Krieger barrel.
NECG sights.
NECG Barrel Band.
Walnut Stock.
Talley Recoil Screws, (yet to be installed).
I'm going to sight it in this weekend.

Hmmm. . . . . . . Gives new meaning to the term 'Barrel Band'. . . . . . .

you should email this to MRC

If it's any consolation, the Montana action I recently purchased off ARBay is smooth as a babies butt and feeds empty brass like water.

Patience is a virtue.

wicked good but there!

Rich

The guard screws aren't timed.

Rough, but Fair!

+1

You might want to put a better recoil pad on, that is going to "push back hard".

Von Gruff.

I was in on the "Charter Offer" for the 1999 MRC actions (Which if I remember correctly came out in 2003) and was signed up for one of the left handed PH actions when they were first announced, until they told us that they wouldn't make any lefties so I know how you feel.

Hey, you posted a picture of ScottS's .500a2!-Rob

Why did you go with the gaudy red finish instead of clasic green,you will never get your money back on that build.



THAT WAS FUNNY!

jd

So far so good??????

I was on the initial order for them back in 02 or 03. I had ordered 6 of them, glad I'm not still waiting for that to happen. I bought 3 other actions from them, and had to make single square bridges out of all of them because the rear ring avereaged about .023 lower than it should have been.

Rub line, that is hillarious

So whats the latest word on the PH actions?

quote:

Originally posted by cmfic1:
Rub line, that is hillarious

So whats the latest word on the PH actions?

If they can be rediculous, then so can I.

The PH AND Montana 1999 actions are not currently in production due to various parts being held up by one of their suppliers, which is now bankrupt. (This is per conversations between my ffl dealer and Montana Rifle Co)

I gave up waiting on the PH back in July, so I ordered a 1999 (knowing there was a 90 day back order at that time) just to be safe. Now I find out that the 1999 parts are tied up in bankruptcy as well. I actually don't mind the fact that the PH is set back a while, but I regret ordering a 1999 and feel they should have been a little more informative all along.

now you know why Shiloh Sharps produces everything except the stock blank and pallets of steel inhouse. Friggin' mice drag the elephant down.

Rich

Now folks please give then a break. When they
did the first 3-4 PH actions with final
balance of small parts for those few from the supplier
who went under, they didn't know he was going
under until after they checked parts for fit. operation,
and pressure tested, and was kind enough to send first
to me to test. THEN When they told him to send the
rest they were informed he was out of business
and whoever took over-- lawyers, the court, new
owners, etc; wouldn't release parts and tooling
that MRC had paid for. Rotten deal, and instead of
piling on we should all sign a petition and get a few thousand
more of our gun nut friends to do the same and go after
whoever is screwing Jeff and us.I am serious about this.

Here we have a chance as gunowners and big bore nuts to
get beyond action size limitatioms, at a reasonable price,
to get big cartridges into guns we want. Now there are guys on
here who have a 10,000 times more dollar and economic power than
me, and they all should get together along with the rest here
and across the net and help MRC, and raise so much hell with
the parties whatever/whoever they are and get parts and
tooling released as per the agreement of original company.
If I could find out who is doing this to Jeff, there'd be a
firestorm all over the net in a couple hours including FR.................
If the parties want a viable business from what they took
over they may not want the crap we and the net can
drop on them......Ed

this is absolutely why a small company should never pay a friggin' dime up front. I got faith in MRC, right now I still got faith. It may just take a while longer is all...

Rich

Ed, if you have time to get this petition going you should giver a whirl. I'm guessing alot of folks who have been waiting or may want one in the future would sign it. Heck I have no dog in this at all, nor could I see me needing an action this big, but I'd likely sign it too.

quote:

they didn't know he was going
under until after they checked parts for fit. operation,
and pressure tested, and was kind enough to send first
to me to test. THEN When they told him to send the
rest they were informed he was out of business
and whoever took over-- lawyers, the court, new
owners, etc; wouldn't release parts and tooling
that MRC had paid for. Rotten deal, and instead of
piling on we should all sign a petition and get a few thousand
more of our gun nut friends to do the same and go after
whoever is screwing Jeff and us.I am serious about this.

So why is Jeff not explaining this himself??? It ia his business and rep on the line, he should tell his customers and potential customers what the **** is going on. His last post was that the PH actions were on their way out the door. He sure has been quire about all this.

Keith

ps: I do not have a PH on order or anu other MRC action. I am HAPPY with my Lott.

He is telling folks when they call one on one and ask.
He has been through the ringer on all of this and
maybe feels that internet explanations aren't going
be believed after all what was promised and can't be
delivered on in the time planned on.. Some on
here have been or are in same boat
with other places we've sent money and nothing came
of it. Absolutely nothing in one case of mine.
At least Jeff has recievers, bolts, most all parts
there towards the actions. He didn't go to the Caymans
a gamble it away, or do the playboy bit with
our seed money, he put it to good use building actions
and parts. And then he got crapped on by someone.
It really is a rotten deal. If I find out who/what
there will be something done, that will get them
by the ...........Ed

A good bankruptcy lawyer is probably more valuable than a petition, but if he was not protected aganist the risk he may have no option other than offering to buy them from the estate (who else would want the parts?) at a dscount or ordering them elsewhere.

THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT LEGAL ADVICE. HE SHOULD CONSULT COMPETENT COUNSEL.

Could we find a bigbore gunnut lawyer, who
could help with future payment of a PH or two.
I want to find a way to help, if possible at all.Ed

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
And then he got crapped on by someone.


It really is a rotten deal. If I find out who/what
there will be something done, that will get them
by the ...........Ed

Dang it, Ed - being YEARS behind of schedule and payment is not a "rotten deal" .. its incredibly POOR management of the project.

If someone ordered parts from me TWO years+ ago, and failed pay, I would have sold the receiveable to a colleciton company and forgot about it.

Yes, its fact accompli that the vendor wasn't paid .. or MRC could demand presentation.

its dang bad business to not keep your vendor and suppliers up to date and not pay them.

Look, MRC is out SQUAT, those providing the seed money are funding this adventure.

You've got your action, one of the few .. don't defend them not keeping their end of the bargain.

Don't try to blaime shift to this "small parts maker"... NO ONE HERE has business dealings with the small parts vendor .. that vendor wasn't the trusted party, and no one paid the small parts vendor.

that is, in business terms, the equal to "my dog ate my homework"

Looks like a Hein action to me.

Regardless of the outcome, dealing with the Court's Trustee is not a fast process. Maybe by Christmas if MCR isn't compromised further by the delay.

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Looks like a Hein action to me.

I just talked to Jeff.---

A) He paid for tooling and whatever parts were made.
Enough parts to finish the first PH runs..

B) He has a lawyer trying to get his parts and
tooling, doesn't know how long it will take.

C) He is working with another company to start
making the parts, as in the long run he has to
have someone doing it.

D) He says anyone can call and get their money back.



Folks when we started the 12GA FH look how long it
took to get the first run of barrels. From a going concern
that was bigger. Or how long it took Rob and the
600 OK guys to get the first run of brass right.
I've waiting for powder to test, that was announced as being
manufactured by Alliant Tech Systems a year and a
half ago. And This is the biggest powder and ammo company.
Since he made the decision to go though with the
production of the PHs it has been only 18 months,
to get a company to set up to do the molds for action and
big parts, and start making the parts, and his guys machining
same then get them heat treating done right, and while doing
al of this get other smaller parts set up with tooling and
being made. Hell many times Ruger can't get projects
like this done any faster.

Please if you think you've been terribly treated
get your money back and give him the credit for
being honest enough to do that. Don't pile on.Ed

Ed

I wish them all the best, and hope the action takes the world by storm and is the biggest seller since the m98.

look, we've all been through this .. I don't consider it "piling on" .. its not being pollyannaish about this situation... No big bad man crapped on MRC .. a vendor is no longer able to supply parts, these years after the fact. That's it, plain and simple. Let's refrain from the "dog ate my homework" kinda comments.

LOL, i guess its the gun industry .. it SEEMS no one can deliver on time.

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
since he made the decision to go though with the
production of the PHs it has been only 18 months,

MRC is a corporation, and decided to do the PH action what, nearly 5 years ago? Don't play the 18 month since he "decided" to do it.. That's a project restart, after it was already 1.5 years LATE ... I am not hounding MRC, i am just keeping clear the facts of the matter. They also annouced "permanent" shelving of the project 2.5 years ago ..

really, let's all agree the project is VERY late, doesn't matter what timing games one plays with the project. It insults everyone's intelligence

A petition no matter how many people sign it will not mean a thing to the bankruptcy trustees or judge. The only thing that is going to interest either one is an offer of hard cash for the parts and tooling.

The main goal of the bankruptcy trustees is to maximize the cash return to pay off the highest amount to the creditors.

If MRC is a large enough creditor they can try to get on the creditor's commitee and try to get some input into the preceedings.

IANAL

Hollering about 5 years ago don't mean beans,
or dollars. They didn't take no money then.
Ok they made a prototype years ago. The were multiple
owners, some not wanting to do it. So they shelved it.
Some of them left, leaving it to Jeff.
I called Jeff in Jan of last year and told him that
some who left was going to have the company they
went to, gear up to do a PH size Action.
He decided to go into production, not wanting to
lose a potential good market.
That's about 18 months ago.

MRC has got lawyer on it, working to set up
new supplier.

I got a PM indicating I shouldn't defend Jeff/MRC.
What is happening . .It's getting crazy...
Can't folks make a call and get money back
and give MRC/Jeff credit for doing that.


PS- I wonder is it because MRC's success with the PH
might be a help in some others success.Ed

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
Hollering about 5 years ago don't mean beans,
or dollars\

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quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
since he made the decision to go though with the
production of the PHs it has been only 18 months,

It's not "hollering" ed, its making a statement. "hollering" about 18months ago doesn't make it so.

Are you MRC's spokesman, Ed? are you an employee?

No, I treated them nice and went out of my
way to encourage them and they have been kind
enough to help me. I make no excuses, their success
is my success. And all who want a big action to
work with.

I think that is what the GUNNUT fraternity
should try to accomplish.

Like cartridge deals.Like I am willing
to help others out with my 585 cartridge run to
have them in large quantity to shorten some
to make a 3" version, or any length, giving
a better design when made from mine.
Then we all have cases.

Same deal here- the more support and help MRC/Jeff
gets the more folks who will end up in the years
ahead having the PH actions. You can't keep the
wheels turning by throwing sand in the bearings
when on a relative basis we just waiting on
the chrome so to speak. Just one part. Ed

Ed,
I can call a trainwreck a trainwreck ..
don't try to make it an arguement of (well, honestly i don't get that) something .. the facts should stand for themselves..

ANY time you need to add "and they are being crapped on" means the story doesn't sell itself.

plain and simple

Well when you pay for tooling and parts and you
don't get them that is being crapped on I think.

I've had 2 other deals where I put up money
for starting something with gun guys and they didn't
do anything or get me back the money. Am I going to
beat on little guys in the gun business involved.
NO, because it might get fixed. I will bitch about
others outside the gun business, like
that supplier, who seem to be doing
a number on our small guy in the business.
And folks can say it is just business, but in this
instance how it affects me on down the road, it
has become a real big concern of mine. And I
will try to help MRC in anyway I can..
Jeffe says I'm whining to much. So maybe I
am. How about a positive approach that might help.

I'm going to suggest to MRC and all on here who are ready,
that maybe those with parts, barrels and ready with a smith
and stocks, scopes, etc , ship them the actions without firing pin,
spring, cocking piece and shroud so the work
could be going ahead on them, Save a lot of time.
And you could caress it, etc. Send it off to smith.
Or if you do it youself be getting it done and posting
pics and being happy and it helps advance big borititis virus.
It can be barreled and chambered, sight ramps, scopes mounted,
inleted into a stock, checkered, blued, stock finish, etc,
and you'd have floorplate, trigger guard, mag box as well.
And getting done while MRC gets last part(firing pin). When part in they
put those pieces together and send them to you.
Save a lot time and eliminate a bunch excess bile flowing.
The first picture hints the solution, even though a little humor,
they could be working on it. Fill in that space.Ed

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond to everyone. Actually the original post made me laugh as well.
I have not been avoiding all of you, I have been busy. I have so many things in the fire and the PH is just one of them. That does not mean it is not a priority, actually the PH is the top priority.
Here is where we are right now. We are in the middle of a "crapstorm" with the company that bought the assets of the company that went out of business that was contracted to make our firing pins. This company also made our short and long firing pins although we have plenty of them in stock. The tooling and everything has been prepaid and I was not gettting anywhere with them as far as sending me my stuff, so I have it in my atty's hands. I thought it would be done in September...it was not,thought ok...October....nothing yet. I am 100% confident that I will get them..it's just a matter of when. Actually I have begun working with antoher company to make them so hopefully I can get them coming sooner.

Again, I have apologized a million times over for the long delay's. All I can do at this point is this, if you no longer have faith in the project call me up and I will refund your money. Will it hurt the company...? Hell yes!! We make actions, barreled actions and Custom Rifles, and in case some of you are not aware, we are in the middle of a recession/depression and I am doing everything I can to keep my people employed and the doors open. We are doing good right now and we are starting to see signs of people coming back to traditional bolt rifles but I think it will be 6 months to a year before I will be in a position to roll out any further projects including the Left hand PH's. With many of my competitors and vendors going out of business or being bought up by other companies I am just asking, for those who still want the actions, to have a little more patience....please. And for those of you have lost faith, give me a call and I will get your money back. Is that fair enough?

Jeff,

we have heard the bad news, and can empathize with you there.
I can't speak for anybody but me, and one other person; but I/we am in this for the long haul. I was one of the lucky ones to have actually handled the prototype you sent Ryan Breeding to display at the SCI Reno convention nine months ago. It IS everything thirty-plus years of shooting big bore boltguns has taught me is desirable.

If anybody is silly enough to want a refund, could you refer them to me instead?

Gentlemen,

if Jeff is willing to refund those who lack faith, that tells me his determination to see this thru and ship actions asap is there. I made a deal with him when I gave him the credit card number way back when. I make a deal, I stick with it.

Rich

PS: hopefully anyone who bails now is ahead of me on the delivery schedule!