It would be great to own one but I already have four big bores who's barrels are waiting their turn to be shot out.I doubt that I will last long enough for a fifth one.No point in buying something you can't picture using.

So no 458 Lott?
I guess Winchester is biased to it's own cart.
I think 50% will be re chambered.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
So no 458 Lott?
I guess Winchester is biased to it's own cart.
I think 50% will be re chambered.

5% and the other 45% will buy the CZ in 458 Lott

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Originally posted by boom stick:
So no 458 Lott?
I guess Winchester is biased to it's own cart.
I think 50% will be re chambered.

Well it IS Winchester's only big bore....

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Well it IS Winchester's only big bore....

I think you are both right.... But,

I would have though selling guns, regaining market share and making profits would be a stronger motivation than pride or beating a dead horse.

If, Winchester wants my green - they are going to have to offer something I actually want. When ruger re-introduced the 416Rigby that was a bold move, even the 375Ruger has created quite a buzz. And Look at CZ with the big 50's. And here is Winchester, same old same old.

Yeah, Jeffe; I got a ten-spot on that five year plan! I think the Model 70 in H&H and NOT rugger is a big fat railroad spike ready to be driven into the "little fatties" coffin.

I am also surprised by them not chambering in 404J and the Lott. I think they are still pouting about Jack exposing the short(pun intended)comings of the original.

This sort of progressive thinking is one large reason why they (Olin) are on their third or fourth licensing party. It's those damn unions again!!

Rich

Rich, the new Winchester company will be sold within that same 5 year plan. I don't see them going anywhere fast. They are too slow to learn marketing lessons. Ok, they are just stubborn and lack foward thinking. Yeah, thats it. Even Savage is doing better and that ain't saying much. Ruger and Hornady are an unstopable marketing team. I feel Winchester lost much of what customer base they had on the recent fiasco. Winning customers back is one of the most difficult things a company is ever faced with.

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Originally posted by fourbore:

I would have though selling guns, regaining market share and making profits would be a stronger motivation than pride or beating a dead horse.

If, Winchester wants my green - they are going to have to offer something I actually want. When ruger re-introduced the 416Rigby that was a bold move, even the 375Ruger has created quite a buzz. And Look at CZ with the big 50's. And here is Winchester, same old same old.

They have lost sight of the fact that people no longer automatically buy GM, Ford, Winchester and Remington. In Australia the GM and Ford car are about 30% of the market they use to be about 60%. Made in Japan is no longer the turn off it once was and especially for younger people.

These places are simply out of touch with the street. Remember when Wby brought out the Ultralight in the Mark V for the 338/06. Hardly a suprise it was a total flop. I can think of very few people who are 338/06 fans and if spending bigger money on a 338/06 would get Wby. They will be after a rifle that is M70 or Mauser based if spending bigger money on a 338/06.

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let's be CLEAR -- one in the mag, push teh bolt forward, slides under the extractor and is CONTROLLED all the way in is a CRF .. a PUSHFEED never puts it under the extractor.

Yeah,well mine eventually slides under the extractor about halfway in, so I'd say it is both, but the extractor doesn't pick up the round as it feeds initially as in my Winchester or my Dakota. If you shortstroke it, it will jam.

I think Winchester would do well with a 300 H&H chambering in a matching rifle to the 375.

I strongly suspect the 300 H&H's current lack of popularity is due to no approprate factory rifle but the M70 would be the rifle.

My guess would be that fans of the 300 H&H would be happy to pay a premium for the 300 H&H over the 300 Winchester.

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:

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let's be CLEAR -- one in the mag, push teh bolt forward, slides under the extractor and is CONTROLLED all the way in is a CRF .. a PUSHFEED never puts it under the extractor.

Yeah,well mine eventually slides under the extractor about halfway in, so I'd say it is both, but the extractor doesn't pick up the round as it feeds initially as in my Winchester or my Dakota. If you shortstroke it, it will jam.

The Ruger 77 mkII is a CRF. The extractor is virtually the same as any other mauser clone. The ejector is of a different design, but that won't effect feeding. Some cartridges, because of their design may engage the claw later than others.

John