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I'm new to the forum, and new to owning big bore rifles in general. I posted a few days ago about my .460 wby that I'm picking up from the shop either today or early Wednesday. Like I said, I'm new to big bores, and i've been reading several posts requiring reinforcement of the factory stock on CZ safari rifles. I don't own, and have never shot a CZ, but I've also never heard anything about the stocks having issues. I was surprised to hear that, and also a little bit concerned. Does the .460 require work like the CZ's do to shoot reliably and accurately? I'm not opposed to putting some more money into the rifle, but I was hoping for how much it costs that I could just get away with leaving it "as is" for a while. I'd much rather spend the money on the custom work than shatter a stock. thanks for any information. | ||
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Nick, My first advice to you is to load to "down" to a sane level, 500gr at 2300, rather than shoot factory loadings and/or pressure. The recoil at 2500 is bad, and if it makes the 2600 that some reports SAVAGE. Are you getting a plastic or wood stock? If wood, it SHOULD already have a pin down the wrist. The weatherby actions feed very well, especially the single stacks, so you shouldn't have any issue with feeding. You can buy an extra round floorplate and spring for $135 from weatherby If the rifle is new, and you are determined, I would take it, as new, and shoot the heck out of it, if it breaks, send it to wetherby jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Don't load it down to a "sane level." If you wanted a sane gun, you should have bought a .222 Remington. My CZ 550 in 458 Lott is at the gunsmith now getting bedding and crossbolts. My stock didn't break but I'm heeding the warnings; it's such a good looking stock I didn't want to replace it. I've never heard of Weatherby's having a particular problem with stock breaking so if I were you, I would shoot and enjoy; I doubt you'll have a problem. | |||
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I appreciate the advice, thank you very much. I'm really looking forward to putting a couple rounds through it this week. I appreciate the advice for loading down the factory ammo, but to be honest with you I'm looking forward to a good pounder. I wasn't overly impressed when I shot the .458, I figured it would hurt more then what it did. Are the .460wby rounds going to hit a lot harder then that .458? | |||
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YES.. I asked that you load it down so you don't get the "shot once, dropped once" lesson on extreme recoil. The weatherby FELT recoil, at factory loads, is more or less TWICE the lott. not the numbers, the felt recoil jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeff, Anyone who is 'new to big bores' and buys a .460 Wby. right off the bat needs to learn their lessons the hard way.  George  | |||
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I owned one several years ago. The only problem I had with mine was the magazine box. It was made out of two peices. One sort of a U shape and then a flat plate to close the U at the back of the box. It was attached with small tabs, sort of like, and I am not kidding, some of the old paper toys you used to put together...you know, tab A into slot B type assembly. After I took it to my gunsmith and had him solder it together I had no further problems. I shot several hundred rounds through it, from 2500+ fps 500 gr. loads to 300 gr. plinking loads. Never gave me any problems. Like Jeffe said, if fed perfectly. Enjoy yours! | |||
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Hey George....for a guy that started with a 470 capstick that's some statement.....  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I went to a buffalo shoot once and a guy had a couple of 460's that he was selling shots for. Two shots for five bucks. One was a straight regular 460 and one had a muzzle break. I saw one set of false teeth come flying out at the shot, a couple of sets of glasses come flying off and even lenses from glasses come flying out. I'll stick with my Rigby. Thank you Sir;may I have another! The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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best news i've heard all day. i've never dropped a rifle before, but i've never shot anything this big before either...not that dropping the rifle is in the plans for this week. i'm very much looking forward to this. i got the .460 for my first big bore so i don't have to listen to my uncles say "well thats a nice rifle, but if you want to shoot a man gun..." so i just went straight to the top. loading down the loads is starting to seem like a good idea for the first couple shots, but i don't have access to that stuff. my uncle does all my loading for me, so i'll be throwing some factory loads for a while. any recommendations on how to control this thing? | |||
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will you be shooting it from a bench with no muzzle break? I started off with the 450 barnes x..be prepared for a big push. Its not going to be a fast whack but a big push. If shooting from a bench have the rifle resting about the same height as your shoulder. So the rifle goes straight backwards. Dont hunch over or you will have the scope pattern on your forehead. I'll be looking forward to your report...steve | |||
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from my understanding of the mark V's, all of them from .378 up? have the accubrake installed. so the .460 will have one on it, and i will be shooting from a bench. i'm probably going to put the first one through it standing up to get used to the recoil. i'll give a full report when i get back, i'm really excited. | |||
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vapodog, After shooting the medium-bore .375H&H all those years, I figured I was ready for a 'man's gun'.  George | |||
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I had one of them once. I shot it a couple of time, then restocked it, then shot it and then sold it. I highly recommend the last step first | |||
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..If you are going to use a muzzle break shooting the 460 will not be that big of a deal. Try taking the break off and see what it is really like...steve | |||
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  Say, A fella could go from 223 to 550 express, just before we hand him a 460!!! jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I will say that shooting the 460 with a muzzle break will be an eye opener and ear opener ....for the people around him.. | |||
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It is my understanding that they do come with a "brake". I shot a 460 weatherby with a brake and the recoil is not all that bad but muzzle blast is a different matter, with full house loads. Just for kicks I shot that 460 without the brake and recoil was a bit more  ...I did own a 378 (without a brake) and did no modification to that rifle...it remains, to this day, the hardest kicking rifle I have ever shot..including 500 NEs. | |||
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Just a warning, BUT I had a pal that owned a .378 WBY and that caliber completely split the stock in half at the wrist area after about 80 rounds. He was shooting factory 300 gr. loads.  WBY DID replace the stock, but after his experience, he chose to sell the rifle, because it scared him so.  "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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Burn the stock in your fire place. Melt down the metal and recreate it as an Mauser 98 in .500 Jeffery  But that is only my humble opinion  | |||
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I would add a FOR SALE tag to the trigger guard and use the money to buy a CRF rifle.  | |||
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I have owned a 460 and currently own a 378. Start shooting standing to get the feel and get the longest eye relief scope you can find. A 1.5x5 Leupold works fine. Its especially fun to let them go under a covered range with brake attatched. Have fun. | |||
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I currently have a .460 Wby. I believe it is an older one with the porting drilled into the barrel. The holes are small. I bought it second hand from a gentleman that did not like the recoil. He also gave me a box of shells with one missing, the one he shot. I have shot it once also. That was enough. It felt like the brake did not even work. I also realized the guy gave me a box of the older .460 Wby ammo. It shows a 500 gr. bullet at 2700 FPS. It is a ridiculous cartridge. My understanding is that the current loadings are a little bit lighter. The rifle itself is beautiful; that is why I am hanging on to it. I doubt I will ever shoot it again. I have lesser big bores that will kill anything on the planet and not punish me as bad. "Big ears doesn't make you a good listener, but big feet will tell on you." - Mr. Bill Clinton | |||
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I am confused. What are we talking about here...a Weatherby Mk V or a re-chambered CZ 550?? The topic title says Mk V but the post says CZ. I have never shot a 460 Weatherby, but I can't imagine it would be a heckuva lot different than my 470 Mbogo, which I have shot quite a bit. I don't think I am Hercules or anything, and I find it quite manageable, especially with practice. Its a stock Ruger that was rebored, bedded, some lead shot added for weight (I think...I'll have to ask Dave E!) and a Pachmayer F990 pad installed. No muzzle brake. It packs a pretty good whollop for sure, but it isn't painful to shoot for the most part (extended bench sessions are not particularly fun). I can't really comment on modifications to your rifle until I figure out what kind of rifle you actually have. FWIW, Canuck | |||
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I read it as he bought a Mark V and wants to know if the Wby big bores, like the CZ big bores, need some attention up front. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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That's what I thought!?!?!  "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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The best aftermarket mod for the Weatherby 460 is taking it to a gun show and unloading it for something better. If you want a good beating take off the muzzel brake. Don't load it down, load it up to max! Then sell it! Make sure you don't drop it first. There is always a sucker out there-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I did buy a mk V .460, and that was what i was asking about. i mentioned the CZ for two reasons: because i heard about the problem with the stock and wondered if weatherby had similar issues, and secondly because im looking into buying a CZ safari and having it re-chambered for something like .577 t-rex. my dad does gunsmithing in his spare time and said he could handle it if he can find the reemer and whatever else he needs. but before i buy the CZ and drive 3 hours over to his house to drop off this gun, i want to know that when i shoot it, it will function as intended. i'm guessing with that caliber the stock will definately need to be reinforced, but thats for another post. Rob - in your opinion, what is wrong with the .460? | |||
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The T-Rex is a PIA to do. You can get plenty of whack and more pain than the law allows with a 550 Magnum and it's the easiest conversion by a large margin. Just a re-barrel and 700 gr bullets will reach 2400 fps. If you want more than that, I'd jump up to the 600 OK next but you need a lot more money. You'll need to convert to single-stack like your Weatherby and a muzzle break for sure. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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To add on to what TT said, the www.550magnum.com is a trivial upgrade for the 460 weatherby. Have it rebarreled, sights added, barrel block added, and get the weatherby "extra" one down box. the monsters in a "normal" action are 600OK 577 Trex 550 magnum 585 nyati 550 express. some folks may differ on the 550 magnum vs 585 nyati, but no one has both to load them the same way to find out.. in either event, both can be loaded past human endurance jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Well! There isn't much I can add to the quote above! All I can say is I won a MK-5, 460 Wby Mag, in a football pool, along with a box of factory ammo, and promtly traded it off for a FN Mauser sporter chambered for 375 H&H, that was 35 yrs old! The guy who traded with me fired three shots from it, and put it on consignment at the local gun shop, along with 17 round still in the origenal box of ammo!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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i was planning on keeping the weatherby as it is and getting a CZ for the conversion. I'm assuming thats what your talking about with adding a barrel to the CZ? I'm sorry to hear you did not like the .460, but what was the reasoning for getting rid of it? | |||
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Come on guys, he's excited about his new gun. I know many here don't like WBYs and I can understand that. Lets not crap on his new purchase by telling him to sell it before he even gets to shoot it. The 460s a ton of fun whether you take it seriously or not.From my very limited experience with MK Vs I don't think you should have any problem with the stock. My one and only MK V has a second recoil lug and was nicely bedded from the factory. | |||
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I have over a thousand rounds out of my unbraked 460. Never a problem. I would however get use to using it without the break. Start by only shooting a few rounds per session. After 100-200 rounds you will start getting use to the recoil.It will take time! I look forwward to hearing about your 1st time shooting it..AND it does do the job on DG..steve | |||
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My post was referencing building around a CZ. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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What is wrong with the Weatherby? 1. It's a Weatherby ( i.e Pimp gun). Appeals to those with money and zip experience. Ask any Real African PH. You'll be laughed out of camp! 2. Looks cheap, feels cheap. smells cheap 3. Terrible/abysmal customer service 4. Only Two rounds down( one in the pipe) std. 5. The action is a joke. How many custom gunsmiths start out with a Weatherby action? 6. Stocks are a bad design for severe recoil. 7. Triggers stink 8. The 460WBY will not meet advertised velocities. Mine only hit 2600fps with a 500 gr bullet with .006 case head expansion( scared me to death) 9. I've seen two fresh from the factory with barrels with internal rifling flaws ( 1 inch long section with broken/flaked off rifling) Borescope pictures. When returned to the factory they insisted it was just FINE. When confronted with the borescope pictures they suggested customer abuse and would not replace the barrel. Muzzel brake was also asymetric to the center of the bore. How in hell did that happen I wonder. 10. Ive had one( 244) that demonstrated good accuracy and three( 340, 30-378 and a 378 that would not keep 3 rounds in a 6 inch circle at 50 yrds. The only redeeming feature is that .460 Wby brass makes a great starting point for a 500a2! I'm no fan of Weatherby,as my expectations of a real DGR are way higher, but it's still a gun and goes bang, so if you keep your expectations low enough it's still fun! My intent isn't to rain on anyones parade and if you like a Weatherby more power to you, but my personal opinion of them is very low-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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nickblaze, Glad to hear you're excited about the new rifle. Don't let any of the comments ruin your time, if you end up really enjoying the rifle, that's all that matters. I have a .460, but it is built off a CZ. 600 grains loads are the worst for recoil, so if you start reloading and you want more recoil than factory, those will provide. You should be cautious of other people at the range with your rifle though, someone at my local range was shooting a caliber based on the .378 case and the blast from the muzzle brake was horrendous. I think I would have had to move or leave if I was on the bench next to him. | |||
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Enjoy your 460, Nick. I have an older one with the Pendleton brake. Shoots awesome!!! Yours should have less felt recoil than mine because your brake is more effective. I love to see the reaction of those around me when I shoot it. The blast from the brake makes them take notice. I recommend double ear protection when using the brake and taking the brake off in the field. You WILL feel the difference in recoil without the brake but it shouldn't be to much to handle, once you get used to shooting it. I prefer the 450gr over the 500 because I don't reload but even the 500 is manageable. Enjoy. | |||
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