The Accurate Reloading Forums
the .405 Winchester, original and "new".

This topic can be found at:
https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/390103798

24 July 2008, 13:29
Bent Fossdal
the .405 Winchester, original and "new".
When introduced, it blew America away, as the most powerful cartridge of its time. Not even the the big ones, like .45-120-550 Sharps could match the .405 near or far.
It was considered a long range cartridge, and at 150 yards it is well within the range of what most game are hunted at today.
With a zero at 100 yards, it is 0.4" high at 50 and 3.1" low at 150 - 9.5" low at 200 yards, but I guess that is streching it, energy-wise.

Today, it can be had in a cartridge that fits in a short Rem 700 with a .308-class boltface.
.240 Wea'by cases cut to 2.170, .405 Win reamer, cut belt in chamber by hand in lathe.
.405 Win dies, cut of at right lenght.
Original .405 Win bullets.

Heh, I just had to make one up...



Here next to the .358 Win and .350 RemMag. Considering that the .358 Win will give 2400+ fps with a 250 grs bullet, I will say it is safe to believe the .405 Belted Express will give 2200+ with the 300 grs bullet, just like the original .405 Winchester.

Ain't it cute!


Bent Fossdal
Reiso
5685 Uggdal
Norway

24 July 2008, 14:34
Shinzo
Without the caption I would have said it looks like a 458 Win Mag next to a short 416 on a RUM case & a short 416 Wby. Hmmm, I likeee Smiler
Steve
25 July 2008, 02:56
GeorgeS
It sounds like the .411 KDF, which will launch 300grs.@2200fps, and 400grs.@2100fps.

George


25 July 2008, 03:10
wildboar
It's unfair Bent, you show the 358 and 350 quite tarnished, while your creature is shining like gold! Big Grin
25 July 2008, 03:19
wrongtarget
The 405 Win will push the 300gr Hornady and 300gr Barnes X over 2400fps, I've verified it personally over a chrony.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_No1_405.htm
25 July 2008, 19:33
Bent Fossdal
quote:
Originally posted by GeorgeS:
It sounds like the .411 KDF, which will launch 300grs.@2200fps, and 400grs.@2100fps.

George

George,
The .411 KDF is a necked down .416 Taylor with no other changes, and by so is a much larger and more powerful cartridge.

The one I made up is made on the .240 Wea'by case, made to fit a short action like Rem 700 and duplicate original .405 Win numbers.


Bent Fossdal
Reiso
5685 Uggdal
Norway

25 July 2008, 20:32
GeorgeS
Bent,

I understood that. I was just applying a frame of reference. thumb

Did you consider using .30-06 brass instead of the .240Wby. brass? After all, the .240Wby. case is just about the .30-06 case necked down with a belt added.

George


26 July 2008, 14:07
Bent Fossdal
George,

Yes, I did, as I have ordered a .400 Whelen reamer with the original .458" shoulder, but that would require more expensive dies.
The - in my eyes - grand idea with this one, is that one can use original reamer and dies - just shorten the dies and cut the slot for the belt in chamber by hand.
Like the original .405, it is not a preferred cartridge against the biggest of Africa, but a super woods cartridge against anything in the US.


Bent Fossdal
Reiso
5685 Uggdal
Norway

29 July 2008, 03:30
Robgunbuilder
Just crank the pressure up in a ENCORE or Bolt action to 65KPSI with the original rimmed .405 win and lengthen the throat 0.25. Mine will easily do 2250 fps with a 410gr woodleigh.
A couple of years ago, I brought mine to a STC hunt. Almost never made it back with the gun Jeffe WANTED IT and he's a BIG DUDE!.-Rob


Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012
Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise!
29 July 2008, 03:35
boom stick
quote:
Jeffe WANTED IT and he's a BIG DUDE!.-


LOL

Jeffe IS a big dude but a heck of a nice guy. wave


577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

*we band of 45-70ers* (Founder)
Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)
29 July 2008, 13:45
Bent Fossdal
quote:
Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Mine will easily do 2250 fps with a 410gr woodleigh.


Wonderful numbers which shows that my .425 Fossdal have quite a potential!! At same preassures, same volume, maybe 2300 with a 400 grs .423? Crazy numbers, 2150 is all I ask for, and probably more sound preassure for hot climate.

quote:
Originally posted by Robgunbuilder: Jeffe WANTED IT and he's a BIG DUDE!.-Rob


heh, so I guess I will not bring it over, but he can borrow my reamer any time! Smiler


Bent Fossdal
Reiso
5685 Uggdal
Norway

29 July 2008, 22:42
Atkinson
As I recall, the judge had his Win Mod 95 405 worked over with a long throat and some feeding changes and got 2100 plus with a 400 gr. bullet, now thats pretty close to a buffalo gun IMO...I would love to have one.


Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120

rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com