totally agree with ray, the 416 ruger has obviated everything else in the 416 space

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I don't recall the specs and can't find them in my shop, but I built a number of 375 and 416 Taylors, but they were nothing more than a .338 case necked up to .416, end of story..The shot well and came very close to 416 Rem and 375 H&H specs..Maybe overthinking the subject, ya think?? I also ordered a plug with my custom dies to open up the necks in one stroke to match the dies and chamber,

Have not built a Chatfield Taylor since Ruger came out with the 375 Ruger and the 416 Ruger, but about any conversion based on the .338 case is a well designed caliber. At one time the 30-338 was extremely popular among Idaho elk hunters.

Ray ; How come I gotta argue with you so much.
The 416 / 338 IS NOT , NEVER WAS the 416 Taylor.
Its about as much the same as the 30/338 is to the 300 Winchester Mag.
You can shoot a 416/338 in a 416 Taylor. But not vice a versa. . Tho there may not be a lot of difference in their ballistics. They are not the same.
Tho the 416 Ruger eclipses the 416 Taylor. But the 416 Taylor is pretty awesome. Even the 7 mag can be necked up and still have thick enough brass in the neck to work fine.
That's one of the great things about the Taylor. About any standard belted brass is Taylor brass.

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Have not built a Chatfield Taylor since Ruger came out with the 375 Ruger and the 416 Ruger

If I didn't have a bunch of 416 T brass the dies ect.

I would just run a 416 Ruger reamer into my Taylor and go on with my life.

If the 416 Ruger had been around when I built my Taylor I would not have use Taylor but the Ruger instead.

I have a soft spot for the 416 Taylor . It was a challenge to get the velocity I craved out of a 19" barrel. So I had to settle on a bit less. The end result was I discovered a 350 gr 416 bullet @ 2450 fps was a great killer. And a 400 gr bullet @ 2200 fps was easy shooting and still a great killer.
Scrounging brass wasn't such a challenge. Find some range pick up 300 H+H Winchester, Whby, 7 mag, 338 , 375 ect. All make 416 T brass with a little time and elbow grease.

Canuck, if you don't mind me inquiring, did Bill Leeper chamber your Taylor?

Just wondering; he built mine on a LH Ruger & I could save your above findings as reference, as they were likely cut from the same reamer.

Cold trigger finger,
Guess ignorance is blessed, I, in all cases, just opened up a 338 case to take a .416 bullet and "called it" a Chatfield Taylor I supppose, as so many others did in these parts. I also could just neck a .458 down to .416..So I suppose the caliber was actually a .416/.338. it still made a great caliber. I do recall building one that was a 300 Win. mag opened up to .416, it had a name and was a tad better in veloicity but I found it too much trouble..I did the same with a 404..I recall I had the reamers made to do such!!

Sometimes I feel we tend to over think a problem..I guess I just took a simple approach.

I appreciate your imput, as I was simply not aware of the difference in the two.

You all do realize that this post was started in 2006 and Canuck hasn't been here in a while?

Ya , but , it's a great thread topic .
I especially like the Taylor it makes a great 18" carbine. Very easy to have with all the time. Ruger should come out with the Gunsight Scout Rifle in 416 Ruger.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Cold trigger finger,
Guess ignorance is blessed, I, in all cases, just opened up a 338 case to take a .416 bullet and "called it" a Chatfield Taylor I supppose, as so many others did in these parts. I also could just neck a .458 down to .416..So I suppose the caliber was actually a .416/.338. it still made a great caliber. I do recall building one that was a 300 Win. mag opened up to .416, it had a name and was a tad better in veloicity but I found it too much trouble..I did the same with a 404..I recall I had the reamers made to do such!!

Sometimes I feel we tend to over think a problem..I guess I just took a simple approach.

I appreciate your imput, as I was simply not aware of the difference in the two.

The winter of 94/95 I was in my thinning camp at False Island . Snowed in . Had a great abundance of time on my hands and no where to go. I studied and learnt everything I could about a number of carts. The 416 Taylor being one of them as it was my large medium bore rifle at that time. The 500 A-Sq being My large bore. My current 458 wasn't built yet.
I realized the Taylor wasn't a necked up 338 . As When I fire formed them the result was very different . The 338 necked up to 416 looked similar to the 460 Whby necked up to take a .510" bullet.
But both rounds changed shape considerably when fireformed.
As I was shooting short barrels. I was glad to have all the powder capacity I could get. I'm sure your 416/338 would have run away from my Taylors as you tend to like long barrels and I like shortys.
I could only get 2300 fps with 400 gr bullets max working and 2450 with the 350 gr . I found IMR 4320 to be The powder for the 416 Taylor . Same as with the 500 A-Sq.

Balistically we were close enough for guvment work!! My 375/338 and my 416 and 404/338s shot about the same as the Holland and Holland version of both but the 404, not so much, as the Jefferys case had a ton more powder capacity, but the 404/338 was an awesome killer..

With the 40 calibers and the 400 gr. bullets in them all I got 2350 FPS and could manage 2400 FPS is need be. My 375/338 would beat the Holland and Holland by 50 FPS..and yes I also found IMR-4320 the powder of choice followed closely by IMR-4064..I found RL-15, was equally as good in the .416/338..I believe RL-16 and 17 would do well also. Probably about the same as the IMRs, but the RL powders would meter more accurately, and that's a big plus to me, as I hate cutting kernals...

These were the wildcats of the day, today they lose grace in that they are simply no longer needed if need has anything to do with it..I would use the .375 Ruger case today for any of the above under most circumstances.

Barrel length . I used and use short barrels. .

Everyone here seems to be necking up the .338 for their Taylor's. I have two .416 Taylors and each have been to Africa several times. I have always simply used the .458 win mag brass, necked it down and fireformed. Never had an issue. Is there a benefit to using the .338 opposed to the .458?

Only if your chamber has a tight neck. Necked down 458 brass has thicker neck walls than necked up 338 brass does. I used to have to neck ream some of my necked down 458 brass. Never had to ream necked up 338 brass that I can remember. Course, I didn't have a neck reamed at False Is where I lived. So I used a new Valhalla flat chisel bit file. I had lots of time in the winter when snowed in.

I picked up a 416 Taylor recently. I bought 416 Taylor Norma brass.

I didn't know they were producing Taylor brass . Good deal. It really is a Great cartridge.

Midsouth is the only place I found it listed.
https://www.midsouthshooterssu...rifle-brass-25-count
Not cheap, 60 bucks for 25 but no reworking and properly head stamped

M

Graf had them also.