So I am curious. What can I expect as as far as recoil from my new .416 Taylor. I have never shot a big bore rifle. It weighs 11 pounds and the ammo I have now is 350 gr, not sure of the velocity. It has a Decelerator also. I have a .300 Win Mag M70 that I have to be cognizant when shooting. I will not shoot it more 4-5 times in a row without a few minute break between groups, off the bench. I also have a NEF 10 Guage Pardner that has been cut down to a 19" barrel that I shoot slugs out of. That one is bone jarring, I usally take a break every two shots. I am just curious, I can't wait to get some range time to try it out. Thanks a bunch.

At 11 pouns it should be mild like a .30-06.....
I made one at 6 pounds, and the memory still makes me flinch.........

It will recoil the same as a .416 Rem and more than a .375 and half again as much as your 300 IMO. Recoil is mostly in the mind of the shooter, no one has been too terribly wounded by recoil, short of a half moon over the eye and that is shooter error...

Unfortunately everyone reacts to recoil differently, so we don't have a set of rules covering recoil. It is definatly a personal "thang".

After you shoot your 416 CT a bit then the recoil of your 300 will suddenly become quite mild to you I would suggest...

IMO the best way to learn to disregard recoil is to shoot heavier calibers, not the opposite as some subscribe, at least it is much faster.

I have never been a proponent of shooting reduced loads in any bigbore other than cost and fun. Doing this is like shooting an 06 and that is supposed to help you shoot a big bore, it won't, and neither will shooting reduced loads, as a rule. If that were the case no one would be recoil sensitive because everyone shoots an 06 and about anyone can shoot reduced loads!

The use of a brake can also be somewhat productive with some people in learning to disregard recoil if they make it a point to shoot it 5 or 10 times without the brake at the end of each shooting session until its no longer needed, but this takes a long, long time, and doesn't always work.

Like I said its an individual thing, what works for me, may not work for you.

Like Ray said above, everyone handles recoil differently. If you're really curious, search out one of the many recoil calculators online and enter in the data you provided in your post. You could compare that to the 300 Win loads you're using in your other rifle to get a rough idea of what to expect.

Alternatively, you could just go shoot it and find out the fun way!!

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
It will recoil the same as a .416 Rem

NOT EVEN CLOSE

The 416 taylor, in the same weight rifle, in the same weight bullet, with the same velocity will recoil LESS than a 416 remmag/hoffman ...

it burns TEN grains less powder to get there.

If one accepts that a 375 is a bigbore, the ONLY true bigbore that kicks less than a 416taylor is the 376 steyr.

The 416 taylor is a mildmannered, easy to shoot, kicks less than a 300 weatherby round. No joke, no bs... it is VERY easy on the shoulder, and at 11#, assuming 2300fps with a 350, you are looking at 34ft-lb of recoil.. or just about NIL.

Go pull the trigger and tell use how you are amazed that it kicks NOTHING like a 10ga and way lighter than your 300 WIN with 180gr.

jeffe

I have a 425 Express which is the 404/425 version of the 416 Taylor. I can tell you that if you have not fired a 375HH with 300grbullets, you will not like the recoil of the 416Taylor. However, if you will get some inexpensive bullets; load it down; and sneak up on full game loads, it will be a wonderful rifle for you.

Get pistol targets and fire about six shots at one at 25yds off hand 2 at a time, one and a second as fast as you can reload and fire. Don't unmount the rifle. It is fun. It makes you thing about hitting, not hurting. And it will improve your shooting in the manner the rifle was made to be used.

I find that 400gr bullets near 2300fps are at the top of my tolerance level. The 404Jeff made its reputation at 2100 fps. I'd start at 2000fps and work up. Anything over 2200fps is all the velocity one needs for effectively dealing with buffalo or elephant. Kudude

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Originally posted by carnold724:
I also have a NEF 10 Guage Pardner that has been cut down to a 19" barrel that I shoot slugs out of.

You will think you are shooting a 22 compared to that.

My 416 Taylor (with 400gr SAF's at 2400fps)kicks virtually identically as my buddies 416 Rem Mag with Rem Safari Factory Ammo (ballistics similar). A recoil calculator shows that the recoil should be about 8% less, just due to the difference in powder charge. The lack of difference I attribute to the different rifle/stock/recoil pads, etc.

It definitely kicks harder than my old 375H&H, or even my new 375 Ruger. If I had to guess how much harder, I'd say 20%ish??? Not so's it would turn you off though.

I have really tried any 350gr bullets yet, so can't comment on them, but I assume that would make a noticable difference in felt recoil.

Jeffeosso is right! That 416 Taylor won't kick any harder than a 300 mag!

11 lbs.?

You could shot two of them, one in each hand from the hip!

I appreciate the info guys. It sounds like I just need to shoot it. Hopefully this coming weekend. I only have 6 loaded rounds for it anyway, the guy who I bought it from says he has more he just needs to find them. I guess I need to make an order to Midway for bullets and brass.

I find the Taylors recoil noticably less than the 416 Rem. In an 11 lb. gun it'll be a pussycat.

That's a pretty heavy Taylor!

11 pounds is too heavy, but it will kick more than a .30-06.

Try shooting a SxS 12 Gauge with Magnum Turkey loads....I did ....It kicked way more than my 300 WBY....I can't imagine the average 10lb. 416 Taylor kicking more than that.

At least I hope not since I have one planned for myself.

Lance

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My 416 Taylor (with 400gr SAF's at 2400fps)

How much of what powder are you stuffing in there to get that velocity?

I would also suggest that the first box of cartridges you shoot be from a standing position, perhaps on shooting sticks, with just the iron sights. It is one way to get used to the recoil before sitting at the bench with a scope mounted.

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Originally posted by Wink:
I would also suggest that the first box of cartridges you shoot be from a standing position, perhaps on shooting sticks, with just the iron sights. It is one way to get used to the recoil before sitting at the bench with a scope mounted.

I am going to shoot it standing first. No irons though, it only has a scope for now. I might slide it forward a bit too...

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
That's a pretty heavy Taylor!

Is it? It's my first big bore. I don't mind the weight so much. It has a 26 inch Douglas barrel on a Mauser 98 and a glass bedded laminated stock. It also has a cheapie 3x9 that I think I am going to replace with a VXII 2-7. My buddy has a box full of them and he won't sell me his Schimdt Bender that is sitting in his safe, something about needing it for his .375 or .458 Lott... Too bad...

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Originally posted by lawndart:

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My 416 Taylor (with 400gr SAF's at 2400fps)

How much of what powder are you stuffing in there to get that velocity?

Only 72 gr of RL 15 and a Fed 215 primer.

My rifle seems a little faster than most for the same powder charge. Great barrel, tightish chamber??

I know others that only get to 2400 with 75gr of RL 15.

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by carnold724:

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
That's a pretty heavy Taylor!

Is it?

FWIW, my Taylor weighs about 10 1/4lbs with a scope on it.

Is that 10 and quarter Canadian?

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Originally posted by Will:
Is that 10 and quarter Canadian?

4.65 kg Canadian actually.

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Originally posted by carnold724:

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
That's a pretty heavy Taylor!

Is it?

Yeah, my 550 express weighs less... my 500 jeffe and 500 AR weigh less, all of my 416, 458, and 470 ARs weigh less, before scope...

11#? to me, that's heavy, and in a taylor, 2.5# too heavy

Well Jeffe, like I said, recoil is a personal "thang" I can't tell any difference in the 416 Taylor, 416 Rem or Hoffman..I also couldn't tell any difference in the 375 Taylor and the 375 H&H. So there ya go.

carnold 724

I have no experience with 416 taylor, but a good one with 375 HH and 416 RM
My son ( 14 years, 60 kg) shoots) with a blaser r 93 safari ( 4.1 kg-4.2 kg without scope), with a muzzle break ( especially added by my gunsmith, not a magnaport) and a limbsaver.
He has no problem of recoil with 375 HH, and says that 416 RM, under the previous conditions, is "somewhat more, but OK")
His "secret"(perhaps)..... thousands of rounds with a 12 gauge

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IMO the best way to learn to disregard recoil is to shoot heavier calibers, not the opposite as some subscribe, at least it is much faster.

Ray,

I thought one should pass Maths 1 first, before graduating to Maths 2 & 3.

Warrior

Well hopefully I will find out later today....Hard to go two weeks with a new rifle and not shoot it. I will post my results.

can't wait to hear!

Well I shot it and the verdict is....It's not so bad. More of a shove than the sharp recoil I am used too with my .300 Win Mag Model 70. And it does not even come close to my 10 Guage slug gun. I had driven to my normal shooting area, the local sand dunes, to touch off a few and forgot it was Labor Day weekend. There were people on sand toys everywhere. I ended up driving around for about 45 minutes looking for an open spot to blast away in. I finally gave up and stopped at a wide spot in the road just to try it out. I love it. Next step is to load some more rounds and shoot for some distance, 100 yards or so. I am extremly happy with my purchase. I mad a video also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMwfT0MB_pg

Glad to hear that you enjoyed it!

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
That's a pretty heavy Taylor!

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking

Glad you liked it..

the scope has GOT to go, man, you put 400s in it, you might get a weatherby brow! busnell elite 3200 2x7 or the made-for-browning of the same thing.

ha, ,told you it would kick less than a 300 webby

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Originally posted by Canuck:
My 416 Taylor (with 400gr SAF's at 2400fps)kicks virtually identically as my buddies 416 Rem Mag with Rem Safari Factory Ammo (ballistics similar). A recoil calculator shows that the recoil should be about 8% less, just due to the difference in powder charge. The lack of difference I attribute to the different rifle/stock/recoil pads, etc.

It definitely kicks harder than my old 375H&H, or even my new 375 Ruger. If I had to guess how much harder, I'd say 20%ish??? Not so's it would turn you off though.

I have really tried any 350gr bullets yet, so can't comment on them, but I assume that would make a noticable difference in felt recoil.

Canuck, a .416 Taylor at 2400 fps? Are you seeing that on your chronograph or is that just a guess?

Dave

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
It will recoil the same as a .416 Rem

NOT EVEN CLOSE

The 416 taylor, in the same weight rifle, in the same weight bullet, with the same velocity will recoil LESS than a 416 remmag/hoffman ...

it burns TEN grains less powder to get there.

If one accepts that a 375 is a bigbore, the ONLY true bigbore that kicks less than a 416taylor is the 376 steyr.

The 416 taylor is a mildmannered, easy to shoot, kicks less than a 300 weatherby round. No joke, no bs... it is VERY easy on the shoulder, and at 11#, assuming 2300fps with a 350, you are looking at 34ft-lb of recoil.. or just about NIL.

Go pull the trigger and tell use how you are amazed that it kicks NOTHING like a 10ga and way lighter than your 300 WIN with 180gr.

jeffe

Jeff, I gotta say I agree with Ray here. If you punch these numbers into a recoil calculator, there is only like 3 lbs. difference in the recoil of a .416 Taylor and a .416 Remington assuming a 400 grain bullet, a 9.5 lb rifle and 72.5 grains of Reloder 15 for the Taylor and 82 grains for the Remington. The difference between the two would be negligable and the .416 Remington would have have a lot less pressure.

Dave

Guys, which kicks more a 338 or a 340 WBY?

Kind of after the fact, but I used to have a 416 Taylor that I would guess was about 9.5 lbs. which was quite mild mannered. Less recoil than a Rem 870 Turkey Ranger shooting standard slugs actually. It also had a narrow butt with corresponding small surface area on the recoil pad.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Glad you liked it..

the scope has GOT to go, man, you put 400s in it, you might get a weatherby brow! busnell elite 3200 2x7 or the made-for-browning of the same thing.

ha, ,told you it would kick less than a 300 webby

The scope will be the first to go. I will look at those two. I have a friend that has quit a few of the Leupold VX-2's in 2-7 and a couple of the VX-3's in 2-7, I might try to talk him out of one of those. I will mostly stick with the lighter bullets for hunting but I do want to play with some 400 gr solids. It is my new favorite rifle. Deer season starts a month. If I get the time to load some more and get it dialed in just might use it for deer season. It should put do a "rouge" Coastal Blacktail down with some authority...

the reason i say the 3200 is the eyerelief...

speer 350s at 2600 are grenades on game, back them down to 2400 or 2300, or use hard cast bullets for the deer


jeffe

....FWIW , my 2 nd 416 Taylor kicked harder than my 1st one .. but was still less recoil than my 2 416 Rems.. 2300 fps was the max safe vel. I could get from them with a 400 gr bullet ... I don,t think I found that load lacking ...and a 400 gr bullet @ 2250 fps is a great DEER LOAD ...pokes about a 2 " dia hole thru them with little to no blood shock ....And it is mild to shoot...And that from an 8 1/2 pound rifle w/ 19 " barrel ..... A 350 gr bullet @ 2450 is a great load also ...A 26 " barrel , wow.... Should be easy to shoot accurately tho .....Welcome to Big Bores...