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Some of my favorites, maybe not well known, but good value IMHO. I "need" or "want" two of each: This one has been perfect on my 400 Whelen-Petrov, closest thing to a "both-eyes-open-true-ONE-X scope" that I have ever seen: http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...dual-x-reticle-matte Weaver Super Slam Dangerous Game Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 1-5x 24mm Dual-X Reticle Matte $519.99 Rebate available! Status: Available Ready to ship FREE SHIPPING Standard Ground   Product Information The Weaver Super Slam Dangerous Game Rifle Scope is one of the most technologically advanced rifle scope ever produced by Weaver. The Super Slam will stand up to the quality standards set by the previous generations of Weaver rifle scopes, but adds new advances to make it even more impressive. The lenses are fully multi-coated and have an extra hard coating on exterior lenses to reduce the chance of a scratch and the 1-piece tube is purged with argon gas which eliminates internal fogging. Add these features to the low magnification and you have the ideal scope for hunting dangerous game or for hunting in heavily wooded areas. The Weaver Super Slam Dangerous Game Rifle Scope is water, fog and shockproof and is covered by a limited lifetime warranty. Technical Information Tube Diameter: 30mm Adjustment Click Value: 1/4 MOA Adjustment Type: Click Exposed Turrets: No Finger Adjustable Turrets: Yes Turrets Resettable to Zero: No Zero Stop: No Turret Height: Low Fast Focus Eyepiece: Yes Lens Coating: Fully multi-coated Warranty: Limited lifetime factory warranty Rings Included: No Sunshade Included: No Sunshade Length: Lens Covers Included: No Power Variability: Variable Min power: 1x Max power: 5x Reticle Construction: Wire Reticle: Dual-X Illuminated Reticle: No Holdover reticle: No Reticle Focal Plane Location: 2nd Parallax Adjustment: No Finish: Matte Water/Fogproof: Yes Shockproof: Yes Airgun Rated: No Objective Bell Diameter: 30mm Ocular Bell Diameter: N/A Eye Relief: 3.9" Max Internal Adjustment: 50 MOA Exit Pupil Diameter: 11.4-4.8mm Weight: 14.8 oz Field of View at 100 Yards: 100.4' @ 1x 19.9' @ 5x Dimensions, in inches unless otherwise stated: A: 10.6 B: N/A C: N/A D: N/A E: N/A F: N/A G: 30mm H: N/A  ############################################################################# ############################################################################# Another ALTERNATIVE SCOPE to compare: http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...rman-4-reticle-matte Nikon Monarch African Series Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 1.1-4x 24mm German #4 Reticle Matte $769.95 Status: Discontinued  Product Information The Nikon Monarch African Series Rifle Scope was designed with the dangerous game hunter in mind. The scope features a wide field of view and generous eye relief for use on hard recoiling African rifles. When on the lowest magnification setting, the African Series Rifle Scope is perfect for shooting with both eyes open. Turn the power adjustment ring up to 4x for those longer shots. Your sight picture will be extremely clear and bright thanks to the Ultra ClearCoat Optical System. Although this scope is called the African Series, it also is ideal for hunting deer or wild hog in thick brush or cover. All Nikon products include Nikon USA's full or limited warranty. The Nikon African Series Rifle Scope is covered by a lifetime factory warranty. Technical Information Tube Diameter: 30mm Objective (front) Diameter: 30mm Ocular (rear) Diameter: 41mm Adjustment Click Value: 1/4 MOA Eye Relief: 3.7" Field of View at 100 Yards: 108' @ 1.1x 29.3' @ 4x Lens Coating: Ultra ClearCoat Length: 10.51" Weight: 16.93 ounces ############################################################################# ############################################################################# And the third entry in the trio for comparison, member whelenite made me aware of this one recently: http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...d-ir4a-reticle-matte  Sightron SIII Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 1-7x 24mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Red and Green Illuminated IR4A Reticle Matte $799.99 Status: Special Order Date expected in stock if ordered today: 10/28/2013 FREE SHIPPING Standard Ground  Product Information The SIII 1-7x is the ideal hunting scope for the hunter that wants accurate down range precision as well as the ability to quickly acquire targets at medium to close distances. With the versatility of the power range and the multi-level push button illumination in red and green, this scope will perform under any circumstances. The 1/10 Mil turrets are solid with audible clicks and are zero resettable with no tools needed. This scope comes with flip up lens caps and is backed by the Sightron Lifetime warranty. Technical Information Tube Diameter: 30mm Adjustment Click Value: 1/10 Mil Adjustment Type: Click Exposed Turrets: No Finger Adjustable Turrets: Yes Turrets Resettable to Zero: Yes Zero Stop: No Turret Height: Medium Fast Focus Eyepiece: Yes Lens Coating: Fully Multi-coated Warranty: Limited Lifetime Rings Included: No Sunshade Included: No Sunshade Length: N/A Lens Covers Included: Yes Power Variability: 1-7x Min power: 1x Max power: 7x Reticle Construction: Wire Reticle: IR4A Illuminated Reticle: Yes Battery Type: CR2032 3V Holdover reticle: No Reticle Focal Plane Location: 2nd Parallax Adjustment: Fixed Finish: Matte Water/Fogproof: Yes Shockproof: Yes Objective Bell Diameter: 30mm Ocular Bell Diameter: 40.1mm Eye Relief: 3.9-4.8" Max Internal Adjustment: Windage: 100 MOA Elevation: 100 MOA Exit Pupil Diameter: N/A Weight: 20.0 oz. Field of View at 100 Yards: 91.9' @ 1x 13.0' @ 7x Dimensions, in inches unless otherwise stated : A: 12.5 B: Not Listed C: Not Listed D: Not Listed E: Not Listed F: Not Listed G: 1.18 H: 1.57  | ||
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 I put this 1-4X Leupold on my CZ 416 Rigby. Please note the front rings. I could not get the front rings any further back or the rear rings any further forward - In other words this was mounted at the maximum forward position possible. I could have moved it BACK & had the front rings on the very front end of the scope & the rear eye piece closer to my eye. This scope had just come back from Leupold, serviced with new front objective lens assembly. After mounting this scope I found that the front lens was spotted and bubbly on the inside. I then bought a brand new AR Mod 1 1.5-4 X Leupold Illuminated reticle (exact size as the above 1-4X) and when I mounted that scope I had the same problem. The front lens had spots on the inside. Not a shot fired! I then bought a VX3 1.5-5X 30mm illum retice scope with a longer mounting area and that fit fine. The front rings were well behind the front lens. My questions are 1 Is the above mounting of the scope wrong? 2 Has anyone else experienced this spotting of the lens when the rings are so close to the lens area? NOTE: I used a Warne torque wrench as instructed and did not over tighten the rings. I sent this same info to the Leupold tech team and they did not think there was anything wrong with my mounting of the scope. They said that the scope was fine to mount on a 416 Rigby. I would be really interested to hear from others here on AR. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Ugly or not, if you want more light you need to have a larger objective lens. "The exit pupil is the diameter of the "light pencil" that emerges from the eyepiece. The pupil of fully dark-adapted human eye can dilate to about 7mm diameter, so an exit pupil in excess of 7mm is passing more light than the eye can accept. On the other hand, as the exit pupil decreases below 7mm, lack of light becomes the basic limiting factor to what you can see"  An exit pupil of 7mm is ideal but an exit pupil of 5mm can still transmit a pretty bright image. Exit pupil can be calculated by dividing the diameter of the objective lens (in millimeters) by the magnification produced. Examples - As you can see, achieving the 7mm exit pupil at higher magnifications eventually becomes impractical. A 10x70mm scope would be a monster. But a 10x50mm is not bad and gives a very good exit pupil of 5mm. I really like 6x in a scope. My favorite scope is a 6x42mm ZF95 Kahles military scope. It is 6x42mm for a reason. The exit pupil is 7mm (42mm/6 = 7mm). And now you know why the 8x56mm scope is so popular in Europe and why it holds such a great reputation for gathering light. The fact remains, if you want a decent scope to use at 4x, 5x, 6x, 9x or greater magnification, you are going to have to use a scope with a larger objective and that means a bell shape to both the front and the back. Another reason to have a larger objective lens is that light distortion increases from the center of the lens outward. It is better to use the center portion of a larger lens then to use all the surface of a smaller lens. But that's for further discussion. If you like the small scopes then get one and use it, especially for a big bore rifle. Just remember, even though those scopes are very light and compact, their usefulness is limited by their objective size. That is why they are low power scopes and why they perform best when set below their highest magnification setting. I mounted a 1-4x20mm scope on my .400H&H rifle. It will give me an exit pupil of 5mm at the max power of 4x and an exit pupil of 7mm for anything 3x and below. Having a scope of this size with more magnification would offer no useful advantage. By the way, it has a 1" diameter scope tube. A 30mm scope tube gathers no more light and is only bigger and heavier. . | |||
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RIP The Sightron looks like a great scope, though that bang comes at a pretty hefty buck($$$$). On the Nikon Monarch, the newer Monarch 3, 20mm has 4" eye-relief: Specifications Magnification 1-4x Objective Diameter 20mm Exit Pupil 5-20mm Field of View 23.1-92.9 ft @ 100 yds Tube Diameter - Other 1 in Eye Relief 4in Objective Outside Diameter 25.4mm Eyepiece Outside Diameter 41mm Weight 12.2 oz Overall Length 10.35 in Adjustment Graduation - Other 1/2 in Max Internal Adjustment 120 MOA Parallax Setting - Other 100 yds Waterproof/Fogproof Yes Spot On Custom Turret Yes Matte Finish Yes Use Centerfire Short/Mid Range AR (Modern Sporting Rifle) Dangerous Game Reticle German #4 So one would give up a little bit of sight-picture brightness, limited to 3-power for a full 7mm exit-pupil, but all-in-all a fantastic scope. I currently have a 1.65-5 on my 500 AR Nyati. It has a 7mm exit pupil at 5 power, 75yard parallax, as well as the 5" eye-relief in a very rugged package. I'm happy with 1.65 magnification upclose. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Nakihunter; Here is a Leupold 2.5X/20mm (on a 500 Mbogo, same action as yours) that is even worse for that problem than the 1X-4X/20mm:  If you notice my 2.5X/20mm has a Butler Creek cover on the end, but you can almost see the Leupold gold decorative-ring exposed between the front scope ring and the plastic slip-on cap. The scope cap does not fully seat, it is hanging empty near the end. I torque the de-greased ring screws minimally, and check for tightness frequently, and the ring and scope have silicone adhesive holding them together: Helps keep things tight with minimal stress on scope tube. I have so far avoided breakage of objective lens. Knock wood! That is one of those Weaver Grand Slam DG 1X-5X/24mm scopes in the pic also, it weighs about 8 oz. more than the 6-ounce-ish 2.5X  | |||
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Grenadier, I like the Weaver at 1x, and it is true 1.0-power, exit pupil 24mm! Makes my future so bright I have to wear shades!!!  Leupold 2.5X/20mm exit pupil = 8mm  Thanks for the technical analysis. Very nice. Very helpful.  416Tanzan, Great choices, no doubt. I need to expand my "Midway USA" catalog postings here ... | |||
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Or Natchez Shooters Supplies: http://www.natchezss.com/produ...tail&prodID=NK8446BR Nikon 1-4x20 Monarch African Rifle Scope German #4 Reticle Matte  The Monarch African 1-4x20 delivers a gigantic field of view, massive exit pupils and 1-4 power range that keeps you on target in fast “both eyes open” situations. FEATURES: Rugged, one piece main body tubes Long Eye Relief Fully multicoated lenses Ultra ClearCoat® for up to 95% light transmission Quick Focus Eyepiece German #4 reticle Waterproof, Fogproof, Shockproof Handturn windage and elevation adjustments SPECIFICATIONS: Magnification: 1-x4 Objective Diameter: 20mm Exit Pupil: 4mm Field of View: 23-1-92 ft @ 100yds Tube Diameter: 1" Eye Relief: 4-4.1 in Weight: 12.16 oz Overall Length: 10.35 in Adjustment Graduation: 1/2 in Max Internal Adjustment: 120 MOA Parallax Setting: 100 yds Light Transmission: 95% From the Nikon website:  MONARCH 3 1-4x20 German #4 Engineered For Speed and Precision This is the ideal optic for those seeking a compact, ultralight scope for fast target acquistion. With ultra-wide field of view, four time magnification zoom and generous eye relief, the MONARCH 3 gives you everything you need in a riflescope. Specifications Magnification 1-4x Objective Diameter 20mm Exit Pupil 5-20mm Field of View 23.1-92.9 ft @ 100 yds Tube Diameter - Other 1 in Eye Relief 4in Objective Outside Diameter 25.4mm Eyepiece Outside Diameter 41mm Weight 12.2 oz Overall Length 10.35 in Adjustment Graduation - Other 1/2 in Max Internal Adjustment 120 MOA Parallax Setting - Other 100 yds Waterproof/Fogproof Yes Spot On Custom Turret Yes Matte Finish Yes Use Centerfire Short/Mid Range AR (Modern Sporting Rifle) Dangerous Game Reticle German #4 Supplied Accessories Nikon Lens Caps Nikon Windage and Elevation Caps | |||
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http://www.opticsplanet.com/cu...ght-rifle-scope.html Leupold FX-II 2.5x20 Ultralight Riflescope $269.99  Leupold FX-II 2.5x20 Ultralight Riflescope Personalized by Leupold Custom Shop Product Info The following spec is for a standard model of Leupold FX-II 2.5x20 Ultralight Riflescopeimage. Please note that if you select one of the custom rifle scope options, the standard specs for the riflescope might change according to your selection. The Leupold FX-II 2.5x20mm Ultralight Rifle Scope will be appreciated by a variety of shooters. The Leupold 2.5x Ultralight Scope is appropriate on everything from large caliber rifles to shotguns and muzzleloaders. Crossbow archers will also find the FX-II 2.5 x 20mm Ultralight Rifle-Scope from Leupold well suited to their needs. The wide field of view and the generous eye relief allow for quick target acquisition. The 2.5x magnification makes Leupold Riflescope ideal for hunting in dense timber or brush. Available models: Leupold 58460 - Matte Black Finish, Heavy Duplex Reticle Leupold 58450 - Matte Black Finish, Wide Duplex Reticle Specifications for Leupold FX-II 2.5x20 Ultralight Rifle Scope: Actual Magnification: 2.3 Length (in): 8.0 Eyepiece Length (in): 2.3 Objective Length (in): ----- Objective Diameter (in): 1.0 Eyepiece Diameter (in): 1.36 Tube Diameter: 1.0in Weight: 6.5 oz. / 184 grams ..............  Eye Relief (in): 4.9 ...............  Eye Relief (mm): 124 Obj. Lens Diameter: 0.8in / 20mm Max. Adjustment @ 100 yds (in): 147 Max. Adjustment @ 100 m (cm): 408 FOV @ 100 yds (ft): 39.5 FOV @ 100 m (m): 13.2 Ring Spacing Max. Mount Ring Spacing (in): 5.8 Front Ring Space (in): 1.8 Rear Ring Space (in): 2.3 Features of Leupold FX-II 2.5 x 20 Ultralight Rifle Scope: Multicoat 4 lens system 1/4 MOA click windage and elevation dials Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee Package Contents: Leupold FX-II 2.5x20mm Ultralight Riflescope In addition to Leupold FX-II 2.5x20mm Ultralight Riflescope Personalized by Leupold Custom Shop, don't miss the other Leupold Riflescopes and other Leupold products offered in our store. Leupold FX-II 2.5x20mm Ultralight Rifle Scope can also be purchased without personalization and customization options. Please see Leupold FX-II 2.5x20mm Ultralight Rifle Scope for specifications and pricing details. Leupold FX-II 2.5x20 Ultralight Riflescope Personalized by Leupold Custom Shop Similar Products | |||
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http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...duplex-reticle-matte Leupold VX-3 Rifle Scope 1.5-5x 20mm Duplex Reticle Matte $399.99 Status: Available Ready to ship FREE SHIPPING Standard Ground  Product Information Shop more Leupold products The redesigned Leupold VX-3 Rifle Scope combines years of optical technology into one package to create a rifle scope that will become a favorite of hunters and shooters. The Quantum Optical System with Xtended Twilight lens technology advances beyond index matched lenses by specifically targeting the color spectrum that is most present in those critical final minutes of fading light, allowing you to clearly see targets for longer. The lenses also feature the Diamondcoat 2 lens coating which provides abrasion resistance and are edge-blackened to improve resolution by reducing glare. The precision twin spring erector has cryogenically treated adjustments to provide the utmost precision and 30 percent more holding force to ensure reliability. The fast focus eye piece allows for quick adjustments in the field at times when a split second might mean the difference between filling your tag and going home empty-handed. Every Leupold VX-3 Rifle Scope is water, fog and shockproof and is purged with second generation argon/krypton gas. Covered by the Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee. Technical Information Tube Diameter: 1" Objective Diameter: 25 mm Ocular Diameter: 41 mm Adjustment Click Value: 1/4 MOA Eye Relief: 5.3" .................................... Field of View at 100 Yards: 68' @ 1.5x 23.8' @ 5x Length: 9.3" Weight: 9.5 oz. ..................................... Warranty: Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee - Transferrable lifetime warranty against manufacturing or material defects. | |||
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http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...duplex-reticle-matte Leupold VX-2 Rifle Scope 1-4x 20mm Duplex Reticle Matte $299.99 Status: Available Ready to ship FREE SHIPPING Standard Ground   Product Information Shop more Leupold products The next generation Leupold VX-2 redefines high performance, durability and value. Featuring the Index Matched Lens system with lead free glass and edge blackened lenses, the VX-2 offers the brightest, most vivid and unsurpassed clarity of any rifle scope. Finger adjustable 1/4 MOA click windage and elevation adjustments allow quick and precise zeroing. A custom Dial System is available on 8 VX-2 models and provides increased long range accuracy. With Leupolds industry leading waterproofing with Argon/Krypton filling, you can be sure your scope can withstand anything mother nature throws its way. The sleek, classic lines and stylish gold medallion create a durable scope that is as functional as it is aesthetically pleasing. The ergonomic eye piece is now a true fast focus without the hassle of adjusting a lock ring. These scopes are covered by the unsurpassed Leupold lifetime warranty. Technical Information Tube Diameter: 1" Adjustment Click Value: 1/4 MOA Adjustment Type: Click Exposed Turrets: No Finger Adjustable Turrets: Yes Turrets Resettable to Zero: Yes Zero Stop: No Turret Height: Low Fast Focus Eyepiece: Yes Lens Coating: Index Matched w/ DiamondCoat 4 and Edge blackened Warranty: Leupold Lifetime Warranty Rings Included: No Sunshade Included: No Sunshade Length: N/A Lens Covers Included: Yes Power Variability: Variable Min power: 1x Max power: 4x Reticle Construction: Wire Reticle: Duplex Illuminated Reticle: No Battery Type:N/A Holdover reticle: No Reticle Focal Plane Location: 2nd Parallax Adjustment: Fixed Finish: Matte Water/Fogproof: Yes Shockproof: Yes Objective Bell Diameter: 25.4mm Ocular Bell Diameter: N/A Eye Relief: 4.2-3.7" Max Internal Adjustment: Windage: 125 MOA Elevation: 125 MOA Exit Pupil Diameter: 14.5-5mm Weight: 8.1 oz. Field of View at 100 Yards: 74.7' @ 1x 29.8' @ 4x Dimensions, in inches unless otherwise stated: A:9.5 B: 5.6 C: 2.1 D: 2.2 E: 3.1 F: N/A G: 1 H: 1.6 | |||
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Nakihunter: You can barely see the decorative gold ring on this Leupold 2.5x/20mm Ultralight just beyond the front scope ring. Glued with silicone adhesive, and not torqued too tight, this one survived too.  Likewise, another Leupold 2.5X/20mm Ultralight that survived on a 500 Mbogo. That's at least three that I have not destroyed:  | |||
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Only $2469.99, for the S&B below. I'd rather have two Weaver Grand Slam DG scopes (backup), plus pocket change instead of one of these: http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...ted-a7-reticle-matte Schmidt & Bender Zenith Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 1.5-6x 42mm Flashdot Illuminated A7 Reticle Matte   Product Information Shop more Schmidt & Bender products Whether they're fast and far away African animals or large North American game, the Zenith scopes have something for every shooter. Zenith scopes also feature a POSICON display that permits for easier sighting in. All models feature a large objective and a large field of view. Waterproof, fogproof, shockproof and has multi-coated lenses. Includes protective lens covers and a 30-year warranty. Technical Information Tube Diameter: 30mm Objective Bell Diameter: 50mm Ocular Bell Diameter: 43mm Adjustment Click Value: .36 moa Eye Relief: 3.7".............................  Exit Pupil Diameter: not listed by manufacturer Field of View at 100 Yards: 60' @ 1.5x .................................. Just OK? 19.5' @ 6x Dimensions, in inches unless otherwise stated: A: 12.2" B: 5.1" .............................. It won't fit on a .416 Rigby without some extension rings or some such machinations ... C: 2.2" D: 1.9" E: 3.4" F: 3.7" G: 50 mm H: 43 mm Weight: 21 oz ..............................Not too bad for a full-featured S&B Hog, illuminated, etc. ... Accessories: Plastic protective lens covers Warranty Information: 30- year warranty, but only the first 10 years of which is cost free. Notes: Waterproof, fogproof, shockproof Multi-coated lenses Includes 3 volt CR 2032 lithium battery | |||
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If the rings are too far apart for your scope then all you need to do is get an extension ring. They make them for nearly every type of scope mounting system. For standard Ruger bases  For Leupold dove-tail bases:  For Weaver bases:  . | |||
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Yes, but extension rings are often higher in height than necessary. Is there a CZ extension ring? The add-on picatinny base on top of a CZ is unacceptable for a DGR. Tried it. Weaver bases added with screws/epoxy/solder to a CZ so it can use Weaver rings, again adds height, and well, uh ...  ... tried that too.I'll be looking for CZ extension rings ... and hope they are not any higher than the already too high standard CZ rings. Millett: I never use Millett except on rimfires. These are not for 550 Magnum:  | |||
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http://www.shop-cz.com/mount-c...tating-26mm/d-70647/ From CZ (OEM-ish): But probably not as strong as standard.Besides obvious mechanical deficiencies, might be cast metal similar to Millett if not properly heat-treated.   | |||
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With the S&B you won't need a back up - Its that good, so more confidence for the user in his product. Secondly, Comparing weight of a straight tube scope to the x42 S&B isn't fair, why not compare it to their straight tube model, or the Z6 1-6x24 with EE instead? Also Illuminated reticle is a plus point compared to its absence on your Weaver Scope where you need 2 in case it fails. If I had a choice I'd always take the illuminated reticle on a scope over one without. 3.7" Eye relief has you worried? Like I told 416Tanzan on a seperate thread, you guys need to learn to hold onto your rifles, you aren't shooting a 22lr you know I have an older S&B 1.5-6x42 on my 416 Rem Mag, with a full 3.2" of Eye Relief and I still have my face intact  Unless you mounting these on a 500 Jeffery, I think 3.7" of Eye relief is more than enough for your .40 Calibres"A peculiar virtue in wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts, they are dictated by his own conscience, rather than by a mob of onlookers. It is difficult to exaggerate the importance of this fact." | |||
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Well, 3.7" inches eye-relief SHOULD be enough. Until there is an accident, of which I've seen a few when others have been using my rifles. If they can do that with 4" eye-relief I shudder what to think if it had been 3". And I load my Rigbys up to 505 Gibbs power levels (6200 ftlb muzzle energy). So I would argue that eye-relief should go into the overall equation, along with reliability, clarity, magnification, reticle, and rifle fit. Reliability is also difficult to measure statistically, but Michael458's testimony on shooting thousands of big bore rounds annually means something when he says that he was shipping off scopes on a regular basis until he switched from Leupold to Nikon. Yes, Leupold provides great customer-friendly service, but that means less when one has rifles based in Africa. He has not had one Nikon break, after about 20 Leupolds. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Thanks RIP & others. Very helpful. I got a PM from another member who was very helpful in identifying that the ring can cause uneven pressure if it is not a perfect semi circle. My 1 inch rings did "catch" on the scope tubes when installing and they did not allow the scope to be turned easily. they marked the tube more than any other set of rings I have ever used. Also interesting that people now swear by Nikon for DG rifles! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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A one piece ring base + rings is available from Czechia that has the rings set closer together than the mounting clamp area. I got one of these last year hand delivered. It fits a Nikon Slughunter (4.75" mounting space) on a CZ 550 Safari (5.1-5.2" minimum). It currently sits in Africa as a backup because I haven't switched the 2-8 Nikon Monarch yet. Supposedly, the Nikon Inline Muzzleloader scopes, 3-9 power and 5" eye-relief, provide 5.34" mounting space according to an email from Nikon. I've ordered one for a new 416Rigby. If there has been a typo, Midway has a forgiving return policy as long as the scope was not mounted. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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And when you are walking or stalking, trip over something, fall on your rifle scope and break the crap out of it????? Nahhh.. you never need a backup eh? There are other things that happen.... This particular instance happened to 3 guys I know, that all took my advice and carried spare scopes set up for their rifles, and in each case they used Leupold QRW Rings and bases, and switching scopes out was simple, and lost almost no time in the field because of the accident.... No matter how good you think your kit is, and regardless what you PAY for it, bad things happen.... Best be prepared for the worst case scenario if at all possible! Just because your ego says you paid $2500 for it don't mean it is 100% fool proof against everything that comes along....... Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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I have an old 1-4x20 nickel scope in the drawer. Completely straight with good eyerelief. German post reticle. I just need a rifle to fit it to. Modern day version is at http://www.nickel-ag.com/en/pr...s/scopes/1425cx.aspx | |||
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On a big bore of 40 caliber and over I like a 20 MM objective as they can take a lick'en and keep on tick'en.. My all time favorite scope has been the 3X fixed Leupold up to and including the 40 calibers, but it won't take the 458 Lott and larger bore recoil. MOstly I use them on my 9.3x62, 7x57, and sometimes my 375 H&H. Its nice on 99 Savage rifles also. Its just a great scope.. I also like the Leupold 1x4x20 and the 1.5x5x20 on the .338, 375, and 40 calibers..My 338 presently carries a 2x7x33. On a 458 Lott and up I only use one scope and thats the 2.5x20 Leupold..Its the worlds toughest scope of that I am positive. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Wrong.... I have busted those too..... http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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I had a Trijicon 1.24x4x24 break on my 416 B&M. sent it back-took, 4 months to hear from them. CS said the scope was un-repairable due to a dent--that I don't remember on the scope. Up shot is the have offered to sell me a new scope at dealer cost. I am NOT happy with their customer service or their warranty work. Love the scopes but this has left a bad taste. SSR "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
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Good to see you Sean! That is the first Trijicon I heard of issues with. I have one, have not had a problem but I do admit it has probably only had a couple of hundred rounds shot with it. Customer service don't sound as good as many like companies??? Customer Service can make or break a company! M http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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I would never own a 500 Jeffery, as a matter of principle. But I do mount these scopes on 500A2, 500 Mbogo, 12.7x68mm(49-10), and 500 Bateleur, all capable of greater than 500 Jeffery classic ballistics. Hey! A Swarovski "Bird" would look great on a 500 Bateleur rifle! | |||
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That is very interesting indeed! Very light for size: Huge 36mm tube and 30mm objective glass, and only 13.2 - 14.3 oz. depending on illuminated or not! But how much do the 36mm rings weigh?  Nickel 1-4x25 CX without rail Model Nickel 1-4x25 CX Nickel 1-4x25 CX (Isodot) weight 375 g (13.2 oz.) 404 g (14.3 oz.) ocular tube diameter 36 mm (1.4 in.) middle tube diameter 30 mm (1.181 in.) objective tube diameter 30 mm (1.2 in.) length A 279 mm (11 in.) B 99 mm (3.9 in.) C 69.25 mm (2.7 in.) D 66.75 mm (2.6 in.) G 12 mm (0.5 in.) magnification 1 - 4 effective lense diameter 18 - 25 mm (0.7 - 1 in.) exit pupil 18 - 6.25 mm (0.7 - 0.2 in.) twilight efficacy 4.2 - 10 field of view 32 - 10 m at 100m (96 - 30 ft. at 100 yd.) 36 - 10 m at 100m (108 - 30 ft. at 100 yd.) eye relief 80 mm (3.1 in.) adjustment range 360 cm/100m (129.6 in. at 100 yd.) adjustment per click 2 cm/100m (0.72 in. at 100 yd.)  Illuminated Reticle Isodot Subtension: Dot 1x 22 cm/100m 7,91 in/100yd 4x 5,5 cm/100m 1,98 in/100yd  Reticle 4 Subtension: Horizontal post distance 208,6 cm/100m 75,1 in/100yd Crosshair 3,5 cm/100m 1,27 in/100yd Post 35,1 cm/100m 12,65 in/100yd | |||
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Sorry to hear that! I need a Trijicon and an illuminated Nikon and a straight tubed S&B and Swarovski speced out here ... just to be fair for Deon. | |||
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Michael458: Just because you have busted them does not make Ray wrong! That is some kind of logical fallacy ... beats me which one ... but doesn't make me wrong either.  | |||
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Agree, Leupold makes a reasonable back-up scope. As a primary scope, I will take a S&B or similar over a Leupold any day...Always take a back-up.. | |||
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http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...en-dot-reticle-matte Trijicon AccuPoint TR24 Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 1-4x 24mm Dual-Illuminated German #4 with Green Dot Reticle Matte $892.50 Status: Available Ready to ship FREE SHIPPING Standard Ground   Product Information Shop more Trijicon products With advanced fiber-optic/tritium aiming-point illumination, the Trijicon AccuPoint Rifle Scope speeds target acquisition and extends available shooting hours. The dual-illumination, fiber-optic system automatically adjusts aiming-point brightness to existing light conditions. This provides hunters optimum aiming-point illumination and ideal reticle/target contrast. The result: lightning-fast precision aiming in any light without failure-prone batteries- for maximum shooting success. Optics have a lifetime limited warranty, with a 15 year guarantee on the illuminated reticle. Technical Information: Trijicon AccuPoint Rifle Scope Tube Diameter: 30mm Objective (front) Diameter: 30mm Ocular (rear) Diameter: 42mm Adjustment Click Value: 1/4 MOA Eye Relief: 3.2" Field of View at 100 Yards: 97.5' @ 1x 24.2' @ 4x Lens Coating: Fully multi-coated Length: 10.3" Weight: 14.4 ounces | |||
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http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-1-...ikon+monarch+african   Nikon 1.1-4x24 Monarch African Riflescope (Matte, Illumiated German #4 Reticle) by Nikon Be the first to review this item List Price: $1,300.95 Price: $993.66 & FREE Shipping. Details You Save: $307.29 (24%) Only 1 left in stock. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Want it Monday, Sept. 9? Order within 13 hrs 10 mins and choose One-Day Shipping at checkout. Details Riflescopes designed for big game hunters, with ultra-wide fields of view Four full inches of eye relief, along with lower power range, keeps shooters on target in fast, "both eyes open" situations 1/4 MOA adjustment means quick, sure sight-in; large field of view gets you on target fast 1.1X to 4X actual magnification; 24-millimeter effective objective diameter; 10.51-inch length and 16.93-ounce weight Includes limited lifetime manufacturer's warranty Nikon's fully multicoated optics to handle fast shots with dangerous game http://www.chuckhawks.com/niko...arch_african_1-4.htm Nikon Monarch African 1.1-4x24mm Illuminated Reticle Riflescope By the Guns and Shooting Online Staff  Nippon Kogaku K.K. (Nikon) is perhaps the most respected name in Japanese optics and they have offered riflescopes to discriminating hunters for many years. Nikon's transferable Full Lifetime Warranty covers Monarch riflescopes. No receipt or registration card is required. New in the Nikon riflescope line for 2010 is the four-star-plus Nikon Monarch African 1.1-4x24mm Illuminated Reticle riflescope that is the subject of this review.The typical dangerous game scope sold today is a low powered variable magnification model with an illuminated reticle (IR). While a fixed power scope of around 2x or 2.5x used to be the popular choice for a dangerous game rifle and is still a good choice, a modern low power variable in the 1-4x range offers a greater field of view at low power and potentially greater accuracy for the occasional long shot at its maximum magnification. Even when set to its maximum magnification, however, a good variable power dangerous game scope should offer sufficient field of view to allow the hunter to respond immediately to a short range charge by a large animal. A maximum magnification of about 4x is about ideal and 6x represents the absolute upper limit of allowable magnification (and restricted field of view) for a dangerous game scope. This safety requirement eliminates hunting scopes in the 2-7x (and higher magnification) range from consideration. Basic features of the Monarch African include a one-piece 30mm main tube, fast (Euro style) eyepiece focusing, fully multi-coated optics, German #4 (three post and crosshair) reticle with an illuminated center dot for visibility in very low light and a 1.1x minimum magnification to maximize the field of view. The external finish is an attractive matte black. Threaded aluminum caps protect the adjustments and a small, gold Cape buffalo head and the legend "Monarch African" decorate the windage cap. With its straight main tubes (no objective bell), the new African has plenty of mounting latitude and can be mounted low over the rifle's bore for fast acquisition in snapshooting situations. Lens caps are included. Specifications Part #: 8447 Clear aperture: 24mm Main tube diameter: 30mm Reticle: German #4 (with illuminated center dot) Finish: Matte black Overall length: 10.51" Objective outside diameter: 1.18" Ocular bell diameter: 1.72" Weight: 16.93 oz. Actual magnification: 1.1x to 4.0x Exit pupil: 6mm (4x) Field of view at 100 yards: 29.3' to 108.0' Eye relief: 3.7" (94mm) constant Parallax free: 100 yds. Elevation adjustment range: 80 MOA Windage adjustment range: 80 MOA Adjustment click value: ¼ MOA Battery for IR: CR-2032 Country of origin: Japan 2010 online price: $859.95 (Midway USA) The finely knurled, aluminum zoom ring is smooth in operation and features a square tactile bump over the 2x position. The Euro style fast focus adjustment is by means of a knurled aluminum ring with a rubber eyebrow protector at the rear of the ocular bell. The windage and elevation adjustments click in precise, but closely spaced, ¼ MOA increments; these adjustments are very accurate, positive and repeatable. The combined illumination rheostat dial and battery case is located on top of the ocular bell at the 12-o'clock position. We do not prefer this location, although it is common, as it makes the scope bulkier and can interfere with turning the zoom ring. There are click stop intensity settings and a choice of a red or green center dot. The "off" position is in the middle of the dial, between the red and green illumination intensity scales. The illuminated dot at the center of the crosshair is bright enough to be used in daylight, if desired. We found the red dot more visible than the green dot against foliage. In dim light, as during pre-dawn, twilight or nighttime, the IR worked well and provided a highly visible aiming point. When switched off, the dot disappears, leaving the intersection of the crosshairs as the precise aiming point. We tested the scope on a CZ Safari Grade bolt action rifle chambered for the powerful 9.3x62mm cartridge, an all-around African big game hunting cartridge. It was easy to mount, but 30mm mounting rings are required; these are not as common as 25mm (1") rings. Once mounted, everything about the Monarch African worked exactly as advertised. There were no problem with the Nikon scope during our time at the range and everyone on the Guns and Shooting Online staff commented positively about the scope's clear optics. This scope is optically excellent. It provides sharp, contrasty views of the target and optical aberrations are well controlled. Internal flare suppression is good. The field of view at the lowest magnification setting (1.1x) is huge, 108' at 100 yards. We recently reviewed a number of safari type scopes and the optical quality of the Monarch African was among the best of the bunch. (See the article, "Compared: Dangerous Game Riflescopes from Zeiss, Weaver, Leupold and Nikon.") It also has good eye relief, suitable for hard kicking rifles, and an adequately generous eye box for rapid target acquisition. Unlike many European and Euro-style scopes, the Monarch African's German #4 reticle is located in the second image plane, which means that it does not change size as the magnification is changed. This is the kind of reticle with which we prefer to hunt. Our overall impression of the Nikon Monarch African 1.1-4x24mm IR is that it is a premium scope, suitable for use on the finest safari rifles. We recommend it without reservation. You can see all of the fine Nikon riflescopes at the Nikon USA website: www.nikonusa.com | |||
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RIP- on the Leupold website these are listed at 3.7" eye-relief when on high magnification. You might check the source of that ad content. As for the logical fallacy and Michael's observation: Yes, it would not be a logical fallacy for 'the best' to also fail, so failure does not logically undermine a claim to be best. However, Michael was saying that he hasn't had even one Nikon fail yet. So that is 'anecdotal' evidence (that is, having too small of a statiscal base for a reliability determination). But it is evidence that suggests that Nikons may be more rugged than Leupold. Also, the failure does logically undermine the claim or implication that the Leupold cannot fail. So we're not saying that you are wrong, just that Michael is right. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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RIP...... I beg to differ, a little anyway... HEH.... Here is the deal.. Bold Statement Its the worlds toughest scope of that I am positive "Pun" intended...... Our boy Ray, fine fellow that I am sure he is, is a bit dated on many things, I believe this is also one of those "dated" things.... I dare say that it would be my belief that I probably put more big bore bullets 416 +, downrange than most anyone on the planet. 98% of that with a scoped rifle of some sort. As much as I do here, I can't even make that sort of statement. All I can do is report what is done here. I myself come up WAY SHORT on having tried every scope on the market, so there is no way that even I could make that statement, and I doubt any one of us actually can. There is where I take issue, that statement, not the scope or even model or make. I only had one of those and it busted, crosshairs went wacky and broke. I think probably the 30mm scopes are very robust.... I have not tried very many, only a couple. My problem with the 30mm scopes is the size, on my smaller B&Ms they look WAY TOO BIG... Bigger than the damned rifles, sit higher, heavier, big fat looking things. I just can't deal with them on a B&M rifle..... So I don't have any. Back when I was dealing with Leupold and they were trying to solve my breakage, the chief there wanted to replace all my 1.5X5 Vari and VX 3s with that bigger 30mm VX 7 I think it was. While that was a really good offer, I could not do it, told the guy it was just too big. I finally relented and he asked just to send one for me to look at and test, and I did. And as I knew, it was too big and I really did not like it. But, it was a very very nice scope, and I put it on a 50 B&M... Notorious scope buster extraordinaire, it is capable of busting a new out of the box 1.5x5 VX3 on the 3rd round out! Seen it, been there, done it. So I put around 200-250 rounds thru the VX7 and had zero problems or issues, but the size was just more than I wanted. So as graciously as I could, I returned it, thanked him, told him no issues or problems, and continued about my business..... I looked for all sorts of scopes at that time for the proper FIELD OF VIEW... Very Important Issue with me, more so than most other specs.... Eye relief of course, SIZE.... and so forth... What I came up with was Trijicon 1X4 German Crosshairs... Nikon 1X4 African German Cross... Little tiny Weaver 1X3.. and seems like something else but can't remember, have to look. I did not like either the Trijicon or Nikon, both little bigger than the old standby 1.5X5 Leupold I had been busting to pieces, but loved the size of it. The little Weaver was just not up to par for the bigger guns, glass.. eye relief, field of view.. Just not quite there. The Trijicon and Nikon had EXCELLENT Field of View, Excellent Clarity to my eyes, better than leupolds, excellent eye relief, excellent everything. Some aspects a little longer, little fatter little bigger than the Leupolds... But to date, I have not broken either of these here. Admitted, the Nikons get much more use and abuse here simply because of the price of the Trijicons... I may have 10 + big bores set up at any one time for shooting and testing... Set up with trijicons that is anything from $7000+ set up in Nikons that is less than $3000... So......ya see.... Me, no expert at all on this subject... Right? Wrong? All I can do is tell you what is working here and what is not working, and I am not in the scope business, and receive no monies from Nikon...  If they start busting today or anytime in the future, I will tell you about that too.... HEH..... http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Oh and I am off to the range right now to see if I can bust something.....HEH... Doing some terminals on that little 180 gr 416 bullet... can't bust anything with that, recoil is like a 22lr........ Later.... M http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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416Tanzan, Thanks for noticing. That was another chain-jerker. The by the 5.3" was because I have seen it listed as 3.7" elsewhere as you say, at Leupold:4.4" at the low-power end, 3.7" at the high-power end: http://www.leupold.com/hunting...pes/vx-3-1-5-5x20mm/ Actual Magnification 1.60 x 4.50 x Linear Field of View (ft/100 yd) 68.00 ft 23.80 ft Linear Field of View (m/100 m) 22.70 m 7.90 m Eye Relief (in) 4.40 in 3.70 in Eye Relief (mm) 112.00 mm 94.00 mm Hopefully that is an aberration, and all the tables are not typo-ed. If the Leupold 1.5-5X/20mm has 3.7" Optical-Spec-ER, then that is a very adequate amount, and I can get all the Physical-Spec-ER with that scope that I require. Nikon vs. Leupold: If Nikons are overall tougher to destroy than Leupolds, that is a good thing. I want to believe that. The last scope I bought was a Nikon. Looking for more ... | |||
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Michael458, Having grown accustomed to 1"-tubed Leupolds on monster-big, non-B&M rifles, I too am offended by the bulk of those 30mm-tubed scopes on any rifle! Just broke a wire reticle on one Leupold 2.5X Ultralight? Is that all? Was it the standard duplex or heavy duplex? Sounds like a faulty wire got through QC on materials, that is all. Happens even to S&B. Switching from Leupold to Nikon is akin to a religious conversion or a divorce. I may need a "therapist" soon. Now we await the latest research with .416/180-grainers at Mach 3 from a .416 B&M ... Keep pushing that envelope.  | |||
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 RIP.... Yeah, me too.... I have been hanging around since 2008. You know this part... But I always supported Leupold 100% before around a couple of years ago or so. Both of US did at that point, and I know we could probably find threads that both you and I would use nothing but the Leupolds... AT THAT TIME..... LOL.... I just got sick to death of sending them back to Leupold, having to change out broken ones in the middle of testing something, having 3-4 at Leupold and 3-4 broken ones to send, meant I had to have a LOT OF LEUPOLDS to keep running. It got to be too much. Now every Nikon I have may bust into a million pieces in the next week.. I don't know. But, I can say, since I made the switch over to Nikon, I have NOT LOST 1 Second of Test Work because a scope was busted. I have had ZERO DOWN TIME.. ZERO LOST TIME to this point. Does one need a back up in the field? 1000% YES... While we may find something we can't bust under normal conditions, we may fall and bust our ass, and the scope off the rifle in the field, all at the same time. So then, whattya Do? Have a back up, have very little lost time afield. I still use only Leupold QRW Rings and Bases by the way.. 100%. HE.. Now to enter data on the test just completed...... Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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http://www.schmidtundbender.de...ing/1-8x24-exos.html The Mother Of All Straight Tubes: Schmidt & Bender 1-8x24 Exos  On the latest Exos line scope the reticle and the FlashDot illumination are located in the second focal plane, therefore remaining constant when switching the magnification. The special feature of this scope is its CC mode in which it may be used parallax-free as a red dot sight with a magnification of 1,0. Its rather big field of vision (35.3 m/100 m) makes the scope your ideal choice for the quick shot on fleeting game. With more training the hunter may, when aiming at a short distance, leave both eyes open, thus always remaining on top of things. The scope will be an ideal support for the hunter during driven wild boar or buffalo hunting or when hunting other game which is well able to defend itself.  Unit: mm/inch A: 95,0/3.74 B: 66,0/2.60 C: 99,0/3.90 G: 30,0/1.18 K: 46,0/1.81 L: 290,0/11.42 Exit pupil 9,6mm - 3mm Twilight factor 3,9 - 13,9 Field of view at 100 m 35,3m - 4,9m Eye relief distance 90mm (3.54 inches)........... Basic click system Total adjustment range 1cm / 100m 1m / 100m Weight 550g (20.1 ounces)................. Going all the way with this one, so weight is surprisingly light. FlashDot Reticles FD0:  FD2:  FD4:  FD7:  | |||
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