Many of you have probably seen this but for those who have not

http://www.sportsafield.com/FAQ/375Ruger.htm

Nice photo.....375 Ruger beside the longer 375 H&H

Looks like a 458 is as big as she'll go. I wonder how many cats are planned? I'm sure there are 'smiths poised for or are already pouncing on the case geometry.

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I wonder how many cats are planned?

I'd lay odds that that case will be necked up and down to everything from 7mm to 458 within three months after the specs and brass are available!

Most likely a 30 cal will be first.

I have the feeling it will like the 284, that is, more activity with the wildcats on the 284 case than the 284 itself.......but with one difference.

I think the "wildcats" will be factory Ruger/Hornady.

There a couple of pluses, big pluses I think, this case has over the WSM and RUMs.

Firstly, conversion of existing standard actions will be a much better proposition that for either the WSMs and RUMs.

Secondly, they won't be up the RUM's class of blast and recoil.

Thirdly, unlike the WSMs, they have more case capacity than the 7mm Rem etc.

Mike

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Ruger/Hornady hasn't already got the details worked out for the 7mm, 300, 338, 416 and possibly 458 Ruger already worked out.

I can't see a 458 Ruger as a factory round due to headspace issues.

Mike

Leaving a niche to be filled, say maybe a .395, perhaps?

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
I can't see a 458 Ruger as a factory round due to headspace issues.

Mike

Possible, but only one way to find out.

Forgive me if this has been covered before, but isn't the new 375 Ruger a 60,000 psi cartridge? What pressure does the 375 H&H traditionally operate at? If it's less than 60k, is it possible to function at higher pressures and achieve higher velocities, comparable to a 375 Wby or what this new Ruger is touting.

Prewar70, without having cases to measure, I'll go on Boddington's writing. Apparently the Ruger case has more volume than the H&H. Thus more powder and more velocities.

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Originally posted by Prewar70:
Forgive me if this has been covered before, but isn't the new 375 Ruger a 60,000 psi cartridge? What pressure does the 375 H&H traditionally operate at? If it's less than 60k, is it possible to function at higher pressures and achieve higher velocities, comparable to a 375 Wby or what this new Ruger is touting.

.375 H&H has max average of 62,000 PSI (SAAMI)
it was "modern" in 1912, still is
.375 Weatherby has max average of 63,861 PSI

The .375 Ruger will probably be about the same
pressure wise and will fall half way between the two in case capacity.

Will Dave Scovill publish a correction of his errata? Eat crow Dave.

You will end up with a shoulder like the 10.75x68mm Mauser if you neck the .375 Ruger up to .458, which is do-able but not likely in a factory round nowadays, eh?

Thanks to .366torque for the .395 plug.

Not that I am not looking forward to the new 375 ruger, but just once I would like to see him say he does'nt like something.

I enjoy his hunting stories but he is a mockingbird for the factory in every instance I can remember.

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You will end up with a shoulder like the 10.75x68mm Mauser if you neck the .375 Ruger up to .458, which is do-able but not likely in a factory round nowadays, eh?

Headspace is supposed to be the reason Dakota used the 416 Imp for the 450 Dakota

Likewise, the 450 Rigby is 416 Rigby Imp necked up.

Mike

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Originally posted by Ropes:
Not that I am not looking forward to the new 375 ruger, but just once I would like to see him say he does'nt like something.

I enjoy his hunting stories but he is a mockingbird for the factory in every instance I can remember.

Never bite the hand that feeds you. Or sends you on Safaris! He just supplies the advertising. We the consumer judge for ourselves what works and what doesn't.

So, I've seen two differing accounts of the case size. This article says .532" at base while others I've seen suggest .522". Anyone know for sure which it is?

There was a posting with "Insider Information" from Hornady that it's .532

i think the soon to be 416 ruger will be THE hot d.g. cart of 2007...

a switch barrel in 338,375 and 416 will be the s$%&!

This case is what the RUM should have been. There's a lot of logic to the design; I hope its a winner in the marketplace.

Do you think Ruger will chamber there guns in the .416 Ruger soon enough ??

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Originally posted by RIP:

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Originally posted by Prewar70:
Forgive me if this has been covered before, but isn't the new 375 Ruger a 60,000 psi cartridge? What pressure does the 375 H&H traditionally operate at? If it's less than 60k, is it possible to function at higher pressures and achieve higher velocities, comparable to a 375 Wby or what this new Ruger is touting.

.375 H&H has max average of 62,000 PSI (SAAMI)
it was "modern" in 1912, still is
.375 Weatherby has max average of 63,861 PSI

The .375 Ruger will probably be about the same
pressure wise and will fall half way between the two in case capacity.

Will Dave Scovill publish a correction of his errata? Eat crow Dave.

You will end up with a shoulder like the 10.75x68mm Mauser if you neck the .375 Ruger up to .458, which is do-able but not likely in a factory round nowadays, eh?

Thanks to .366torque for the .395 plug.

I spoke directly with one of the project engineers on the .375 Ruger yesterday. Max average pressure for the .375 Ruger and the .375 H & H is exactly the same - 62,000 PSI. Hornady specifically wanted it that way. It is NOT based on the 8X68S as I understand Scovill suggested. Base diameter is .532".

Since the case has 6% more capacity than the H & H, it was presumed that a good starting point would be .375 H & H max loads. It was too hot. The case shape is said to be more efficient. He said less powder produced more velocity than the H & H.

Scovill needs to stock up on ketchup to choke down the crow with.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Actually, I heard English Rook pies are rather tasty, so no ketchup should be required.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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I wonder how many cats are planned?

I'd lay odds that that case will be necked up and down to everything from 7mm to 458 within three months after the specs and brass are available!

You probably can use Reloading Data for the Dakota rounds and be spot on. It should be a nice round but they've all pretty much been done before. At least the brass should be cheaper than Dakota.................DJ

nooooo -10%
dakota is a bigger casehead

.400 Nitro's info was confirmed by a Hornady person as "close enough."

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Originally posted by boom stick:

nooooo -10%
dakota is a bigger casehead

Don't think so. Nominal velocities on the 375 Dakota are 2600 fps for the 300 gr bullet. Yes the Dakota is .545 at the web vs .532 for the 375 Ruger and the Dakota is 2.540 vs 2.5 for the Ruger, but the Dakota brass is extremely thick. You'll need to measure the actual case capacity with water with a seated bullet to really tell how much difference in case capacity exists. It won't be 10%.
Another good thing is that it will be easier to make a .532 round feed than the fatter Dakota's..................DJ

Very Impressive! I tip my hat to Hornady/Ruger for being so innovative in a time where many struggle to stay afloat selling plain jane bread and butter chambered firearms.

Ruger is pushing the envelope making "muscle cars" while so many have fallen into the "K-car" rut.

GVA

I'm saving my money right now for .423 barrel to screw onto my left handed Ruger Mk2 in (yawn) 7 Mag.

I'm thinking 338. Wonder what that case would push a 250 gr. Nosler to. Or, the 210???? Ooooooooooh.

jeffeosso is gunna make a 338 version...

question is will you move the shoulder back, steepen the shoulder or have a very short neck???

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Originally posted by Ropes:
Not that I am not looking forward to the new 375 ruger, but just once I would like to see him say he does'nt like something.

I enjoy his hunting stories but he is a mockingbird for the factory in every instance I can remember.

Somebody's got to pay for all those hunts, you know.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
I am trying to understand this .375 Ruger. So do I have this correct. Its a .375 H and H size but instead of a belt they just made the whole case the same diameter as the belt. Is that correct, and if so, then it would easily be adapted to existing 98 type mauser actions?

That's pretty much my understanding also. I've got a 7mm mag on a commercial 98 put aside to convert when some aftermarket barreles or reamers become available.

Weagle

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Originally posted by weagle:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
I am trying to understand this .375 Ruger. So do I have this correct. Its a .375 H and H size but instead of a belt they just made the whole case the same diameter as the belt. Is that correct, and if so, then it would easily be adapted to existing 98 type mauser actions?

That's pretty much my understanding also. I've got a 7mm mag on a commercial 98 put aside to convert when some aftermarket barreles or reamers become available.

Weagle

Sort of. Keep in mind that it is shorter than the 375 H&H as well. It will fit in an '06 length action.

Cheers,
Canuck

all this innovation and "new" development and comparison to the dakota ammo......which was another waste of time

didn't dakota file for bankruptcy ?

why if they were so successful ?

the world needs this 375 ruger - huh ? why ?

I'm trying to follow your logic. But, Dakota and Ruger are apples and oranges. Ruger is pretty much USAs bread and butter rifle for the blue collar crowd. Dakota on the other had is/was anything but. Dealer cost on their magnum action copy of the pre-64 Winchester is approx. $1,600.00. Their African action goes for $2,500.00. They would have a tuff time staying solvent just selling standard cartridges much less their Dakota line.

Regardless, it doesn't matter how many times Scovill says the 375Ruger is a Newton or how many times Barsness says it is only a necked up 300WM w/out a belt, or if it is nothing more than a Dakota, etc, etc. The 375Ruger has nothing to do with any of those cartridges and Ruger/Hornady did not consult with any of those persons/naysayers. The 375Ruger is its own parent cartridge that does its own thing. It is being marketed by the worlds largest firearms manufacturer and one of the largest ammunitions/components manufacturer. Affordable factory chambered rifles will be available in the US as well as loaded ammunition and its components. This cartridge will readily and easily fit in standard long action receivers and will shoot the same bullets as the longer H&H magnum to the same effect. THis cartridge will be wildcatted both up and down.

Anything beyond this is speculation. There is not a single person on this board who has the abilitiy to know the future of this cartridge, Ruger, or Hornady. We all understand this, but I don't understand why so many are so quick to cast stones when they have not one penny at stake. Especially when you have Ruger and Hornady working hard to come out w/ such niche cartridges and firearms for an obviously small market. Quite franly I'm glad to see innovation is still alive in the US firearms industry.

GVA

I know it's been said before, but as a left-handed shooter, I think this is great. The difference in price between this Ruger and a left-hand H&H length rifle will buy more brass than I am likely to wear out anytime soon. ;-)

Mat

Dear GaryVA:

I second your motion.

Chris Bemis

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Originally posted by GaryVA:
I don't understand why so many are so quick to cast stones when they have not one penny at stake. Especially when you have Ruger and Hornady working hard to come out w/ such niche cartridges and firearms for an obviously small market. Quite franly I'm glad to see innovation is still alive in the US firearms industry.

GVA

We hope you guys do not buy so many of them we'll have to wait years before they appear over here. A little bit downloaded and fitted with a 8x56 scope this migth be the ultimate wild boar medicine...

I agree with Graum, and I have said it before. The 375 Ruger is a lefties dream come true for a 375 caliber rifle. I was ready to go with a wildcat 375 Taylor or 376 Steyr when the 375 Ruger came about. Now I can't decide if I wanna get another left hand standard length action to go with my 375 barrel in the shop of just buy a left hand Ruger and get it over with.

Decision, decisions.

Eterry