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Has anyone ever chronographed Buffalo Bores load (405@2000)? I’ve tried to get these ballistics with hand loads (don’t have my notes right now) but could only get around 1800 fps. At 1800 the magazine tube screw came loose and stripped. I’ve got a three Marlin 45-70s, the guide gun, the standard, and the cowboy (18â€, 22â€, & 24†bbls). I would never even consider taking any of lever guns to Africa (there are far better choices for that IMHO), but I think the above mentioned loadings would make good “pig†loads. As summer approaches & work is slowing down I might shell out some $$ for the Buffalo Bore loads and chrono them in my different 45-70s just to see what I get….. Matt V. ______________________ Sometimes there is no spring... Just the wind that smells fresh before the storm... | |||
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For the most part the lever gun in Africa is a topic for internet day dreamers. The last one that I know of whom brought his souped up Marlin in .50 AK turned into a fiasco of nearly biblical proportions. The troubles were of course quickly blamed on the PH. Thow, poor shooting sure as hell seemed to be the problem to me. | |||
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I have not chronographed the BB 45/70 loads,but I have chroned quite a few of thier handgun rounds and the majority got more velocity than claimed and the rest got what was claimed.I used 5/12" or 6" barreled revolvers and a 5" 1911 to chrono the loads......... _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Guess I will just have to order a box and take my Marlin to the range and shoot it through the Chrony. Doesn't look like anyone else has actual velocities from first hand experience? Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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I'm not the most traveled hunter by any means. I'm sure somebody is hunting with lever guns, but I've stood in line at the airport in Jburg, and I can't recall seeing a lever gun come out of a case. Same at the flight services at in Alaska with many hunters waiting to get in a float plane or tail dragger, never saw a lever gun. Been in line at the border in Mexico to get guns signed off, never saw a lever gun come out of a case. Billy, High in the shoulder (we band of bubbas) | |||
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i like the 45-70 as is but i am a rabbid wildcat guy too.  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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damn...sorry to hear that. i am sure he was pissed. as far as sights go the ashleigh express sights on the marlin are damn stout and the marlin has a scope so no issues there that a rifle does not have. someone here has done a rigby based lever gun but i'd have to find the post on it but the 450 ak is great. dave clay is making the 50 texan (a 2.3"case version of the 50-110) and i thought well why not use the original barrel and do the 45-70 version or 450 marlin version. but like i said. i am not bringing up the africa/d.g. thing...this is a 45-70 marlin thing. maxing out the 45-70 and the marlin and from what can come up with this is it! i am surrendered to the fact that a 45-70 is not ideal for d.g. but to bring up the reliability of lever guns i can not agree with. put some stout sights on it and a good ejector and it is more reliable than the holy m____r (please dont hijack the thread about the glories of m_____r's yes they are awesome.) 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomy is not advocateing excessive pressure, al he is saying is that .2" longer overall loaded lenght allows for more powder at the same pressure thus a small increase in velocity.I think some are going overbored with the blow up bs. This is the same approach that Wild WEST gUNS TOOK BY LENGHTENING THE CASE And calling it a 457 WWM..........  | |||
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J-A-H, Just saw where you live. Dang, I spent Christmas week in Rangely 10 years ago. It's the only place that I know of that I can't get there from here! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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give that man a prize! on the nose sir...you are actualy reading before typing with the knee jerking. (bad for spelling) lower preasure or more boom at the same preasure. if 400@ 2000 is too much preasure in a 45-70 than a long loaded 45-70 is not. marlins are rated at 40,000 psi. this allows you to shoot faster or heavier at the same preasure. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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"My point exactly. They took the approach but ended up lenghtening the case. Why?" Inorder to make more money. Simply put one would have to purchase loaded ammo and or case's from Wild West Guns. We do this in Revolver rounds all the time to acchieve more case capacity. Case in point the 45 Long colt can be loaded by seating the bullet farther out and therefore creating the same powder capacity as the 454 case.This is nothing new.....  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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j.a.h. my marlin is stock 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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jwp475 yes wwg is relying on the uninformed consumer. that said there is some added value to crimp on 45-70 bullets to prevent bullet walking...so i will be selling my 45-80 brass for $4.00 a piece and $8.00 for loaded ammo 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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j.a.h. dave cay is as close as a diety when it comes to marlin smithing and he actualy got the 50-110 to work in marlin but not reliably. it was his opinion that the longest case that will feed RELIABLY is the 2.3" case. he has gone to the cross, i am just preaching the gospel  he is an enthusiast not just a smith that can do the job. if you think i am nuts than he is certifiable. people here can attest to his quality of work and that he is not stupid hick overloading no tooth gunhack. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Any rifle that a loaded length .2" longer is used in will have to be modified to feed the longer COL. The only down side to the Idea. Boomy is not advocateing higher presures,Boomy is not advocating it's practiaclity ( same as the lack of practicality of a wildcat round).Once the gun has such modifications then the idea is certainly viable.......    _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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thanks...and has been done but not in a 45-70 version. this idea is keeping the same brass, dies and barrel.  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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your posts are great and with good points and questions, my point is it has been done and he knows what he is doing...me on the other hand 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Oh, I thought we were talking about the 45/70? Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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AMEN to that.. You see all these people say I can't afford to go to Africa or whatever, but yet they have 2 or 3 safes full of guns from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand a piece plus scopes etc. Then they go out and buy a brand new $45,000 dollar truck, and a 20k harley etc. etc. but yet they can't afford a Cape Buffalo hunt in Africa or whatever their dream is. "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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if a 50-110 will work a longer 45-70 will work 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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i have spent very little money wildcatting...i dont have a choice 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Don't feel bad boomstick, there are lots of Bubbas out there who are interested in the 45-70 topic. Just look at how intently this fellow is reading the thread.  | |||
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dan...keep your erotica off the forum 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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cavt seer th kbard top typpe...eys burrned otu... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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For crying out loud just get a darn 45-90 or whatever it is and put more powder in it and quit whining. I know 3 year olds that don't whine this much. "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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I can download my .458 to that speed.......Why don't you try that. Less pressure to.  Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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