Consensus here at AR is difficult but attainable. We should take applications from a couple more potential "Knights" so we can convert our Triangular table to a Pentagonal one.

The permission slip arrived today from the BATFE. Building of the .666 Teufel may commence with an enclosed reminder that a 666 Teufel constructed for any other use than Legitimate Sporting applications (IE Dangerous Game) would fall into the domain of "Destructive Device" which would require a different permission slip.

Anyone interested in buiding their own rifle can contact me for a copy of the letter, a case drawing, and details RE: the dies.

That will be a nice stunt, making a portable sporting DGR!

I am game. Send me the info.

I forget: Will the .666 Teufel chamber reamer clean up the chamber of a 50BMG if it had the barrel rebored?

I have decided on 1:15" twist, just speaking for myself.

Yes on the reamer.

Yes on the Info.

Yes on the twist.

Hey those guys in Iraq are toting around a 25 lb SAW plus 10 lbs of ammo plus all their other crap. A 12 lb bolt gun is normal for me so an 18 or 20 lb banger won't be too much trouble to carry around.

Certainly 18 pounds with a muzzle brake should be feasible. Hell, the 4-bore doubles were 24-pounders and if they were worth carrying, then a mere 18 pounds of greater lethality will be a breeze.

My biggest disappointment with all the 50BMG's I have owned and used was that the recoil was so light with all the weight and muzzle braking.

A braked 18-pound .666 Teufel should be satisfying enough.

congrats on the "mother may I"

cant wait to see it go boom.

I'll send you a "Care" package of things you will be needing next week. Would you like to scratch out the reamer or shall I? Oh exhalted master conjurer of reamers!!

.666 Teufel?

Zum Teufel 'mit!



Has anyone noticed that the bore/land diameter in metric is 16.66 mm? Spooky!

I have been seeing an inordinate number of triple six groupings of late. So many so that I was keeping track for a while. Then they all went away.

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
I'll send you a "Care" package of things you will be needing next week. Would you like to scratch out the reamer or shall I? Oh exhalted master conjurer of reamers!!

Macifej,
I have a herd of a half dozen turles I am riding right now. You better trail this one.

Can Do!!

Wonder if ol' Pete from Quality Cartridge has some BMG basic brass (if there is such a thing) he can form into the .666" for us while we await production brass from.......

The thread/project from hell that won't die...rises again...

The not so short answer is that one of us located some 50 Basic Brass and after some annealing and a trip through two dies - voila!! We have some formed but not yet trimmed .666" teufel cases.

I'll admit to some knowledge of this devilry.
Ed Hubel is the source of the brass.
It is about 3.940" long with about 0.016" neck wall thickness before necking down.

Folding in the shoulder and squeezing down the neck in the FL die (step one), then running the .666" expander into it (step two) makes the neck grow about .005" in length and makes it wall-thicken about .001".
This is very easily done with annealing (step minus one) and adequate lubing (step zero) before the sizing operations.

Rob should use that stuff for 12GaFH. Turn off the 50BMG rim and screw on a 12Ga rim. Voila.

Amazing coincidence is that both would still need to be trimmed to 3.850" length.

However, it sure is easier to make .666 Teufel Jagter from it, considering no rim hassle.

The one rim with red on it above is marked that way because it had to be filed down from an abberrant 0.810" diameter to make it match the other cases that were about 0.800" rim diameter.

I thought the .666" caliber was too scarey for normal folks?
No takers for barrel making subscription?
What action for the rifle?

Some sources list .662" and some .665" as the 16 Ga. bore diameter.

.665" is not as scarey as .666".

With .665" barrel groove diameter for a rifled barrel, you could make shotgun slug guns for standard 16 Ga. and call it the 16GaFH.
It would certainly be safe with any 16 Ga. shot shell ... you could make .665" brass slugs for it ... and if you were feeling really devilish, some .666" cast lead slugs for it: silver boolits.

Gets around ATFE approval with a rimmed 16GaFH 4"
but you could still use your ATFE exception letter when you made the rimless magnum .666 Teufel Hunter with an action suitable for 50BMG.

Barrels.
Is there enough demand for a 16 Ga. fully rifled slug barrel to at least get a .665" grooved barrel made?

Would that avoid the .666" turn-off?

Hopefully Ed will have some photos of the 16gfh up soon. made from swaged down 50 bmg.

Question is... who will make a 12 and 16 GFH 4"???

load out slugs to 4.5"

Can someone measure the inside dimensions of the HR 16 gauge rifled single shot???

Additional 16 gauge barrels can be ordered.

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp

Macifej,
I just looked at the listing for your .729"/1000-grain FN at:

www.SH-SuperPrecision.com

You have the SD listed as .297, an obvious typo. (Like I typo-ed the 1000-grain to 100-grain on first pass above.)

It should be .269 to 3 decimals.

Thanks for letting me know RIP!!

Will correct it ASAP!!

Yep - .269 is the number.

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:

Can someone measure the inside dimensions of the HR 16 gauge rifled single shot???

Additional 16 gauge barrels can be ordered.

boom stick,
I have only seen the Ultra Slug in 12 Ga. and 20 Ga., both with 3" chambers.

Hastings is converting the 20 Ga. to 3.5" chamber, so they say, but I have never seen one, nor the ammo!

Are you sure there are 16 Ga. slug guns from H&R/NEF?

Not to start any more divergent efforts but one could easily dupe the 12GA barrel in 16GA, upgrade the pivot mechanism and have a finished device with quite a bit wider range of pressures...

Oh, sorry. My bad. Got my gauges confused. Please forgive me.

Well, it seems like someone needs to declare the official 16 Ga. rifled bore, barrel land and groove diameters.
It does not exist?

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7873236

Mossberg made the 190 that is a 16 gauge bolt action but I dont think it is a rifled barrel.

Yes, that adjustable choke is a clue that it is a smoothbore!

Here is the chance for originality!
Is there no standard for the 16 Gauge rifled bore barrel?

Until "sumbuddy who know can proof it" ...

I hereby declare it is .665" groove, .655" land/bore, and a "Sweet Sixteen Twist," 1:16".

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Yes, that adjustable choke is a clue that it is a smoothbore!

Here is the chance for originality!
Is there no standard for the 16 Gauge rifled bore barrel?

Bet there was a "standard" for 16 bore rifles from the late 19th century...someone has to dig it up...check on some of the shotgun mfr sites who make the guns...

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Yes, that adjustable choke is a clue that it is a smoothbore!

Here is the chance for originality!
Is there no standard for the 16 Gauge rifled bore barrel?

Who would make the tooling and make barrels?

.665" will be safe for shotguns and the devil no?

quote:

.665" will be safe for shotguns and the devil no?

Ja...PM for barrels and tooling...

All the info I have seen says 662 665 and 667 that is kinda crazy... guess nobody wanted 666 lol Reminds me of the 400 caliber issue. 665 seems to be the best bet.

Well here's my logic...a .665 or .666 lead slug will safely go down the barrel of either the .665 or .666 tube. The .666" brass FN would not be advisable in a .665" shotgun barrel...

wont 662 lead slugs fill the 665 when fired?

Make em soft with a big cup shape in the back and thin wall section - sure.

I have poured through Greener, and he recognized the 16 gauge smooth bore as having 2 divisions:

"16/1" is the larger designation: .669" bore SMOOTHBORE
"16" is the smaller designation: .662" bore SMOOTHBORE
These were the proofmark stampings.


4- through 10-gauge smoothbores were divided into 3 divisions for each gauge, small, medium, large:
8, 8/1, 8/2

11- through 17-gauge smoothbores were divided into 2 divisions for each gauge, as with the 16-gauge above.

.729" smoothbore was "12"
.740" smooth bore was "12/1" and so on.

I find nothing about rifled 16-guage "bore rifles."

12-bore was a lightweight back then.
10-guage through 4-guage were the big rifles for big game.

I have never seen or heard of a modern 16-gauge rifled bore slug gun.

Need help from sumbuddy who know.

I still think there is no standard.
A new standard would have to be established.

20-gauge from hell 3.5" could beat a 600 NE.
12GaFH 3.85" beats a 700 NE.

Hard to justify a new 16-gauge rifled barrel.

This is sort of like the modern .395 caliber barrel.

All it takes is one nut who wishes to get the barrels made and then go begging for bullets.

What's with the fractions - never seen that before. Guess I should be reading Greener instead of Plato...