http://www.municion.org/
Click on Fuego Central then go through the bullet diameters

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Originally posted by boom stick:
http://www.municion.org/
Click on Fuego Central then go through the bullet diameters

Hey! Thanks for the headsup boom stick.
I found my 500 Mbogo listed with cartridge drawing, and photos of loaded cartridge and headstamp right below the listing for the 500 MDM.
Still looking for more ...

From municion.org, I can even read that ... Spanish?

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.500 Mbogo / .500 Mbogo 3" / .50-08 / XCR 13 076 BGC 10W

Este cartucho fue diseñado el año 2006 por Ron Berry, como un homenaje de al .470 Mbogo de Dave Estergaard.

El .500 Mbogo es simplemente el .470 Mbogo con la boca ampliada hasta .510” y alargado a 3".

Se fabrica con vainas cilíndricas del .416 Rigby básico.







I reckon they snagged the photos and my specs, and alternate nomenclature (Thank you municion.org.), from accurate reloading.com so they shouldn't mind me snagging them back, nor the traffic you are generating on their site.
Thanks.

DRG says: "Kiss my liberal grits!"

There are the 12GFH 28GFH 600 OK a bunch of the MDM and B&M's, the 585 HE
Jeffeosso... call this guy and tell him about the AR's

"Calibre 12 del infierno" o infernal.



From www.municion.org/

12 Gauge from Hell / 12 Ga. FH / 18.5x98R / XCR 19 098 CBC 10W


"Calibre 12 del infierno" o infernal. Con este sonoro nombre lo bautizó su creador, Robert Garrick, el año 2002. Muy probablemente despues de saborear el retroceso.

Es un cartucho calibre 12 más o menos ordinario, pero con vaina totalmente de latón y mucho más larga (98 mm) que cualquier recámara ordinaria de este calibre. Además, monta exclusivamente bala.

Para hacerse una idea cabal de lo que es este cartucho, la vaina es una ordinaria del calibre .50 BMG/ 12.7x99 ensanchada hasta cerca de 20mm y con una pestaña añadida. Viendo sus dimensiones, llamar infernal a este enorme cartucho no parece exagerado.

Hemos visto fotos por internet de este cartucho con una bala de escopeta, de plomo y con superficies aerodinámicas externas para forzar su rotación al dispararse en un arma sin estrías. El de la foto lleva una bala ordinaria -aunque enorme- lo que indica que debería usarse en un rifle.

DRG says: "Kiss my liberal grits!"

It is an excellent page of ammunition Spanish, with a complete database and forum. Recommended 100%.

Oscar.

Oscar, you are right! Excellent resource.

No more paypal&credit card, for permission to view the data on wildcart ctgs like that other site.

Just added to my favorites. Thank you boom stick.

Good drawings too, clearly showing who has the rebated rims and short necks

Finally - I get to see the 700 AHR and all I can say is "GO ED GO!!"

Boomy

How in the world did you dig this up? Pretty neat, thanks. RIP and I are famous again I suppose! I found the 416-458-50 B&M AK--50 B&M and the 500 MDM.

Good Show!

Michael

I thought the 585 ahr was based on the 600ok. But the ahr is much more rebated. Again, I say: "GO ED GO"

Man, I must say a few pictures and drawings, far more informative than 10,000 words.

Cool website. Kinda humorous when translated by Google too.

The author didn't do a great job of fact checking on the 470 Mbogo though. He has it developed in RSA in 2001, instead of Canada in 1996/7. Probably a cut/paste error from some other cartridge, since he does have the link to Dave's website...and the story is pretty clear on there.

Cheers
Canuck

The 585AHR is based on the .600OK. -Rob

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The 585AHR is based on the .600OK. -Rob

Rob, please take a look at the picture and comment on what is going on. The 585 ahr has no belt and the rebated looks at lot more pronounced. And with the belt removed I would have expected just the opposite. If I am reading right the head on the AHR is 14.92 and on the OK is 16.17 mm? And look at the photo. Whats up. Wow, the AHR rebate is hugh!

The 585AHR





The 600 OK

Your looking at a .585 Nyati not a .585 AHR. The .585 AHR has a belt.-Rob

This guy has the right idea ...

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Your looking at a .585 Nyati not a .585 AHR. The .585 AHR has a belt.-Rob

I saw that photo of the 585 AHR on the website also. That must have been something Ed Plummer was working on years ago during initial development. I've never seen that case or photo before. It does look like a Nyati though.I see other things on this website that are out of date also. They just need to be brought up to date. Good website overall; I just need a translator.

I wonder what that is pictured as the 585 Nyati?

So; its a good site, but many many of the rare unknown/obscure wildcats are messed up. The common stuf is all in books anyway.

AHR wont even post pictures of thier own stuff on thier website. Is this extremely rebate 700AHR for real?

that is only way to get it to do
with a .750" bolt.........as well
as slug is .685 bore size.
They got a good pics of my 700s . Ed

Yep,
Nice site.
But to list all obscure wildcats is an impossible task.
Any such attempted data collection is appreciated, and always taken under advisement as to accuracy of specs, changes, etc.

Here are all 8 of my obscure pets, reposing like ants in an ant farm:





L to R:

1. .458 Lapua Magnum with 500-gr Barnes TSX
2. .423 Lapua Magnum (predates the .423 Dakota-Lapua "Shortie") with 400-gr TSX
3. .375 Lapua with 300-gr Walterhog copy by Bridger
4-a. 400/.395 NE with 410-gr LFNGC (mould by LBT--perfection)
4-b. 400/.395 NE with 310-gr S&H Velohex NONCON
5. .395 Ruger with 340-gr GSC HV
6. 398 Lapua Magnum with 325-gr S&H Ripper
7. .395 Tatanka with 340-gr GSC HV (no moly)
8. 500 Mbogo with 570-gr Hornady DGX

Only "The S&H Ripper" is loaded longer than 3.75", for single-shot loading.
I also shoot 300 Lapua Magnum and .338 Lapua Magnum, to round out the "Big Five" Lapua Magnums, but I did not start from scratch on those.

My "Number Nine" will be the "20 Gauge Hellboy" aka ".615 NE 3.5-Inch", or the "Sixty Nought Nine."
I am just Rip-ping off the standard SAAMI 20 Gauge 3.5" but doing it with RMC brass instead of plastic hull,
and 3-degree forcing cone instead of 5-degree,
and slugs up to 980 grains.

It is too big to fit in the ant farm.
I guess it will have to lie across the top of the plastic to keep the other cats from escaping.
Herding cats with a Hellboy.

DRG says: "Kiss my liberal grits!"

I thought the photos and info was pretty good, although I understood very little of the language, I saw my name, the cartridge, and what have you. On my 50 B&M looks like they had a difficult time with a bullet, mouth looks over expanded and they could not get it back to normal??? Anyway........my little lineup below.




Next--There will be a 375 B&M, 458 B&M Super Short, 50 B&M SA, 458 B&M SA and some changes to the 500 MDM-move the shoulder forward and shorten the neck. All these reamers should be in sometime in the next few weeks. The 50 B&M SA rifle is almost complete, should have it in a couple of weeks.

Michael

Yes. Definitely a 3/4 full glass situation here and a good resource. Perhaps he will get some support and update some of his ctgs. Appears to be a ctg collector. I bet he love to get samples. Heck I was thrilled to get a 585 from Ed.

I am a bit frustrated because I get forgetful and/or I dont know that much about many of these ctgs discussed on this forum.

I have opinion like every one else and know about the old saying everybody has one... etc
None the less, like to air mine from time to time.

For instance the 500 mbogo is a great idea.IMHO. The 585HE another super ctg IMHO. The 585 really fills a nitch, either 3 inch or 3 1/4. Same time, I am at a loss to understand why some of these rebated ideas are so popular when its just not needed. Or a little patience and bigger action will come along like much discussed PH.

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I am a bit frustrated because I get forgetful and/or I dont know that much about many of these ctgs discussed on this forum.

I have opinion like every one else and know about the old saying everybody has one... etc
None the less, like to air mine from time to time.

For instance the 500 mbogo is a great idea.IMHO. The 585HE another super ctg IMHO. The 585 really fills a nitch, either 3 inch or 3 1/4. Same time, I am at a loss to understand why some of these rebated ideas are so popular when its just not needed. Or a little patience and bigger action will come along like much discussed PH.

Fourbore

Not sure, but are your comments directed somewhat towards my cartridges? If so, I would love to tell you about what they are about??? And the why?

Michael

Hi Michael,

I think I see where you are coming from and maybe an over simplification but you are looking to get most efficient size ctg case to deliver the goods with a big bore in the field. I like what you are up to and follow your recent posts closely. I dont care for headspacing on the end of the case, but well...that is your trade off. I do appreciate your sharing photos here and your thoughful posts.

I hesitate to engage in more ctg bashing, but I was thinking about the 458WM(when introduced), 500J(always), 585 nayti. still not sure where I stand on 600 OK. The 585 HE/BME seem worlds better to me and it languishes.

Hey Fourbore

No problem, and yes I think you are on the right track with me. It is the ENTIRE package with me, not just the cartridge alone. None of my cartridges are stand alone on their own, and if placed in normal big bore rifles, then they would not be so appealing. But putting the small PLATFORM along with the B&M cartridges and even the 500 MDM and this combined with proper bullets put them into a different category.

Now also just keep in mind, all my rifles are control feed Winchesters, which the extractor controls most headspace issues, cartridge cannot go any further into the chamber than the extractor will allow it to go, same as a 45 acp. So bear that in mind too.

However, it is always good to rehash, and bring these things to bear, so I appreciate your thoughts in turn! Not everyone always follows things as close as you do!

I actually need to add one more thing, all the photos, measurements and talking I do about these rifles and cartridges really does little to get the true concept across to be honest. Until you actually put one of these rifles in your hands it is very difficult to get the true understanding of how handy and fast they actually are in comparison to your standard 24 inch 9-11 lb big bore rifle. Once in hand, then it is easy to get the concept. It's a lot like turning on the light bulb in a darkened room.

Thanks!
Michael

Fourbore- There is a WORLD of difference between what looks good and what actually works. Until you have been there and done that, save your opinions. I know quite a bit about the .585 Nyati and the .600ok and the .585 AHR or .585/.600ok. You might try asking more questions than asserting facts that are wrong. Not looking for a fight, but it's a little tiresome and frequent. -Rob

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Until you have been there and done that, save your opinions.

Sorry, but this is an open discussion board and hopefully all ideas and opinions are welcome.

On the guns and shooting subjects, cast in stone, facts are few and opinions are many. I will continue to voice opinions, but you are free to put me on your ignore list. No offense taken.

If there is an official AR policy regarding criticism of cartridge designs then I will abide. Hopefully no sacred cows here.

I belong to a club and you should hear the endless hours of BS. Its a gun owner tradition.

Fourbore...Part of the 600 OK genius is that it works in a 550 CZ
The 3" version of the 585 HE is quite the desirable cart IMHO AND can be made from 600 OK cases!
The 577 BME has compromises (minimal taper) but can be made from Gibs brass.
The 585 HE has more taper and a better belt.

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Originally posted by fourbore:
I belong to a club and you should hear the endless hours of BS. Its a gun owner tradition.

Ain't that the truth! And wildcatters are worse!

fourbore,
Good job.
If you are not stepping on some toes now and then, then you are just going nowhere.
This is like a party of grandmothers comparing baby pictures.
You will even see death threats over a mere failure to kiss up to a certain wildcat, when things get really crazy.
Grannie can still get PMS.

I agree with all your points.

Thanks for the

More to come, I am sure.

DRG says: "Kiss my liberal grits!"

Forebore- Best Idea you've had to date. welcome to my IGNORE list. -Rob

Is it possible for a member to put himself on everyone elses ignore list and if so can he see himself when he logs in ..?? If he can't see himself, will he be able to remove himself from his own ignore list?

Mac- You been Drinkin again?-Rob

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Mac- You been Drinkin again?-Rob

Nope!