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Thinking about a 404 Jeffery or 9.3x62/64 in a 20" Mannlicher. Anyone have experience with these cartridges? Figure a 416 Ruger might be most efficient? I have a 404 and 458, but nothing in 416 caliber. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | ||
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Am seriously thinking of sending my 23 inch African ruger to Wayne at ahr - cutting barrel to 20 inches and turn into into a sweet left hand mannlicher. Mike | |||
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That's what I start with as well or get the guide gun in SS and Cerakote it. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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  Brno ZKK 602 in 416 Rem mag ! ( top rifle) Bottom is ZKK 602 in original 375 H&H   Though its a shortie its quite heavy and the stock is heavy it shoots well Was built for me By Ginger van Zyl in South Africa | |||
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I had John Farner barrel and chamber a 10.75.68 with a light wt barrel at 21 1/2" I stocked it Mann style and it is my favorite rifle for back-up moose hunting. | |||
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Have built full-stock "Mannlichers" in 375 H&H, 416 Rigby, 404 Jeffery, 500 Jeffery, 500 AHR, and 600 Overkill in both wood and glass stocks. If I could post pics I would, but they are in Photobucket and haven't started a new hosting service yet. Customer just got back from Africa with his 404 and got a nice old Buff. | |||
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Didn't you post a couple photos in the past? I did a search but the photos were held by Photobucket's new hostage service. If possible could you post them and perhaps others you have built again? I'm curious how much velocity loss there would be in the chamberings you listed in say a 20 inch barrel. This is a timely post I just bought a brand new CZ 550 FS in 9.3x62 mm. Just received my scope (Leupold VXR 1.25-4) and rings today and mounted them. So this week it's off to the range. Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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I have a rig just like yours, same scope too. It is amazing how accurate that 21.5"-barreled CZ FS can be, with factory ammo. I was pleasantly surprised first time out, in 2003, sighted it in with 10 shots of factory ammo. Started at 50 yards with a one-hole 3-shot group on paper, then moved to 100 yards. A couple of scope adjustments, then the last three shots, note ammo:  I never trusted Mannlicher-stocked rifles for accuracy before that. Now I think they are pretty neat. Get a load of this conversion of the CZ 9.3x62 FS to .375 Ruger, for Joe at Real Guns by Dennis Olson:   Below are the factory rifles that inspired the above custom .375 Ruger CZ, the Ruger M77 Hawkeye International (.30-06 or whatever) and the CZ 550 Medium FS (9.3x62mm Mauser): http://www.realguns.com/articles/212.htm  Sumbuddy needs to one-up Joe by doing a .416 Ruger. Mine would have to be a .450 Watts Short.  Squirrel season is coming ... GOR Rip . | |||
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A friend has a Sako Mannlicher 375 H and H that is sweet. I think he is preparing to sell it. Its in excellent condition. | |||
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RIP, Thanks for the info. Looks like yours is pretty accurate. Kind of dispels the theory that they can't shoot. Out of curiosity what rings did you use on yours? I bought the CZ mediums mainly because everything else was back ordered on Midway USA. They seem pretty high (almost too high) and are more than enough to clear the bolt handle. I do like the hogback stock that still allows being able to get down on the open sights if needed. This rifle is intended to be my black bear gun. I'm kind of a nut about bears like my avatar shows. This is my first full stock rifle, I've always kind of liked the way they look. I remember some of the rifles that AHR has done and think a bigger bore one may be in my future! Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Cougarz, I make do with the OEM CZ "standard," hunk-of-steel rings, medium height, they may be called, just as you have chosen, I guess. They work. Suits me fine. You will not find anything stronger. Turn them into QD rings by replacing the main mounting screws on the left side with the proper metric socket-head screw. Then carry the metric hex key in your pocket. It is the Quick-Detachable-Quick-Detachable lever. It will not snag brush or clothing while carried in your pants pocket. You can torque those main mounting screws to 65 inch-pounds. Nothing is stronger or more accurate and repeatable. Squirrel season is coming ... GOR Rip . | |||
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577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Cribbed a few low-res pictures from your Photobucket. 375 and 600OK I believe. If you want me to post anything, just email it to me.       ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Joe from Real Guns has been more than one-upped by AHR.  Squirrel season is coming ... GOR Rip . | |||
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Have a 20.5" LH Heym SR20 in 9.3X62 - one of my favorites. Get plenty of velocity with RL15 and Nosler 286s. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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Thanks. The screw replacement idea is a good one. You wouldn't happen to remember the screw dimensions would you? I shot my rifle today with Hornandy 286 gr. interlock & Norma 285 gr. Oryx. It had a definite preference for the Norma ammo though they both shot well. This is my first CZ and I've heard that they can be rough, this one certainly is. Feeding is a bit difficult, the cartridge wants to ram into end of the barrel instead of into the chamber with a less than brisk shove. I need to play with it more to see what's going on. Sad how it's getting more and more difficult to buy a new gun that actually functions out of the box. I want to hopefully take it out and look for a bear but don't yet trust it. I'd been watching a pig of a bear recently defend his favorite huckleberry patch from all comers. It would be great to devirginize a new rifle on him. . Problem now is there's a forest fire two ridges away that wants to head in his direction. Makes hunting a trifle difficult.CH, Thanks for resurrecting the photos! Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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I hope CZ has not started using plastic followers, floorplates, and the C-clip firing pin spring retainer. Mine is all steel and has the double-nut firing pin spring retainer. Those screws: Socket Head Cap Screw Class 12.9 M6-1.00 x 16 That is a metric size: I reckon 6mm major thread diameter, V-threads, 1 thread per millimeter, and 16mm length of threaded portion. That matches the threads on the slotted-head main mounting screws on the CZ OEM rings. Use a 5mm across-the-flats hex/Allen wrench as the QD-QD lever. Those socket head screws are like quarter-inch thick bolts used to hold a carburetor onto an engine block. Solid!  Shown above: Dorman - Autograde Socket Cap Screw-Class 12.9- M6-1.0 x 20mm 20 mm will work too, but runs the risk of bottoming out in the screw hole. Can be cut off. Factory screw length of threads is 16 mm on the CZ OEM rings. Stainless is available too, find them at Lowe's:  Squirrel season is coming ... GOR Rip . | |||
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Thanks! Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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A 9.3x62 needs a 24 inch barrel, especially with 300, 320 gr bullets to be kept African legal..so I would opt for a 9.3x64 in a carbine. however I personally would go with a 24 to 26 inch barrel in either caliber as I would be using it mostly in Africa and at short to medium range..I only had one 9.3x62 carbine, it was a sweet gun, but short on velocity with my favorite bullets the 300 gr. swift and 320 gr. Woodleigh.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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