416 RUGER
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ0RUECPAgg

Duck!!!

I want one in an Alaskan real bad!

I am not a Ruger fan, but I am very interested in the 416 Alaskan - and they're not too expensive. I fondled one in Anchorage and thought the 20 inch barrel would make it ideal for carrying across your back while riding a snowmobile. Lou

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
I am not a Ruger fan, but I am very interested in the 416 Alaskan - and they're not too expensive. I fondled one in Anchorage and thought the 20 inch barrel would make it ideal for carrying across your back while riding a snowmobile. Lou

I have to admit, I think I want one too! Its gotta be pretty peppy with less than 8 lbs of weight.

John

Quite perfect !!!!!

WHY?

Can't you run 400 grain bullets in the .458 winmag, in a short action, at better velocity???

gumboats sig says they work....?

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Originally posted by GS:
WHY?

Can't you run 400 grain bullets in the .458 winmag, in a short action, at better velocity???

gumboats sig says they work....?

Velocity would be close, but probably not better. The 458 will usually take a 24" barrel to get close whereas the 416 ruger makes do with a 20". The 458 is also a standard action, but I really believe action length is not much of an issue until you go 416 Rigby length.

The 400 gr 416 bullet has a higher sectional density than the 400gr 458, making it a better choice for critters that need full length perforation.

Nothing wrong with the 458 though; however, for DG and the like, I would stick with a 450 gr or above. A 480 gr bullet would still be pretty magical for a stopping round.

Sometimes there are hard and fast rules, sometimes guidelines, and more often than not, personal preference.

Having both a 416 Rigby and a 458 Win., I really wouldn't feel under-gunned with either. Now if dinosaurs started roaming the earth, or killer transforming robots, I will opt for a 30mm shoulder canon, and I guess I will become partial with muzzle breaks.

John

Wow! That video was quite compelling, especially the voiceover of the gent shooting a buff with a .416 caliber, 400 grain bullet, going 2400fps! He made it sound like that combination has never gotten the job done before Rooger came along with their iteration.

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Originally posted by GS:
WHY?

Can't you run 400 grain bullets in the .458 winmag, in a short action, at better velocity???

gumboats sig says they work....?

The sectional density on the 400 grain 416 bullet is far better than the 400 grain 458 bullet. The 416 bullet would have a better penetration factor, better BC and less of a chance of bullet tumbling on impact with it's overall weight/length ratio.

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GS:


Velocity would be close, but probably not better. The 458 will usually take a 24" barrel to get close whereas the 416 ruger makes do with a 20". The 458 is also a standard action,

The 400 gr 416 bullet has a higher sectional density than the 400gr 458, making it a better choice for critters that need full length perforation.

Nothing wrong with the 458 though; however, for DG and the like, I would stick with a 450 gr or above. A 480 gr bullet would still be pretty magical for a stopping round.

Sometimes there are hard and fast rules, sometimes guidelines, and more often than not, personal preference.



John

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. Now I,m not picking on you John .. But the 400 gr .416 bullet @ 2400 fps is NOT preferable to a 400 gr .458 bullet @ 2400 fps .......... Not only do some 400 gr .458 bullets expand to around an inch diameter . but they penetrate like crazy .............
. I have shot LOTS of 400 gr bullets in the .458 Win and Lott . and they are absolute killing machines ..my 458 has a 19.5 " barrel and with book loads I get 2400 fps .....................
Since Barnes dropped the 400 gr X bullet from their line of X and TSX bullets . The best ( probably was to start with )option is the 400 gr GS HV bullet , and the North Fork ... For heavy game .... If I was going to Africa to hunt Cape Buffalo my 458 with 400 gr bullets would be my prefered bullet ..... However actually there would be 300 gr Xs in my rifle , just to see if in fact Cape Buffalo arn,t elephants ........ Since people say the 9.3x62 works on C.B. and my 300 gr .458 loads penetrate as deep or deeper . I think I'de be in the chips ..............

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Originally posted by dirklawyer:

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Originally posted by GS:
WHY?

Can't you run 400 grain bullets in the .458 winmag, in a short action, at better velocity???

gumboats sig says they work....?

The sectional density on the 400 grain 416 bullet is far better than the 400 grain 458 bullet. The 416 bullet would have a better penetration factor, better BC and less of a chance of bullet tumbling on impact with it's overall weight/length ratio.

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. Dirk , what are you talkin about ... It is proven that a short bullet penetrates straighter than a longer bullet !!!
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. A number of the old rules don,t work very well with modern bullets like the North Fork and GS Custom expanding bullets .......

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
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. Now I,m not picking on you John .. But the 400 gr .416 bullet @ 2400 fps is NOT preferable to a 400 gr .458 bullet @ 2400 fps .......... Not only do some 400 gr .458 bullets expand to around an inch diameter . but they penetrate like crazy .............
. I have shot LOTS of 400 gr bullets in the .458 Win and Lott . and they are absolute killing machines ..my 458 has a 19.5 " barrel and with book loads I get 2400 fps .....................
Since Barnes dropped the 400 gr X bullet from their line of X and TSX bullets . The best ( probably was to start with )option is the 400 gr GS HV bullet , and the North Fork ... For heavy game .... If I was going to Africa to hunt Cape Buffalo my 458 with 400 gr bullets would be my prefered bullet ..... However actually there would be 300 gr Xs in my rifle , just to see if in fact Cape Buffalo arn,t elephants ........ Since people say the 9.3x62 works on C.B. and my 300 gr .458 loads penetrate as deep or deeper . I think I'de be in the chips ..............

I don't feel picked on. If it works for you, great! I'm not threatened by people doing things differently, I just wanna know how you get a 450gr 458 to hit 2700 fps out of a win case.

John

I don,t ,, Never said I did . I don,t shoot 450 gr bullets other than a bunch of Win Mag factory Safari ammo I used up loaded with the 450gr Swift A Frame ..

OK, then what is that weird ass signature about?

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Originally posted by gumboot458:

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Originally posted by dirklawyer:

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Originally posted by GS:
WHY?

Can't you run 400 grain bullets in the .458 winmag, in a short action, at better velocity???

gumboats sig says they work....?

The sectional density on the 400 grain 416 bullet is far better than the 400 grain 458 bullet. The 416 bullet would have a better penetration factor, better BC and less of a chance of bullet tumbling on impact with it's overall weight/length ratio.

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. Dirk , what are you talkin about ... It is proven that a short bullet penetrates straighter than a longer bullet !!!
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Not when the bullet is too short for diameter, that theory doen't work with conventional softs. With monolithic solids and solid shanked softs your statement is correct. I shoot 540 grain GS FN solids in my 500N.E. they out penetrate the older 570's because the length exceeded that magical length to diameter ratio.

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Originally posted by GS:
OK, then what is that weird ass signature about?

.. My Wierd ass signature is a collection of quotes I have collected over the past couple years .. that prove my point that lots of people take a thrashing for NO REASON ..........
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. Since a 400 grain GS HV bullet from a 458 Win Mag will brain an elephant .. According to Gerard . And Andy couldn,t break up a 400 gr North Fork bullet at close range shooting a Cape Buffalo with his 450 Dakota @ 2750 fps . And Andy says a 450 gr bullet kicks like a mean mule ............
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. The MEN that built America didn,t make mistakes as the figure head in the white house says ............................Global warming is a farce designed to enslave people ....If you don,t believe me , please explane what caused the Matanuska glacier to retreat up the Mat valley to the place it is and has been for many decades ..................Also what man made event caused Glacier Bay to be formed ... Answer ........ None .....
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By the way, all of those video shots were way done before the .416 Ruger ever came out, and, if you look closely, two of the rifles are doubles.

Also, the ballistics say later in the film that they get 2325 fps out of a 20" Ruger barrel, not 2400 fps.

..I think with the jackets on the Hornady bullets it slows the bullets down , since a 416 Rem can get a 400 gr bullet going 2400 fps and faster with a 20" barrel I see no problem with the 416 Ruger , with it's greater case capacity doing the same ... At least in Alaska .................. I,m not too interested in the 400 gr bullets tho ,as a 350 @ 2500 plus or a 300 gr @ 2800 fps is what I,m after ......................., My Rem mags did that with 22" barrels so I,m sure I can easily come close to it with more capacity and a shorter barrel .........

The 375 ruger may have greater capacity than the 375 h&h, but that might not be the same for the 416. The 416 remington is the h&h case, but isn't the case improved with less case taper than the 375 H&H.???
That would give the 416 rem more capacity than the 375 h&H while the case capacity would remain the same for the 375 and 416 ruger.

Just a thought

375 ruger is basically yhe same capacity as the 375 weatherby .. or HH improved
the 416 ruger is BASICLLY the same size as a 416 remington .. and far larger than the 416 taylor

the taylor can get 2400, from several people ...

the ruger is short and fat .. adn yeah, it does matter.
it can get the numers listed .. it can do everything the remington can .. its basically the same case capacity

my 416 AR can easily beat 2400 fps .. and its about 6 grs larger

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Originally posted by gohip2000:
The 375 ruger may have greater capacity than the 375 h&h, but that might not be the same for the 416. The 416 remington is the h&h case, but isn't the case improved with less case taper than the 375 H&H.???
That would give the 416 rem more capacity than the 375 h&H while the case capacity would remain the same for the 375 and 416 ruger.

Just a thought

416 rem is based off the 8mm rem mag case, but capacities are probably similar though.

In one of Ganyana's articles in Rifle mag. he talks about having the striking velocity be 2250 fps or there abouts ...... I think that is very sound , and why I prefer something lighter than 450 gr bullets in the 458 Win and like 350 or lighter in the 416 ...... . Expanding bullets anyway ......

I was reading the comments on the video and laughed like hell at this one. You can't fix stupid.

"ruderennie (4 months ago) Show Hide -2 Marked as spam Reply"

"big hard men shooting animals what has that tiger done to you loosers i hope u all shoot yourself whilst out hunting"

ok, just wasn't sure, but knew the 416 rem had more capacity than the h&h.

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:

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Originally posted by gohip2000:
The 375 ruger may have greater capacity than the 375 h&h, but that might not be the same for the 416. The 416 remington is the h&h case, but isn't the case improved with less case taper than the 375 H&H.???
That would give the 416 rem more capacity than the 375 h&H while the case capacity would remain the same for the 375 and 416 ruger.

Just a thought

416 rem is based off the 8mm rem mag case, but capacities are probably similar though.

As usual, there are no 416s for leftys. However, as I cornered the market on LH .375 stainless Ruger Alaskans, I should be able to buy a right hand gun and swap barrels on one of my .375s. Does anyone know if the magazine dimensions are the same for the .416 as the .375?

With the availability of the 416 rigby available in a ruger rifle, a great rifle at that! I see very little use for the 416 ruger, especially in a 'lessor' rifle. Unless the big gun is too heavy for you to carry comfortably.

the 416 ruger cost HALF of a ruger rsm in 416 rigby, buckeye .. HALF .. and to most people, 800 bucks is serious money

+1 on jeffeosso's comment.

Also, you can get it in stainless/synthetic instead of wood/blued. For me, that is a huge positive.

Those Rugers look an awful lot like P.O. Ackley's
Improved cartridges, or, the Van Horn line.
A short, fat, that fits in a standard action is NOT a new idea.

I can't figure out why Ruger ammo is 1/2 - 1/3 of what 416 Rem ammo is going for. If I didn't reload, I'd be buying a Ruger...may still do it.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
the 416 ruger cost HALF of a ruger rsm in 416 rigby, buckeye .. HALF .. and to most people, 800 bucks is serious money

Yea, but Jeff, it's 1/4 of the rifle that the RSM is so maybe the RSM is a bargain

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
the 416 ruger cost HALF of a ruger rsm in 416 rigby, buckeye .. HALF .. and to most people, 800 bucks is serious money

Yea, but Jeff, it's 1/4 of the rifle that the RSM is so maybe the RSM is a bargain

We live in the new USA, it's better to be cheap than to get what you pay for. I'm waiting for the $299 Vanguard will come out in 416 Ruger at Wally world.

John

+1 for Dave Bush!

"The bitter taste of poor quality lasts much longer than the pain for higher initial investment on a superior product"

Dave , you know better than that ...

double is still double .. if a guy thinks 800 is high for a rifle (and i do, actually) 1600 might as well be 10k .. it just aint gunna happen.

i guess i am being a littl emore humble these days

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
the 416 ruger cost HALF of a ruger rsm in 416 rigby, buckeye .. HALF .. and to most people, 800 bucks is serious money

Yea, but Jeff, it's 1/4 of the rifle that the RSM is so maybe the RSM is a bargain

We live in the new USA, it's better to be cheap than to get what you pay for. I'm waiting for the $299 Vanguard will come out in 416 Ruger at Wally world.

John

you get what you pay for, IF you are lucky ..
wally world is the largest retailer of guns in teh free world .. and they sell ALOT of the $339 savage kits with a scope.. that shoot moa or better.

dang, guys, don't get wrapped up in PRICE .. fill the need ...

yeah, I am frugal ... and think its a good thing

I don't post very often but once again I feel the need to give a +1 to jeffeosso. My dad bought a $300 marlin 30-06 brand new off the rack at gander mountain. We bought some cheap federal ammo and I get much better groups than I need to shoot deer. I'm sure I could change ammo and change rifles and get sub moa groups but it is completely unnecessary both in terms of cost and time. Let alone we wanted a rifle that could be thrown around in a truck and we wouldn't cry if there was a scratch put in the side, which is something that a $1000 rifle cannot provide.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
the 416 ruger cost HALF of a ruger rsm in 416 rigby, buckeye .. HALF .. and to most people, 800 bucks is serious money

Yea, but Jeff, it's 1/4 of the rifle that the RSM is so maybe the RSM is a bargain

We live in the new USA, it's better to be cheap than to get what you pay for. I'm waiting for the $299 Vanguard will come out in 416 Ruger at Wally world.

John

you get what you pay for, IF you are lucky ..
wally world is the largest retailer of guns in teh free world .. and they sell ALOT of the $339 savage kits with a scope.. that shoot moa or better.

dang, guys, don't get wrapped up in PRICE .. fill the need ...

yeah, I am frugal ... and think its a good thing

Jeff:

We need to get you over to the double rifle forum for a bit. Now those guys buy some high dollar stuff. I never thought I would spend $1,000 on a rifle but then one day my friend showed up at the range with a new double and later with a CZ 505 Gibbs and I was hooked. First it was a CZ .500 Jeffery, then a .404, Blaser R93, .450 Dakota from AHR, Krieghoff and Blaser doubles.... I think I am done now but I think they were all bargains.... If I paid $5,000 for a rifle, I had $10,000 worth of fun and satisfaction Come on in, the waters fine. Let's pry you loose from some of the hard earned cash. Stimulate the economy. It's the patriotic thing to do

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Originally posted by Strawman419:
...we wanted a rifle that could be thrown around in a truck and we wouldn't cry if there was a scratch put in the side...

You can do just that with the 416 Rooger during hunting season and then in the spring plant it in your garden as a tomato stake. I can't believe the Rooger marketing folks haven't hyped this aspect yet. It seems too good to be true. And if you were real frugal, you could club sheep with it too. Actually, for me, that's it's true calling.