How much should a 450NE rifle weigh in a Ruger #1 rifle?
The guy shooting one in the link video below looks like he's shooting a 45-70,how much recoil does this round have?sorta like a 458Lott?
Where can i find load data for the 450NE?
If Hornady is now makeing the ammo/brass...Who makes rifles in this round nowdays?
I'am thinking about finding one of those ruger#1 rifles but read somewhere they only weigh 7 1/2pounds in this caliber....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAylHx7g5kg

I have shot a 450 NE single shot but a much nicer one than a Ruger. Would I rechamber a 7.5lb 45-70?
Hell yes!
The only issue I see is I want a faster twist barrel like 1/10 or 1/12

IMO a rifle chambered in 450 NE should weigh in at 10.5 to 11 pounds.
Owned a couple of 458 Lotts and they kick more than the 450 NE because they were pushing the same 500 grain bullet about 200-300 fps faster than the 450 NE.
With a good pad on the Ruger and a mercury recoil reducer might go as low as 10 pounds. Recoil bothers every one differently. What is harsh to me, you might like and vice versa.

It all depends on what recoil you can handle! It also depends a lot on if and what you reload. 300gr bullets dont kick much more then a 300WM and 550's recoil is severe. Check out the link below of full power 550's in my #1 (still factory weight!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gokFieBv8E

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Originally posted by blackbearhunter:
Where can i find load data for the 450NE?

The Hornady 8th has data, 350gr at 2450 and 480gr at 2150.

The Ruger has a 1 in 20 twist rate. A 45-90 might be a better option and still shoot 45-70 ammo. Lighter bullets in a 450NE would be fun as well. A 45-90 in a Ruger #1 should be able with max loads get close to factory 450 NE loads. Ruger makes their #1 in 450 NE in a 1 in 15 twist.
http://www.lipseysguns.com/pos...ddington-Series.aspx

10.5 or 11 pounds? On the weekends one could use it as a fence post.

Or just go all the way with a 45-120. Both 450 & 45-120 brass is made by Jamison with the same wall thickness.

Changing from 45-70 to 45-120 would be simplist and would wind up with the umph as a 450 NE.

The 450-3.25 aka 450 N. E. is a balistic twin to the 470 N.E. for all practical purposes, and in my opinnion perhaps an even better choice of caliber that the 470 and I say perhaps. It and the much lighter 450-400-3" are my all time favorite double rifle calibers and both are available or have been from time to time in the Ruger No.1, both my favorite choices..I would prefer an 11 pound rifle in 450 N. E. caliber..

An original load can be copied in the 450-3.25 wit 84 grs. of RL-15 with a 480 bullet. MV is about 2000 FPS plus.

The only load I hunted with in my WR was 93 to 95 grs. of IMR-4831 for about 2150 FPS with the 95 gr. load and a 500 gr. bullet in my gun.

It would easily be suitable in that stronger Ruger action and could be used as a starting load in a Ruger No. 1...

Years back I had local smith Kevin Wyatt ream a No. 1 in .458 to .450 NE. The slightly larger head cleaned up the belt just fine. Recoil wasn't particularly pleasant and nearly identical to .458, but in those days I didn't have access to Limbsavers, and had not thought to add weight to the through-bolt hole in the butt.
I came up with this spectacular idea after reading another of Ross Seyfried's pieces on the .450 in Rifle or Handloader, and had to have one.

I have one of the factory Boddington series rifles chambered in 450NE 3.25". It weighs 7.56 pounds.
It recoils pretty hard with a full tilt load of 115gr of H4831sc or 110gr of VV560 behind a 500 grain bullet. I haven't chrono'd it yet, but it should be pushing north of 2400fps.

In the hands of a stout and determined man, it's certainly shootable even at 7.5 pounds.

Tony

The Ruger No.1 in .458 WinMag or .458 Lott is perfect for rechambering to 450 NE 3.25" Thin Rim of 1898,
the one that started the Nitro express genre.

It is closer to 9.5 pounds than 7.5 pounds, and the twist is 1:14" not 1:20".

Some are allowing confusion here over the 45-70 with 22" light barrel of slow twist versus the the other .458 Ruger No.1 rifles,
that have heavier 24" barrels with faster twist.

A Ruger No.1 or No.3 in 45-70 rechambered to 450 NE would be just for laughs.
For real comedy, why not go all the way and make it into a 460 Wby?

There's been a thread in the Single Shot forum on this. As I stated there, I have done this before(45/70 to 45/120). Did it years ago when brass was first available. I actually found that the twist wasn't much of a problem with full house loads, but the recoil of 460 WM class loads in a No 3 (with swapped wood) was too brutal to keep doing. The problem with backing off is that the 45-120 has such a large case, you are forced to use fillers for any reasonable load.

I just like the looks of the 45-120 case, but the 45-90 is probably the really best choice. The 45-70 is almost there in the No. 1, and I think the 45-90 would be about perfect in a light rifle. If I wanted a heavier rifle with more power, I would just get a Lott and keep it stock. I really see no advantage in the 450 unless you just want one. The rim thing seems like a big deal, but I have shot and owned a lot of No 1's since the sixties, both standard and custom rebarrels, and have never, ever had a failure to extract. The fact is that there is no functional difference between the two. In the design, the extractor is spring loaded and moves to the side around the rim when closing. If it would pop off one, it could pop off the other. I have a selection of spare extractors I bought to use when rebarreling actions, and have never used any of them. I found that none of them seem to fit without some hand work, and I have never found an extractor in an action that didn't function perfectly with the new round. (I have never modified a small head action).

It may just be me, but I have a No-1 that was a 45-70, its been rechambered to 450nitro, and I find that with full house loads it is pleasent for a short time, much more fun with the older BPE loads