep a big bore together.

A 460 Whetherby will only nock you over if you don't know how to shoot a big bore. It will move you back. Only dumbasses get knocked on their asses when they shoot a big bore.

Well thats not really true because when I started working at Lehigh Valley Hospital I knew more than alot of people that worked there. Maybe because Penn State is more involved in there Medical Tech program but by my second month there I was running the Hematology Lab with 12 Lab Technicians under me. I know what you mean though.

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Originally posted by Positron:
Ok maybe Im power mad but Im not stupid Ive got a bachelors degree to prove that Im not. I am just new to the big bore scene. I really don't appreciate the attitude from some of the remarks made from this post and I am sorry if I offended anyone by it. Believe I am done asking for advice or making any posts on this website.

Positron, don't get you panties in a wad, nobody is puting you down, for wanting any firearm you want! The 460WBY just happens to be the most hated cartridge in Africa, by PHs, as well as many folks here in the states! That has nothing to do with you getting one! All I was doing was wondering why anyone would want one. If you will curb your ego a little, you will find a lot of real information on this sight.


In any event, don't tuck your tail, and run off the HUNTCHAT, or some other deer hunter's paradise! There is more knowledge, and big bore experience on Accurate Reloading than any other place in cyberspace!

Welcome here, and I meant no disrespect to you personally, or anyone else, and at any rate I still wonder why anyone would want a 460 WBY in any rifle!

As AKA says maybe it is the 7500 fpe that you are looking for, and if that is the case, then that is the reason you want one! I have a feeling, though, once you get it in a Ruger No1, you will wish it had a little less of those FPE. Maybe not!

I won a 460 Wby safari rifle in a football super bowl pool a few years ago, and I never even took it out of the store, just put it on consignment, along with the box of 460 WBY ammo that came with it. This is in a city where there are tons of African hunters, and it took a year to sell it at a $500 discount, and the rifle was new, and unfired!

Come on guy, stay a while, you'll find you like me once you get to know me! You can't blame the rank and file of this web-site for what I post. I have a very dirrect way of writing, and my posts are often taken as angry,or smugg when they are not! This is one of those cases!

I haven't read all the posts in this string, but Nobody, I know of, called you stupid, and a B degree is not proof you are not, but I never thought you were, and still don't! The only person I've seen, in this string, that questioned anyone's mentality was you, with your title..........REMEMBER?

"SSK industries are they RETARDED?"

If you want recoil, drive on over here to Indiana and I beat you with a sledgehammer... If you want to learn to properly shoot large, powerful cartridges, the place to start isn't with the 460 in a #1. MOST people find the 375H&H their upper limit. It was mine for quite some time. I've got the good ol 375 under control now, and I feel that I could move up in recoil. I might, but not anytime soon. I'm going to keep on working with the 375H&H until I'm surgical with it. Youthful piss and vinegar hellbent on recoil is a good way to ruin your shooting ability, permanently. And just because some gun hack can get a #1 to shoot your dream cartridge doesn't mean you're not going to loose body parts shooting it. Wise up, live long, and learn to shoot properly. Lastly, I'm going to bet there's only a very small percentage of people who can shoot the 460 competently, and myself having a bachelor's degree too, I'm guessing you're not in that group

Positron,
This is an HONEST request to help. You speak of PA, so I imagine you are still from there.

Hop on a cheap, well in advance flight to houston, for a day or a weekend.

I'll pick you up either friday night or staturday.

We'll go to the range with my 550 express, loaded with 700gr at 2130, my 500 Jeffe, 535s at 2425 or 2450, and go bang away. We might even talk Forrest into joining with his lott in a #1. The range is about 20 mins drive from the airport.

If you come down, bring/send/buy some factory hornady lott ammo... and some 458wins, factory.

If you can spend the day banging away with these BRUTES you can be very content that you'll have fun with the 460.

if not, you saved a ton of money, as your maker doesn't have that reamer, and I doubt he's built one before.

With the 458 Lott and winmag loads, you will see the difference in the 200fps .. and what another THREE HUNDRED might feel like.

But, honestly, if you are injured by these rifles, I can't be held responsible.

You just can not imagine what 120# of recoil is, if you are staring at it from the position of a 375HH....

jeffe

I recommend my 510 HE in a #1.Case diameter
is in good balance with barrel thread diameter.
And you get 7000 ft lbs at low pressures,
and 10,000 at medium pressures.And is
a rimmed case.Ed.

Posi, you may have a degree and may have made good grades to boot.BFD

It is a good thing you work in a lab, with minimal people contact. Because you are severly lacking in people skills.

Your wanting to jump into big bores with this combo, (and appearantly with no prior exp). Is about equal to some wet behind the ears high schooler being thrown into a masters program. Most likely to be a failure.

Do yourself a big favor, take the advise offered here to go shoot a varity different heavy kickers. Get your GED in big bores first. Then go after what ever your dream project is.

Hog Killer

ps: If you take up jeffeosso's offer to fly down here to do some shooting, I'll bring my Lott to help you in your educational experience.

Look, I will not try to talk you out of doing whatever it is that you want. In fact, more power to you. However, I would suggest that you try to find someone with a Weatherby Mk V in 460 and give that a go first.

The 460 is a handfull, no doubt about it. But, it's not quite as bad as people say...IN A 10 or 11 pound rifle. Man, that thing is going to be off the chain when you put it in a Ruger No. 1.

I have fired many rounds through my 460 with no broken collar bones nor detached retinas. But, my rifle is a Mark V, not a light Ruger No. 1. Again, do as you wish but if you want a ton of power in a Ruger No. 1, give some thought to a 470 NE or a 500 NE. Those are rimmed cartridges and those conversions have been done many times.

In the end, however, to each his own.

Positron
The posters here have given you excellent advise.
Most of them have a DOCTORATE in Big Bore rifles.
I recommend you read my previous post. Get a 458 Lott Ruger No1.

I have owned 2 458's, and a 416 WBY. I have shot a friends 458 No1, and another friends 460 WBY quite a bit.

Try the 458 Lott No1 first, it might save you some money and some detached Retinas.

I really do like the No1's.
I would not hesitate to hunt DG with a No1.


Jeffe, Great offer to Positron... You are a fine fellow.
Positron, It would be money/time well spent.

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
I really doubt a .460 Wby will split a properly reinforced and glass bedded Ruger Number 1 stock. I've had no personal dealings with SSK after a single relatively rude phobe call with them years ago. They would probably be close to last on my list of any company I'd consider to do custom gunsmithing. As I've said before, call Dennis Olsen, send him the gun and lots of money. Then wait and wait. In the end youll either be dead or very happy!-Rob

FYI I've contacted JD several times and received really sound advice on some calibers and barrels for my Encores.

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Well thats not really true because when I started working at Lehigh Valley Hospital I knew more than alot of people that worked there.

I just love it when people say that they are educated and they have a degree.

This dude is a legend in his own mind!