gumboot,
I suspect stock fit has more to do with felt recoil than the calibers discussed.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
gumboot,
I suspect stock fit has more to do with felt recoil than the calibers discussed.

Ray, dude.. one must assume the same or close enough stock from one to the other, to have any meaningful discussion of recoil.

of course a screwed up stock will make a minor kick worse than a major... a 30-30 in a marlin lever gun has more FELT recoil than a 30-06 1903a3...

but FELT recoil is perceived recoil...

and no amount of tinkering with facts will change that perception is opinion, and opinions vary.

but the actual AMOUNT of recoil is measurable.

which, of course, is why 99.9% of all double rifles kicke ME more than a good bolt gun... not just the drop, but that they are all at least a inch, if not pushing 2, too small

but, then again, my recoil tolerence is different than most.. but it can be learned, if someone wants to

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
the reason i say the 3200 is the eyerelief...

speer 350s at 2600 are grenades on game, back them down to 2400 or 2300, or use hard cast bullets for the deer


jeffe

Excellent, that is good to know about those. I eally don't know the velocity, just going off what he was saying. I had another guy recommend a Bushnell 3200 also, so I think I am going to give it a try. An for what they run, I won't be out too much money if I dont like it.

Anyone try the Barnes TSX in their .416? Are they moslty just for penetration with a little bit of expansion?

carnold724,

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Anyone try the Barnes TSX in their .416? Are they moslty just for penetration with a little bit of expansion

That has been my experience with them. If you hit anything that is "too hard" they shed their petals and then do even less damage. Not my first choice for an expanding hunting bullet.

The under 338 calibers tend to be too large in section of the petals to open ALL the time. The 375 and cups seem to do miracles... I've got an XLC that Chris shoot an eland, from 185 yards, with a 470 mbogo that opened up like it hit solid wetpacked newspaper.

We also had one that hit "too hard" (eland femur) and ONLY went 4.5 feet through the eland, with no petals.

mv about 2500fps, impact probably 2300ish .. went through like a solid.

In fact, they DO act like solids if you push them to hard, which is NOT a determent...

but, alas, they are LONG LONG LONG

Jeffeosso,

Your comment about long is not an understatement!! I'll be shooting elk with 570gr this year on a bet. I have a few friends that think the world of Barnes bullets. They have seen what Woodleighs can do now they will get an education in the piss poor performance of underexpanding bullets aka Barnes TSX (just my opinion based on past experience, but hey they may actually win the bet).

We'll know the outcome of the bet one way or the other in about 2 months (provided I find a bull)

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:

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Originally posted by Canuck:
My 416 Taylor (with 400gr SAF's at 2400fps)kicks virtually identically as my buddies 416 Rem Mag with Rem Safari Factory Ammo (ballistics similar). A recoil calculator shows that the recoil should be about 8% less, just due to the difference in powder charge. The lack of difference I attribute to the different rifle/stock/recoil pads, etc.

It definitely kicks harder than my old 375H&H, or even my new 375 Ruger. If I had to guess how much harder, I'd say 20%ish??? Not so's it would turn you off though.

I have really tried any 350gr bullets yet, so can't comment on them, but I assume that would make a noticable difference in felt recoil.

Canuck, a .416 Taylor at 2400 fps? Are you seeing that on your chronograph or is that just a guess?

Dave

Chronied, many, many, many, many times over multiple chronies. Pics of brass posted here as well.

I would never post a "guess" velocity, without at least qualifying it.

Chris,
aren't your 4165barrels firelapped? Dave and I spent a long night talking about firelapping and if that allows bullets to go faster...

i am nervous with 416s/400gr/2400fps and 376 steyr/300gr/2500 for exactly the same reasons... but some people have had better results than me

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Chris,
aren't your 4165barrels firelapped? Dave and I spent a long night talking about firelapping and if that allows bullets to go faster...

Nope. Dave's is. Mine's just a Douglas barrel (1-12" twist, and ONLY 23"!).

We should do a poll. I think most of the guys with Taylor's here get 2400 fps.

The funny part is that I get 2400fps with less powder than most.

I used to get it quicker too, but I had the gunsmith "deep throat" it another 0.110" so that I could seat 400gr A-frames to the cannelure. That cost me 50fps with the same powder charge, but 1 more grain got it back, and still with less powder than many guys are shooting.

Cheers,
Canuck

Well, i can finally jump into this thread with some experience.
Just took delivery of my Taylor. Recoil is mild to maybe moderate at most. It seems to be about like shooting a 338 win mag.
Gun weighs in at about 8 pounds 4 ounces without the scope and rings.

23" pacnor barrel with a standard twist. 71 grains of 4320 and a federal primer got 2,329 fps with no signs of pressure. 400 grain Hornandy IB's.
The gun printed a .670" group with that load, i doubt i will mess with that load too much.