I do not like Barns Bullets. Does anybody else
not like them or like them?

Pretty broad statement but your opinion is yours.

I have had nothing but good results with Barnes bullets of every flavor in many calibers. AR is full of great support for Barnes Bullets and if you wanted to see how much support (and complaints) just search - the list of threads on the subject is incredibly long.

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I do not like Barns Bullets. Does anybody else
not like them or like them?

Solids and/or softs? Just curious about what you do not like.

Is it one or all of the following:

A) Generally very good accuracy
B) Deep straight penetration
C) Large wound channels
D) Excellent weight retention

I absolutely LOVE them!

I have used them for many years, and never had anything but great resuylts from them.

To each his own, but with the exception of a gift of a hundred rounds of factory 117 grain Remington Core-Locts that a friend made to my wife to use in her 257 Roberts, and a few 405 grain same brand shells in a 45-70 I used to own, I have used nothing but Barnes "X" since 1998 with out any complaints.

That is on everything from Javelina to moose and musk-ox and all kinds of critters in-between.

What is your opposition to them?

I'm not a fan of what they cost. I shoot medium velocity cartridges (257R, 308, 338 Fed) so I tend to gravitate towards something a little cheaper. If I was shooting magnums, I would pony up for Barnes. I generally shoot cup n cores or Nosler seconds (accubonds/Partitions) if I feel I need to go premium.

I love them with the same reasons as others have posted. I used A-frames (still think they are an excellent bullet) till the triple shock came out, now use the tipped tsx in calibers where it is available. Between the accuracy and weight retention they great. Have used a handful of the banded solids, no problem with them.

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I generally shoot cup n cores or Nosler seconds (accubonds/Partitions) if I feel I need to go premium.

Not picking on you, just this statement.

I have heard and read this same statement many times from many people and have a problem with it.

Ammunition is about, if not the cheapest part of a hunting rig, I can not understand why, people will spend all kinds of $$$$$ putting together a perfect rig, and then go chinchy when it comes time to choose their ammo.

When I read or hear that type comment, I shake my head and wonder how many of those folks would eliminate some of the problems(?) they seem to have with their dream rigs performance, if they would spend just as much time putting together a quality shell to shoot in their rig, as they did in putting the rig together?????

Used them on two African Safaris and at home on deer, Shot everything from springbock to Cape Buffalo with perfect perforance always. Whats not to like - great perforance and accuracy. My
first choice for a hunting bullet now,

The higher price has almost always been the nay-sayer's biggest gripe.

I wouldn't use them for plinking or woodchucks/crows. But I use them exclusively for big game hunting. Especially in Africa where a wounded animal not recovered still costs me a trophy fee. Compared to the old time cup-n-core bullet, Barnes solid copper bullets are almost magical in the way they kill game.

Don't leave home without them!

I just hope that the product line doesn't degrade since Randy and Coni Brooks sold the business. If so, I might have to ask Saeed to go commercial.

I have read so much high praise of the TSX, that I decided to try some lately - with mixed and inconclusive results.

I haven't shot game with any yet, but I'm pretty confident that will work out well, based in general on all the praise, and based specifically because I load the bullets in cartridges with plenty of velocity.

On cartridges like the 7x57, I'm still using the old fashioned and simple jacketed lead bullets, like the Sierra, Speer HC, Hornady interlock, Rem corlok, and Prvi.

One thing I have noticed about the Barnes TSX is that there seems to be a wide variance in the degree of copper fouling from one barrel to another. I have one barrel, at least, that doesn't foul much whatever I shoot through it, and others that show a definate increase in copper wash when I shoot the Barnes through them. I clean after every range session with copper remover, so it's not a big problem. It just takes longer to clean a barrel, the more copper that's in it.

Yesterday I shot two rounds of the 350gr TSX bullets through my 458, and inspected the bore this morning. The lands are completely awash with copper. That didn't happen with Hornady, Speer, or even the Swift bullets.

Those tested so far for accuracy have been impressive.

KB

I have heard the complaints about copper fouling for years, and have yet to see any evidence of it with my rifles.

I guess I am just hard headed or old fashioned, but I am still killing game just as dead and just quick with rifles I have run plenty of Barnes bullets thru, without any real cleaning of the barrel taking place.

I am just not that big of a stickler.

As long as that first shot at hair puts the bullet where I want it and the animal dies, then I ain't worrying about a little copper fouling, especially, since with the Barnes I don't lose meat.

Too many bullets create too much meat loss, and since I don't shoot for horns but for meat, I don't like waste.

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do not like Barns Bullets. Does anybody else
not like them or like them?

Firstly its Barnes 2nd you dont give a reason for your opinion seems very fool hardy

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Those tested so far for accuracy have been impressive.

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with the Barnes I don't lose meat.

These bullets give good accuracy, good penetration, little bloodshot meat...what more could you want? They foul my barrels a bit more than non-premiums, and I don't get quite the velocity Barnes says I should...but who cares? Cleaning is easy and velocity doesn't matter at hunting ranges. These, TSX's and X's are Xcellent bullets...at least, the ones in 270, 7mm, 308, 366, 375, and 423! Beyond the weights I use in those calibers, I couldn't speak from experience.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I generally shoot cup n cores or Nosler seconds (accubonds/Partitions) if I feel I need to go premium.

Not picking on you, just this statement.

I have heard and read this same statement many times from many people and have a problem with it.

Ammunition is about, if not the cheapest part of a hunting rig, I can not understand why, people will spend all kinds of $$$$$ putting together a perfect rig, and then go chinchy when it comes time to choose their ammo.

When I read or hear that type comment, I shake my head and wonder how many of those folks would eliminate some of the problems(?) they seem to have with their dream rigs performance, if they would spend just as much time putting together a quality shell to shoot in their rig, as they did in putting the rig together?????

I've found cup & cores to give outstanding results when they are used at moderate ranges and moderate velocities. That being said, a high dollar guided hunt here in the states, or across the pond, will ALWAYS find me shooting premium bullets. However, I mostly hunt do-it-yourself style, and mostly for deer & speed goats. No need for a premium bullet on those. JMO.

I've used the Barnes TSX for as long as they've been out I think and have had nothing but great results on everything that I've shot from Steenbok to Zebra.

They foul more in my 375 than most other bullets but I don't care as they group fantastically and perform perfectly on game.

I have used several varities of Barnes' Bullet with great results. If the angle is not ideal the X-Bullet makes things stop happening fast. I have zero complaints with their products.

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Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
generally shoot cup n cores or Nosler seconds (accubonds/Partitions) if I feel I need to go premium.

The Partition cannot be called a premium bullet in the age of TBBCs and Barnes.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I generally shoot cup n cores or Nosler seconds (accubonds/Partitions) if I feel I need to go premium.

Not picking on you, just this statement.

I have heard and read this same statement many times from many people and have a problem with it.

Ammunition is about, if not the cheapest part of a hunting rig, I can not understand why, people will spend all kinds of $$$$$ putting together a perfect rig, and then go chinchy when it comes time to choose their ammo.

When I read or hear that type comment, I shake my head and wonder how many of those folks would eliminate some of the problems(?) they seem to have with their dream rigs performance, if they would spend just as much time putting together a quality shell to shoot in their rig, as they did in putting the rig together?????

Fair enough. But please tell what a barnes will kill that a partition or accubond won't in the rifles I have. I'd love to know.

I have not killed a lot of game with them. but they have been very accurate and have killed great.

IMO they are the best performing modern bullet. They are clean, deadly and accurate. Only reason not to use them exclusively is if a particular rifle doesn't shoot them well.

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Fair enough. But please tell what a barnes will kill that a partition or accubond won't in the rifles I have. I'd love to know.

Regards,

Scott

Scott,

To be fair, this was posted on the big bore forum. I believe Accubonds only are offered up to .375.

Partitions have killed plenty of buffalo over the years but so did lead roundballs a long time ago.

Will the Partition kill as well as a TSX? Maybe 99 out 100???? I am not will to be the 1.

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Originally posted by Mike70560:
but so did lead roundballs a long time ago.

Mike, you are breaking my heart here, what do you mean by a long time ago

BP and bore rifles rule

peter

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Originally posted by jro45:
I do not like Barns Bullets. Does anybody else
not like them or like them?

jro45 shows once again that he is at least one small order of fries short of a happy meal.

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Originally posted by Mike70560:

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Fair enough. But please tell what a barnes will kill that a partition or accubond won't in the rifles I have. I'd love to know.

Regards,

Scott

Scott,

To be fair, this was posted on the big bore forum. I believe Accubonds only are offered up to .375.

Partitions have killed plenty of buffalo over the years but so did lead roundballs a long time ago.

Will the Partition kill as well as a TSX? Maybe 99 out 100???? I am not will to be the 1.

Got it but I did post that if I had a magnum, I would buy Barnes. I just don't need too based on the rifles I have. I must have lost track of which forum I was in but I still stand by my post. Some people don't read the whole thing and just pull one sentence out of the post.

Peter,

You have way too much fun with those lead roundballs.

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Originally posted by RIP:

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Originally posted by jro45:
I do not like Barns Bullets. Does anybody else
not like them or like them?

jro45 shows once again that he is at least one small order of fries short of a happy meal.

BTW, Rip - if not out already, I believe a movie on your favorite character is on its way

Scott,

I see you still posting results of bullet testing in the Medium bore. Looks like the TSX faired well with your 338.

Read enough forums and you will wonder how anything was killed prior to the latest gizmo. When it comes to bullets I do like to use what I think is best.

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Originally posted by Mike70560:
Scott,

I see you still posting results of bullet testing in the Medium bore. Looks like the TSX faired well with your 338.

Read enough forums and you will wonder how anything was killed prior to the latest gizmo. When it comes to bullets I do like to use what I think is best.

You are right, Barnes was excellent in my 338 test. I like Barnes bullets and I would probably use only the 185 TTSX or the 210 Partition for a nice CXP3 hunt. Both shoot well in my rifle, although I still need to test the Partition. I was going to test the 200 Hot Cor, 180 NBT and Partition this weekend but was rained out. I really enjoy all your tests.

I'll go back down to the medium bore forum where I belong.

Doc Paul,
Yep, thanks to your help, I have every Jonah Hex comic book ever, including his Weird Western Tales, origins, etc.

I saw the movie (June 18, 2010 opening) and I am still going to look for any toy action figures related to the movie, for completeness of my collection.

Jonah Hex and the original Star Trek ... Live long and prosper.
(Where is the Vulcan salute emoticon when you need it?)

I used Barnes TSX in 30-06 Springfield, 338 Win Mag, 375 H&H and 416 Rigby on bushbuck to buffalo. They work just fine. Anything that didn't expire quickly was not because of poor bullet terminal performance but because it wasn't hit well in the first place.

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Fair enough. But please tell what a barnes will kill that a partition or accubond won't in the rifles I have. I'd love to know.

Fair enough, Show Me Anywhere, in ANY of my responses, where I made that statement?

You can't, because I never made such a statement.

The original post asked whether people Liked Barns bullets or not.

Or did I mis-read that?

What I did say, and still stand by, is with ammuntion being one of if not the least expensive part of a hunting rig, why so many folks will go cheap on their ammo instead of buying/loading better quality stuff?

I have killed a deer with a 45 cal. cloth patched round ball out of a muzzle loader and a javelina with an old 40 pound pull fiberglass recurve and a wooden, flint tipped arrow.

That does not stop me from wanting to use something that I feel will do a better job, For My Purposes.

In fact, I think if you will look at all the responses in favor of using the Barnes, I don't believe anyone stated that cup & cores or lead slugs would NOT work, they just prefer the Barnes for whatever their reason.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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Fair enough. But please tell what a barnes will kill that a partition or accubond won't in the rifles I have. I'd love to know.

Fair enough, Show Me Anywhere, in ANY of my responses, where I made that statement?

You can't, because I never made such a statement.

The original post asked whether people Liked Barns bullets or not.

Or did I mis-read that?

What I did say, and still stand by, is with ammuntion being one of if not the least expensive part of a hunting rig, why so many folks will go cheap on their ammo instead of buying/loading better quality stuff?

I have killed a deer with a 45 cal. cloth patched round ball out of a muzzle loader and a javelina with an old 40 pound pull fiberglass recurve and a wooden, flint tipped arrow.

That does not stop me from wanting to use something that I feel will do a better job, For My Purposes.

In fact, I think if you will look at all the responses in favor of using the Barnes, I don't believe anyone stated that cup & cores or lead slugs would NOT work, they just prefer the Barnes for whatever their reason.

You quoted part of my response that said I would shoot cup and core or use accubond and partitions if I felt I needed to go premium. Then you went on a rant about using cheap bullets and people would be better off using the best. Sounds to me like you did not like my choice of partitions or accubonds and that I should use Barnes.

I get what you are saying and I agree about using quality ammo for big hunt but there are no flies on the Partition.

as for barnes X, TSX or solids .. i love them.. generally VERY accurate, impresive results, and low chance of bullet failure .. not to say anything bad about other bullets .. i like getting them slightly lower than classic weights and driving them slightly faster ..

worst case, they pencil through and exit .. aint a bad failure mode

TSX and Barnes Banded Solids are as good as it gets!

TSX and the bands, finally solved accuracy issues. Flat Meplat Banded Solids, solved deep straight penetration issues!

Michael

[quote]Sounds to me like you did not like my choice of partitions or accubonds and that I should use Barnes.[quote]

I don't give a rip what you ot anyone else uses, is that understandable to you.

Or can you bunch your knickers up your ass a little further.

I just merely feel that people cut corners on the cheap end of the equation, when even the premium bullets, those that are even more expensive than Barnes, are still a minor cost in comparison to the cost of the rifle/scope/guided-outfitted hunt.

And that is not a rant, it is just an honest opinion, when did such things become unacceptable?

My like or dislike of a certain bullet does not have one thing to do with what you or anyone else wants to use, I just know what I like and what gives me the results I desire.

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Or can you bunch your knickers up your ass a little further.

I'm the one that has my knickers up my ass?

I really don't, just making MY point without profanity. Since this is a Barnes big bore thread. I'll stop posting. Like I said previously, I agree with you about the bullets being the cheapest part of the hunt. I was just giving you a hard time because people that love barnes seem to think it's the only bullet out there.

My problem With them is that they put a lot more copper in my barrel. One time it took me a half a day to get all copper out.

I use a lot of Barnes bullets and most recently switching all that I have reason to swith over to the TTSX. Bullet just shoots so accurate in the several calibers I have reloaded for it. Performance of African game from Impala to Sable with the 338-06 210 gr TTSX was superb with no second shots required.

Just finished switiching over the 300 WBY to the 168 TTSX and it was 1/2". Gotta be simply devestating on elk. Yeeeeeeeeeha.

Copper in the barrel is only a slight problem. It could be aggrivating, but I've been using that foaming bore cleaner. I turn the muzzel down, and fill the bore with the foam, then let it stand for a while, sometimes overnight. Then I flush out the bore with some electronic cleaner that I got from the auto parts store, then run a patch through the bore.

If I don't wait, and clean it every time I go to the range, I can get all the copper out of the worst barrels with three flushes of the foam and electronic cleaner stuff. Some barrels I can clean with only one flush. I don't use a brush to remove copper, just the chemical.

KB