with the soon to be released ruger specs...

who is gunna make a 395, 411, 416 and 423 ruger?

conect and split the cost for reamers ect.

I do not think the .375 ruger will fail !
I think the round will be a sucses.
I have a model 70 classic sitting here chamberd for the .338 win. I also have a couple FN actions sitting here.
Should be a lot easier to Build a custom for DG hunting with the new ruger round than it would with the H&H length.
I second the .358 Ruger talk.
Now the brass and die thing is clearly a non issue.
It reminds me when I bought one of the 1st 10mm colt delta models I had dies and brass but it was weeks before I got bullets.
Point being its all in the pipe line.
A 416 & 458 Would as deadly as anything.
I think they are on to somthing here somthing good as a matter of fact.
that alaskan version would probably make a great rifle for fishing guides in Grizlly country, if a particular guide wants more power than a 45/70...tj3006

What sort of velocity would a 416 Ruger produce? 458 Ruger?

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Originally posted by bulldog563:
What sort of velocity would a 416 Ruger produce? 458 Ruger?

Merely a guess here....the 416 Ruger would be somewhat but not much better than the 416 Rem Mag and the 458 Ruger very favorable with the 458 Lott

Do we think that the .416/.375 Ruger can get to 2400 with lower pressure than the .416Rem? How much lower? In a std. action? How many down? gduffey

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Originally posted by boom stick:
with the soon to be released ruger specs...

who is gunna make a 395, 411, 416 and 423 ruger?

conect and split the cost for reamers ect.

Boomstick
assuming the brass becomes reasonably priced.....and it's possible... I believe a lot of 7mm mags and 300 mags and 338 mags will be simply rechambered and remain their original calibers.

As to necking up, within three months there will be folks having necked it up to every conceivable bullet. It wouldn't surprise me at all the Hornady/Ruger introduce the 416 Ruger very quickly after the 375 dust settles.

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Originally posted by gduffey:
Do we think that the .416/.375 Ruger can get to 2400 with lower pressure than the .416Rem? How much lower? In a std. action? How many down? gduffey

Pressures should be roughly the same as the Rem Mag and in a standard action and the number down will be the same as the Rem mag.....same diameter case!!

I think that the next caliber Ruger releases on this case will be a 308. Much less recoil for hunters not used to a 375, but a rifle that can handle long shots on deer and with enough power for elk and simply the most popular caliber in the U.S. A 338 would have the same problem as the 338 RUM with the OAL not matching where existing bullets have their cannelure; and 358's just not having the popularity they deserve. Ruger will chase the dollars available in a 308 caliber cartridge.
I'm sure that wildcats will quickly be available from 6.5mm to 458, but I don't know if Ruger will make anything else besides a 308 and 375 as they will be hard to justify to the bean counters. 45 caliber will be hard to reach with Rugers tolerances, 416 and 423 just don't sell enough on the larger side of things. As I've already said, 338 has problems with the cannelure on existing bullets, 358 doesn't sell well enough, nor do the metric 8mm and 9.3mm calibers. 7mm or smaller will burn up barrels faster than the 7mm STW; leading to inaccuracy and problems with their customer base. So I think that Ruger will stay with the 308 and 375, and let tthe wildcatters do their thing for the rest.
But at least we get a well designed, available case that fits a standard length action and can achieve full-length H&H magnum velocities without the belt or losing a round in the magazine.

http://www.z-hat.com/ReamerList.htm

z-hat already listing the reamers for 411 and 416...he's not taking this sitting down...good for him

anyone going to do a group pitch in for them???

Question: Can the .416 reamer be used along with another throater to do a .423 chamber? I'm planning on doing a .404 Dakota but the Ruger case might be a better bet.

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Originally posted by PostDriver:
Question: Can the .416 reamer be used along with another throater to do a .423 chamber? I'm planning on doing a .404 Dakota but the Ruger case might be a better bet.

Sure. But you mean a "neck and throat reamer" of course, not just a throater. And the .416/.375 Ruger reamer must have a floating pilot that can be switched to a .423 pilot.

Get a .375 Ruger reamer with floating pilot, then all the larger-than-.375-caliber wildcat pilots and neck&throat reamers to heart's content, including a .395 pilot.

I have 4 RIP's (Rifles In Progress) right now and the backlog is killing me.

I would recommend the .423/375 Ruger highly.
I would also recommend the .458/404 Dakota highly ... if you have the wildcat bug.

I am thinking I would not mess with a .458/.375 Ruger. Shoulder too small.

The 500 Mbogo will have a massive shoulder by comparison.

rip...with 10 thou body taper you will have 18 thou per side with the ruger brass...not big but doable...the dakota IS the best option

i am a little giddy that z-hat is doing a 411

boomie,
I have done the numbers and came up with something like 17 thou per side at the shoulder/neck step.

Agreed this is not as limited as the 10.75x68mm Mauser which has only 13.5 thou per side.

However, we are still making some assumptions about the brass which we have not even seen nor gotten the real numbers on: case body taper and neck thickness after necking up from .375 to .458 with the .375 Ruger brass from Hornady???

I am just playing it safe, using the 20/20 Law of Wildcatting.

Shoulder step (from shoulder diameter to neck-1 diameter difference divided by 2) should be a minimum of 20 thousandths of an inch and 20 degrees (semi-angle), "per side" at the shoulder.

i estimated 17.5 but hey...now i am splitting hairs

the 458 dakota is a neet project...kinda like the little brother to the 458 a.r.

that means you will like my idea of the 2.1" 458 ruger...it will have a 20 thou per side shoulder and do 405's @ 2100 like the factory 450/400!

it will work in 450 marlin lever actions and a lengthened marlin will be even better!