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Opinions are like apples, they don't fall far from the tree.  What do you look for in a big bore stock? Do you prefer plastic fantastic? Do you like your stocks like you like your ladies? Full figured or trim? Gaudy or understated? Exhibition grade or plain? I like contrast and strength over uber figure. I like svelte and lively I like something I am not afraid of using. I like oil finish I like fine checkering I like an English pattern Not a big fan of a fore end tip I also like a synthetic stock that doubles as a club. This is about as good as it gets for me. Maybe some straighter grain or more zebra like contrast stripes, but this is awesome.  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | ||
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An example of what I don't like http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c...rifle-ive-ever-seen/  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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That is NICE. I like your style. Shoot Safe, Mike NRA Endowment Member | |||
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Thanks for the compliment on my single square bridge, stepped receiver ring, slant box magazine Oberndorf Magnum Mauser Rigby rifle in .350 Rigby Magnum, lovingly restored by Lon Paul. I hope one day to have its twin, in caliber .400/.350 NE, to display beside it. | |||
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My compliments on having such a passion for understated elegant guns of the golden age.  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I like more red than blonde, thick in the butt is fine, moderately tapered on the upper end. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Rigby’s square bridge 375’s made in the 350 pattern are tops. The light contoured, long barreled (25.6”) Oberndorf Type A’s in 9.3x62 and 404 Jeff come in a close second! www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthre...75_by_Dorleac_amp_Do http://forums.nitroexpress.com...age=2&fpart=all&vc=1 Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I think I’d be best served by a stock that fits me. What force or guile could not subdue, Thro' many warlike ages, Is wrought now by a coward few, For hireling traitor's wages. | |||
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I like butch Lambert’s custom enfield with extended top strap. Also the prewar rugby’s for sure. | |||
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My vote would be a stock like pre war Brith guns, just like the HEYM MARTINI EXPRESS. Well balanced and graceful as well as beautiful. | |||
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I like at least a decent length of fore end to hang on to. I can only imagine those skimpy British ones were somehow meant to be analogous with the splinters on doubles. But, since shooters often grab doubles by the barrels, ahead of the wood, such logic becomes BS with magazine rifles. | |||
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Please post examples  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I like the stock that came on my CZ 550 just fine  Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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A low enough comb I can see the sights with my big head I like stock wood like women. If it has good figure I don't care what color. M | |||
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Well, the rifle picture you posted at the top of this thread has the kind of stock I was referring to; looks great but I just can't work out the point of the short fore end. It might cut weight or improve balance but so would a slightly shorter barrel than those old rifles tended to have. Can you explain it for me? | |||
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Just love the blance of those short foreended rifles like on Cogswell& Harris or Rigby | |||
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Ruger factory syt. Pure black can't hurt it. | |||
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For a hunting rifle, plastic. No warpage. Scratches, dents etc, sandpaper, maybe bondo, a rattle can, good as new. Dave | |||
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A-Square Coil-Chek? :-) | |||
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That beautiful "old European" style stock at the top is perfect for a fast handling rifle. Lots of drop in the stock like a shotgun.(About 1.5" at the comb and 2.5" at the heel.) The sights on that rifle are perfect for fast work. I also like the weight/balance more forward than most folks. Steadier with less muzzle bounce. When comes to bigger that .458WM I like a straighter stock to make the recoil come straight back with less muzzle rise. With a straight stock I give up some of that nice fast shotgun type of handling. In the old days, most big bores had a some of drop. IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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One that is inletted,hand fitted and made from a proper blank.I like the two stocks on the rifles Ralf Martini made for me. | |||
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My Simson 9.3X62 with full length rib had an amazing balance with its Oberndorf stock. The 8 lbs rifle felt like 6.5 lbs. My CZ 416 Rigby with Kevlar stock was great too. The real great stock I like are like your fist picture - classic British rifle & great stock. I really like the red tinge to the finish using alkanet root. It just makes the walnut grain stand out & glow. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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xausa's, Bill's .350 Rigby Magnum rifle by Lon Paul has a stock that would be great on any rifle for me. For cartridges fatter than .350 Rigby, just hang a coffin plate below the wood. Here is another "high-class" stock, picture scarfed from Champlin's site, more of a blond, if Bill's is more of a redhead, and not quite as svelte as Bill's:  Is that bolt body color-case hardened?
I'd ditto p dog shooter, maybe, if I knew what "syt" meant.
Ditto nopride2 for sure! A synthetic stock shaped like Bill's would be the Cat's Meow. Imagine this in synthetic: I'm trying to imagine it, starting with the lowly Tupperware that has given me durability and accuracy as good as any, up to and including .458 Win.Mag.   The Dakota rear sight is backwards, and the barrel band for sling is too close to stock tip. That one needs to be rebarreled again, to .458 Win. Mag. Rip ... | |||
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For pure aesthetics, I love the stock design on the old British rifles but they seem to have way too much heel drop for me to shoot comfortably. One of the few Brit guns I have shot was a C&H 375 H&H. It had so much drop I could not get see the sights with any kind of cheek weld. To see the sights, no part of my face was touching the stock so it kicked the snot out me. 30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking. | |||
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Ah yes, the graceful beauty of a finely finished 2x4!  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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I have wide shoulders, long arms, and a wide neck. Classicly styled straight stocks don't fit. I also have to use a scope these days. The answer for me has been the stock on my Sako 416 Remington Magnum. It has a sloping Monte Carlo that allows me to use scopes or iron sight. The stock has cast off, and toe out. The rifle fits me like a glove, and points as an extension of my will. The original Bavarian stock on my CZ 416s also fit me well, and swing like a shotgun for me. I think a rifle owner should make sure the gun fits his body perfectly, than own one that conforms to any given aesthetic ideal of natural beauty. Oh to have my pre-forty-year old eyes again; then I could dispense with scopes altogether. But alas, time is an arrow that runs in only one direction.   | |||
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I like a nice open wrist. Short foreend, classic style butt stock. The Boyd's Classic and the MPI Safari Magnum stocks fit like a glove. One of the most effortlessly pointing rifles I ever held was an original 425 Westly Richard's. I did some wood removal on a CZ458 Lott I had . American Classic stock. It pointed like a good dream also. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Bro'Dart, Good one!  I'm built funny too, but this one feels pretty good, with proper LOP by slip-on pad addition:  WD40,  one of those NASA inventions for use as a wiring drying agent or what? Rip ... | |||
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I like the forearm, slender & short, like a classic express | |||
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Since I am lowly bolt rifle trash, I prefer function over style. This is custom fitted to me, professionally bedded and I don't have to worry about change of impact when it is lugged half way around the world. I like to look at the pretty ones but this one goes home with me every time.  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Blacktailer, What make of stock is that, on what chambering of rifle? That is a mighty fine rifle, but mighty crude photograph posting. If I hold down the "CTRL" key and hit the "-" key and shrink the view down to 25% then it is less blurry and fits on the laptop screen view without having to scroll way out there to the right. You can re-size it easily at Imgur.com, by editing or just select a smaller-sized link, like a large thumbnail. Even old dogs can learn new tricks. Rip ... | |||
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Looks like I am in a minority here...  For 416 Rigby and up, I prefer CZ's European (hogback) style stock. It won't win any beauty pageants, but for my long lanky frame (and neck) it sure feels good! When I snap it to my shoulder, I'm automatically looking right down the sights without having to lower my head. It seems some of the recoil, which can be a bit frisky, is absorbed by muzzle rise, instead of 100% of it coming straight back into my shoulder. Taking a chance here... I've seen this in the Big Bore forum before, perhaps because true Big Bore owners are such a small group... I am selling my CZ 550 Safari in 458 Lott, with 3 external and 2 internal crossbolts plus glass-bedding, on Gunbroker (767931167), no reserve, ends 5/10/18. ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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Sorry about the photo size, I didn't realize until I had posted that it was large. That's a P64 M70 in 375H&H. The stock started out as a Brown Prec I believe before my gunsmith worked his magic. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Despite the fact that my .350 Rigby Magnum illustrated above can't be beat for a medium bore, for a real big bore I prefer my .416 Rigby, built on a single square bridge Oberndorf action by Dennis Erhardt:  Or my .505 Gibbs built by Lon Paul on a double square bridge Granite Mountain action, scope bases and receiver sight by Joe Smithson:  | |||
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The AHR big bore stock is the best I have used: AHR Stock Key features: A straight buttstock with little or no drop at comb or heel, and with a wide "footprint" at the back end. Also, the top of the comb has a gentle curve, and not a sharp edge. This stock design pushes the recoil straight back into and over a fairly wide area of the shoulder, instead of "digging" it back into the shoulder and upwards off of the shoulder and sharply into the face. And a good recoil pad (I like a one inch Pachmayr Decelerator) is also essential, IMHO. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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"Once a Brown Precision, always a Brown Precision"  Blacktailer's Rifle:  Above may be one of those heavy 1.5-pound standard Brown Precision stocks, reworked by the gunsmith, or is it a 1-pound Pounder like mine?  Above rifle was my .375 H&H "bear rifle" in Alaska, retired to Kentucky to become a .395 H&H. Slick feeder that points like a magic wand. Holds 4 in the box and 1 in the chamber.   OK, like others here, I could not possibly stick to one gun stock pattern or material. Maybe a list of a dozen sorts of stocks would do for me. I like the CZ Lux "Hogback" too, have several rifles that wear them, and they would be on my list of a dozen too. Rip ... | |||
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Big Bore Rifles by Jack Lott. Page 74. First from the top. | |||
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I like the severe English stocks..I like a bit of grain and color in the butt, but layout and age are more important..I like Russian Walnut from Bill Dowtin..I like low combed stocks for iron sights and I can still shoot them with a scope, that's never been a problem to me..and it doesn't work the other way around. I really like Boom Sticks red wood Mauser pictured on this thread, for any caliber up to the 375 H&H . Wish it was mine in any caliber. In a bigger bore Id lean towards the Lon Paul with a 8.5 forend and a barrel band swivel..low comb an not the American classic wide butt that's claimed to reduce felt recoil..I'll stay with the narrow butt, low comb, thin top line comb, these things have never bothered me in the least. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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