......Other than a new barrel, of course. I have several stainless .375 Ruger Left Hand Hawkeyes. I may have a new tube made or if I can find a right hand .416 in stainless, I may just swap barrels. Is it feasible to rebore to .416? Are the magazine opening dimensions different? What else might be involved?

Just sell one of the 375R and buy the 426, deal done. Cheaper than rebarreling.

Keith

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:
Just sell one of the 375R and buy the 426, deal done. Cheaper than rebarreling.

Keith

Course if you rebarrel, you'll have a MUCH better barrel...

It's a rebarrel.. and you can have it timed to replace.

GS, "much betteR" is pretty darn hard to measure .. MOA is MOA .. CHOICES and opinions make horseraces

jeffeosso,
I am glad you called GS on that snide remark.
Ol' Purple, my .416 Rigby Ruger can put 3 shots into 0.140" at 100 yards.
In the early days of the Ruger M77 pushfeed, the barrels were outsourced, and there were more than a few lemons.
They quit that nonsense long ago.
Since then, like for over 30 years now, Ruger barrels are among the best.

I can't buy a LEFT HAND .416 Ruger. That's why I'd have to rebore or rebarrel.

If you can get someone to rebore a .375 Ruger barrel, that would be neat.
The barrel is plenty heavy enough to go from .375 to .416.
But at what cost and how much time, and what quality the result?
I would rather rebarrel.
A take-off from a right hand rifle might work on a left hand rifle.
But the headspacing and timing of the sights might be tricky, and conceivably could be imperfect.
I would prefer a new barrel.

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Originally posted by RIP:
jeffeosso,
I am glad you called GS on that snide remark.
Ol' Purple, my .416 Rigby Ruger can put 3 shots into 0.140" at 100 yards.
In the early days of the Ruger M77 pushfeed, the barrels were outsourced, and there were more than a few lemons.
They quit that nonsense long ago.
Since then, like for over 30 years now, Ruger barrels are among the best.

REALLY!
So, if I can find a Ruger barrel, it's equal to a Lilja, Pac-Nor, McGowen, Krieger, or Douglas?

It that's true, why can't they get Mini 14's to shoot better then minute of elephant?

RIP: You are truly full of it. If the bullet is .416", how can it fit into a .14" hole?

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
If you can get someone to rebore a .375 Ruger barrel, that would be neat.
The barrel is plenty heavy enough to go from .375 to .416.
But at what cost and how much time, and what quality the result?
I would rather rebarrel.
A take-off from a right hand rifle might work on a left hand rifle.
But the headspacing and timing of the sights might be tricky, and conceivably could be imperfect.
I would prefer a new barrel.

If the barrel has enough thickness, then I'd give JRH Advanced Gunsmithing a call, and see what they say. 530-268-6877.
Jack and Shawn, one of our members, are about the ONLY shop I know of that has a rebarreling machine. Barrel machines aren't cheap.


Give them a call, and see what they figure a rebore should cost.

quote:

Originally posted by GS:

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
jeffeosso,
I am glad you called GS on that snide remark.
Ol' Purple, my .416 Rigby Ruger can put 3 shots into 0.140" at 100 yards.
In the early days of the Ruger M77 pushfeed, the barrels were outsourced, and there were more than a few lemons.
They quit that nonsense long ago.
Since then, like for over 30 years now, Ruger barrels are among the best.

REALLY!
So, if I can find a Ruger barrel, it's equal to a Lilja, Pac-Nor, McGowen, Krieger, or Douglas?

It that's true, why can't they get Mini 14's to shoot better then minute of elephant?

RIP: You are truly full of it. If the bullet is .416", how can it fit into a .14" hole?

Don't know why you cant get a mini 14 to shoot, my wife's can drop 3 in a dime at 100 yds, of course that was after putting a $200 scope on it. Current production Ruger barrels are of much better quality than those of yester-year. The deluxe magnum barrels have always been top notch, and I dare say better than my win 70 stock barrels.

John

I guess I'm showing my ignorance here. What is a barreling machine? All the gunsmiths I know use a lathe.

I'll also speak up for current Mini 14 barrels. The one I have is about three months old. It shoots 1-1/2" groups with a 4X scope from an indifferent rest.

quote:

Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:

quote:

Originally posted by GS:

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
jeffeosso,
I am glad you called GS on that snide remark.
Ol' Purple, my .416 Rigby Ruger can put 3 shots into 0.140" at 100 yards.
In the early days of the Ruger M77 pushfeed, the barrels were outsourced, and there were more than a few lemons.
They quit that nonsense long ago.
Since then, like for over 30 years now, Ruger barrels are among the best.

REALLY!
So, if I can find a Ruger barrel, it's equal to a Lilja, Pac-Nor, McGowen, Krieger, or Douglas?

It that's true, why can't they get Mini 14's to shoot better then minute of elephant?

RIP: You are truly full of it. If the bullet is .416", how can it fit into a .14" hole?

Don't know why you cant get a mini 14 to shoot, my wife's can drop 3 in a dime at 100 yds, of course that was after putting a $200 scope on it. Current production Ruger barrels are of much better quality than those of yester-year. The deluxe magnum barrels have always been top notch, and I dare say better than my win 70 stock barrels.

John

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GS, ol' boy, you show your ignorance again!

The measure of a group is from center to center.
The center of a hole is a point that is smaller than you can imagine, I am sure. Zero inches.
Infinitesimally small.

The distance between the shots of a group of any caliber or any number of shots may approach zero inches also.
A perfect 3-shot group could measure 0.000...", or as small as you could measure:
Precisely one hole of the same caliber as each of the bullets fired through that hole.
Get it?
Center-to-center.

Above, as you have quoted, I typo-ed inches @ 100 yards for MOA, please excuse.
1 MOA = approximately 1.05" @ 100 yards.
Close but no cigar.
The circa 2000 Ruger of mine shot a 3-shot group of 0.140 MOA, not 0.140", at 100 yards.
0.140 MOA = 0.147" at 100 yards:



Before you get your panties in a wad about the group not being zeroed at 100 yards,
that was the start of sighting in.
First three shots with that bullet over the chronograph.
Trying any and every 380 to 410-grainer I could find.
All with the same powder charge,
The Buhmiller & O'Connor Charge for the .416 Rigby.
The GSC FN was the winner.
One shot with that was all that was required to get the death bellow out of a Botswana cape buffalo.

And on your small bore note, GS, ol' boy:

The Ruger Mini-14 of the old thin-barrel persuasion is not an accuracy gun.
Ruger now makes a heavy-barreled Mini-14 of good accuracy.

Try not to be such a dope, GS.
Better to remain silent than remove all doubt of your ignorance.
Are you about 14 years old (mental age) or what?
"Mini-14" suits you as a handle, I'd say.

"Barreling machine" was quite humorous, however.
You are sometimes good for a laugh, Mini-14, ol' boy.

I see I haven't missed any opportunities for enlightenment here ...

Maybe there should be an AR JV blog as prerequisite ...

quote:

REALLY!
So, if I can find a Ruger barrel, it's equal to a Lilja, Pac-Nor, McGowen, Krieger, or Douglas?

Learn to type...

quote:

Originally posted by GS:

quote:

REALLY!
So, if I can find a Ruger barrel, it's equal to a Lilja, Pac-Nor, McGowen, Krieger, or Douglas?

Learn to type...

Who cares, as long as it shoots. I would never toss a poor quality barrel that hits 1/4-1 MOA. And I have seen ruger barrels shoot, and have seen some that don't. Most do the job triumphantly, especially the RSM's. Everyone needs a 458 lott that will print 1/2MOA.

John

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:

quote:

Originally posted by GS:

quote:

REALLY!
So, if I can find a Ruger barrel, it's equal to a Lilja, Pac-Nor, McGowen, Krieger, or Douglas?

Learn to type...

Who cares, as long as it shoots. I would never toss a poor quality barrel that hits 1/4-1 MOA. And I have seen ruger barrels shoot, and have seen some that don't. Most do the job triumphantly, especially the RSM's. Everyone needs a 458 lott that will print 1/2MOA.

John

BBBH:

I take it your advice is, if the .375 Ruger barrel he has shoots, keep it, and buy another barrel.
If it doesn't have it rebored?

I'm not saying Ruger barrels are bad. All I'm getting at is production rifle barrels aren't as consistent as the premium barrels.

Vol717:
Despite all the noise from RIP: Here is a thread where he is raving about the super high quality, and great value of the Pac-Nor barrels. That would also be my choice, if I was to rebarrel.


http://forums.accuratereloadin...761077311#9761077311
"RIP
one of us
Picture of RIP

Posted 17 July 2009 22:57
holycow
One quarter of a ten-thousandth of an inch!
I didn't know he could measure runout that small.
"The Gun Tailor" is on his break from med school.
Kevin just put a Pac-Nor on a CZ action for me.
Being the "precision freak" that he is, he was most impressed with the PAC-NOR barrel.
That is a No.6 Sporter contour with 1:9" twist stainless, "Super SS," .510" 8-groove, 28", a standard offering at Pac-Nor, for $280 USD.
Ordered from the web site, and arrived in 8 weeks, new-made.

I just wanted to brag about PAC-NOR. clap"

quote:

Originally posted by GS:
BBBH:

I take it your advice is, if the .375 Ruger barrel he has shoots, keep it, and buy another barrel.
If it doesn't have it rebored?

I'm not saying Ruger barrels are bad. All I'm getting at is production rifle barrels aren't as consistent as the premium barrels.

I think we are on the same page. I think most of the confusion came from your comment on re-barreling automatically being better. But the proof is always in the pudding.

Most gunsmiths would prefer to start with a new barrel blank from a high quality vendor so their name is not soiled by a sideways shooter.

John

Jack and Shawn have a machine that is designed to finish rough barrel blanks, and get it right. I'll see if I can get a bit more info on it.
From what I gather, it's a special Pratt & Whitney
machine, made awhile back, and, not many are around, like 5 in the United States. They have all the usual gunsmith lathes, etc. but this is something different.

More later.

What GS is trying to describe is our Pratt & Whitney 1/2 x 42 sine bar rifleing machine. It is used to cut rifle barrels after reaming a barrel tube. We are not currently using it and will probably only use it to rebore and rifle double rifle barrels and for custom work through our shop. We have no interest in general rebore work. There are already a few shops specializing in that work.
VOL 717, a rebore would be your cheapest route and should be fine for a 416. Make sure they can recut your neck and throat for the proper dimentions. If the reborer is backed up and most are, a new barrel might be the fastest way to get the job done depending on how soon you need it. Most all the barrel makers will duplicate your contour for a drop in fit in your stock. If I recall PacNor gets about $45 to dupe a contour. Rebarreling will probably cost more than double a rebore job.
Good luck with you project.

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
I see I haven't missed any opportunities for enlightenment here ...

Maybe there should be an AR JV blog as prerequisite ...

Ever have a big bore shoot like a 22 lr, like this one?

RIP:

""Barreling machine" was quite humorous, however.
You are sometimes good for a laugh, Mini-14, ol' boy. middlefinger"

So are you, RIP/Flatlander: That's my new ASS:

Thanks for the entertainment gents!

Glad you enjoyed!
Ass name is RIP Flatlander...

Once again, some of you have gotten so far off track to make the original thread useless.

Vol,
I am certaintly not a gunsmith but in my many attempts to have lefties rebarreled to different calibers I would bet it is as simple as rebarreling/rechamerbing. But I have no knowlefge if a barrel from a right hand Ruger would work. I would suspect the original 375 barrel could be sold easily helping to keep the costs of the project down. But reboring sounds interesting as well because you could use the original Ruger iron sights.

GS - You need to make Nice and play better in the sandbox. Bad GS! Bad! LMAO at the pic though. Dont mess with RIP as he will get even! My advice, sell the .375 and buy a .416. thats the easiest and fastest path.-Rob

Now we can all say it! GS, nice Ass!

quote:

Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
GS - You need to make Nice and play better in the sandbox. Bad GS! Bad! LMAO at the pic though. Dont mess with RIP as he will get even! My advice, sell the .375 and buy a .416. thats the easiest and fastest path.-Rob

Rob:
I think you are missing it's a left-handed Ruger, which, since they are so rare, creates some problems.

As for RIP:
I think it pretty much says it all that he's giving me a bad time for Ruger barrels, yet in another thread raves about how great his Pac-Nor is.

I still want that .416" that shoots
"Ol' Purple, my .416 Rigby Ruger can put 3 shots into 0.140" at 100 yards."

DOWN RIGHT AMAZING! Actually sounds like he's describing an anatomical part, that starts at .416" and shrinks quickly to .14". Then the nickname makes sense.

quote:

Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:
Now we can all say it! GS, nice Ass!

Why thank you. My young girlfriend, when she's in the mood, seems to agree with you...

GS- Seems to me that a little diligennt searching on the web should turn up a left hand Ruger pretty easily. personally I couldnt care less who made a barrel as long as it shoots accurately. Be Nice though is sage advice. -Rob

quote:

Originally posted by 338User:
Thanks for the entertainment gents!

338User,
Welcome.
The AT&T server I rely on at home has been down,
and the work 'puter blocks pictures when I sneak a peak during the day,
so I have not been able to see whatever GS has hanging out for view now.

"Irregardless,"
a good barrel IS as a good barrel DOES,
and sometimes you cannot improve on a Ruger barrel,
no matter what the name of the maker or technique used.

I don't really want to see GS's backside, but will force myself to peek whenever I have a 'puter that allows it,
just to see how assinine he is,
sort of like with shootaway, or rubbernecking at a trainwreck.
I hope it is not gay,
"GS" stands for "Gay Stud?"

Nice ass GS ... your GF likes that eh ...??

Does she have a sister ...??

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
.....
just to see how assinine he is,
sort of like with shootaway, or rubbernecking at a trainwreck.
I hope it is not gay,
"GS" stands for "Gay Stud?"

Thanks. When you have to resort to the Gay card, you have officially sunk to no class level, well below low class. So, you win the

"Ad Hom Ass of the week award"


What advantages do your .500-510 wildcats have over the existing .510 Wells/A2? Or, for that matter, the .510 Van Horn?

Who is Flatlander?
Wrong again, not I.

O.K.,
I see that the picture was just a donkey,
nothing gay about that, just GS jackassery, as usual.
But his whining about "ad homo" attacks on him sure is getting tedious.

A GOOD BARREL IS AS A GOOD BARREL DOES,
no matter the maker.
If it is accurate, does not foul much, and does not walk its groups as it heats up,
how could the name of the maker matter?
You might even get lucky with a rebore of a Ruger barrel.

I also have a Winchester M70 Classic Stainless factory barrel
(.375 H&H rechambered to .375 Wby)
that shot a smaller 3-shot-100-yard-group than OL'PURPLE the Ruger .416 Rigby.

I have a 1:10" TWIST McGowen 510 JAB barrel that shot a .170"-ish 3-shot-100-yard group, with 705-grain Harlow bullets (AAA).

Scans of those targets could be instructive in teaching GS how to measure a group.

Another method is to measure the largest outside diameter of the group, including any smudges at the outsides,
and subtract the bullet diameter from that measure.
That gives the same measure as the center-to-center group size.
Think about it, GS.
Not just another "ad hominem."

quote:

I see that the picture was just a donkey,
nothing gay about that, just GS jackassery, as usual.
But his whining about "ad homo" attacks on him sure is getting tedious.

As do the attacks.

While I must admit I get a bit skeptical of your groups, I just had an enlightening thought: Most people would not believe my pistols will shoot 2-3" with heavy bullets, at 100 yards, but they will, using a rest.

Due to recoil, I think folks tend to forget that large bullets and calibers are actually easier to make accurate then smaller bullets.
To get back to the subject:
You rave about your PacNor, McGowen, etc. custom barrels. What would you recommend for a barrel for this person, since reboring is going to take too long, even though it costs half as much?

Also, what was wrong with your CZ barrel in the first place? Mine have been if not one hole, certainly minute of hog.

quote:

Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
GS- Seems to me that a little diligennt searching on the web should turn up a left hand Ruger pretty easily. personally I couldnt care less who made a barrel as long as it shoots accurately. Be Nice though is sage advice. -Rob

Rob:
I AM being nice.

GS asked:
"Also, what was wrong with your CZ barrel in the first place?"

Now you have me curious.
What CZ barrel of mine are you talking about?
Confused?

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
GS asked:
"Also, what was wrong with your CZ barrel in the first place?"

Now you have me curious.
What CZ barrel of mine are you talking about?
Confused?

"RIP
one of us
Picture of RIP

Posted 17 July 2009 22:57
holycow
One quarter of a ten-thousandth of an inch!
I didn't know he could measure runout that small.
"The Gun Tailor" is on his break from med school.
Kevin just put a Pac-Nor on a CZ action for me.
Being the "precision freak" that he is, he was most impressed with the PAC-NOR barrel.
That is a No.6 Sporter contour with 1:9" twist stainless, "Super SS," .510" 8-groove, 28", a standard offering at Pac-Nor, for $280 USD.
Ordered from the web site, and arrived in 8 weeks, new-made.

I just wanted to brag about PAC-NOR. clap"

Looks like you just bought a CZ action. My mistake. My CZ 22 and .375 are both VERY accurate. They seem to make pretty good barrels, though not near any of the customs.

A factory barrel that would be hard to beat with a custom is
this Winchester M70 Classic Stainless .375 H&H rechambered to .375 Wby.
Walterhog bullet copies by Bridger.
Best bullets are required to bring out the best in a barrel, even the "finest" barrel:




GS might learn to measure a group by studying these two views of the same 100-yard target, front and back:
(MCGOWEN BARREL)(Fast TWIST and accurate, believe it or not.)

This thread is about a guy with a left handed .375 Ruger, that he wants to convert to .416, since Ruger doesn't make a .416 left handed, yet.

SWD has pointed out the problem: Most rebore guys are backed up, and, a rebarrel is twice as much.

What are you going to do with the gun?

I'm sorry about suggesting Jack would rebore. My mistake.

I'd look at finding a left handed .458 Win mag, and forget the .416. Bigger bullet, more options, and you can load it down.
Actually, I'd go for the Lott, so I would have even more latitude.

the actual question

quote:

Is it feasible to rebore to .416? Are the magazine opening dimensions different? What else might be involved?

to which i answered "a rebarrel" -- that is the actual answer to the situation. Why do I know? I have DONE it. Have you?

let me check

quote:

Course if you rebarrel, you'll have a MUCH better barrel...

One of the most uninformed posts in big bores. The rebored barrel is then the skill of the cutter, NOT the original barrel ..

quote:

Originally posted by GS:
This thread is about a guy with a left handed .375 Ruger, that he wants to convert to .416, since Ruger doesn't make a .416 left handed, yet.

SWD has pointed out the problem: Most rebore guys are backed up, and, a rebarrel is twice as much.

What are you going to do with the gun?

I'm sorry about suggesting Jack would rebore. My mistake.

I'd look at finding a left handed .458 Win mag, and forget the .416. Bigger bullet, more options, and you can load it down.
Actually, I'd go for the Lott, so I would have even more latitude.

SO, YOU started the "bring it back to topical" concept, and int he same post, left that in the dust.

Please identify a commerical left handed 458 lott, for under $1,000.00 .. As that is, sir, the discussion.

So, the long and short of it is, you decided to kick up sand and be a jerkwad. That's your call, but it doesn't reflect well on your big bore experience to try and answer it.

11% of people are lefties -- and probably on 3% of guns are made lefty ... the guy wants a 416 ruger, on a ruger, and asked a SIMPLE question.

It's always funny, to me, when a SIMPLE question is too difficult for some posters.

quote:

Learn to type...

a typical PETTY net picking the fly specs from the pepper response when the guy is out of experience to discuss the matter. Peevish and childish .. of no value to the discussion except to belittle the other poster.

IN short, GS, I am not seeing where you are being productive to the discussion

ANd, to misquote you "ROb, I am being moderate"