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I'm starting to find that I'm not liking my 300 Wby as much as I had thought I would. The amount of powder and recoil generated to get the results I am getting now is just not worth it to me, IMO. I also only spent 300$ on my M70, so using it as a donor action is a good option. Since I have 100pc of Wby brass, I'd like to stick to something on the full length case, so I can just reform the brass I already have. I have looked, but am not finding, a .423 based on the full length case. But do you guys know of a cartridge like this?? I'm also debating the 400 H&H since I have developed a thirst for a .411, a 416 Rem or maybe a 375 Wby. Obviously, the 375 Wby makes a logical choice as I could always fire 375 H&H through it. I do not want the recoil levels of the Lott or Capstick, so those are out. This WOULD be a DG rifle, and I am much more interested in tuskless ele and land shot hippo's then I am buff. I'm sure buff would be on the menu eventually, but anything that works for ele will work on a dagga boy! If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | ||
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This is an article that features the 435 Express wildcat, which is a full length case such as your 300 Wby, necked up to take the .435 bullets from the .425 Westley Richards. It might be a different way to go. Steve | |||
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The 404 Barnes Johnson Magnum , is one of the full length rounds using the .423 bullets , the 404 Express was the 2.5 " case ............... ...If you load a 458 Lott with a 350 gr bullet it kicks like a 416 but it kills like a 458 Lott... If you load it with a 300-315 gr bullet @ 2800 fps , it kicks like a 375 WHBY but kills like a 458 Lott .Mono Metal bullets really do change the rules ......... But , there ya have it .... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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How about the .424 OKH? Cannot beat Keith, Hopkins and O'Neill. Had one years ago. | |||
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The most sensible choices are .375 Wby or .416 RemMag. If you get a wild hair, split the difference down the middle and do a .395 GSC, which is an Ackley-ized .375 H&H case necked to .395. Nobody in the world has built one yet. I had Dave Manson make reamers for it, to specs drawn up by Gerard. The chamber-finish reamer and chamber-roughing/reloading-die reamers were sent to Gerard Schultz of GSC. ZA (Zulu Authorities) have not allowed him to acquire .395 barrels yet. So the .395/.375AI-GSC orphan is still waiting for an adoptive parent. At least that yawning void in the caliber line-up between .375 and .416 has been filled by 4 other .395 Wildcats ...  | |||
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Lots of good replies! I'm going to read the 435 Express article. Does anyone have links to any info on the .424 OKH or the 404 BJM? Nothing to say either way on the 400 H&H? RIP - The 395 GSC is tempting, more so then the 395 wsm we have spoke of. Wish it was easily "corrected" like the 395 Ruger with a lil engraving pin  If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Ok I'm loving what I read about the 435 PH Express!!! The guy fireforms with loaded 375 H&H ammo (which doesnt solve my problem of brass on hand) decaps with 458 WM FL dies, and neck sizes with 44 Rem Mag dies. Already have 44 RM dies.... Although I'm still interested in a .411 or .423 on the Wby case, especially if I could retain the double radius shoulder *why not?* Kind of like if Weatherby decided to make a "mild" DG caliber, seeing as the 416 and 460 are on larger cases. Suprised they never did actually... If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Wow, Just read the link - very cool! If it were up to me, THIS is the one I would go for. Of course, like my 600OK and 585AHR, you would be in deep if you lost your ammo.  Thus, as RIP (with whom I seem to always agree) suggested, the .416 Remington or 375 Weatherby is probably the most sane way to go  but try not to be sensible, get the 435, take some pictures and shoot something big and nasty.  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Only problem I see here is, the only .435 bullets I can find are the 410 Woodleighs, and while thats not a BAD thing, I don't see the 450's the article speaks of  I also just played around with Cartridge Creator, maybe a .411 H&H Imp? When I looked at the case drawing, they have a VERY long neck, so much so that I think a lot of the powder space is getting used up. Take the 375 Wby and neck it up to .411 or hell even .423 and I think we have a winner of a cartridge. It would still be trailing the 404 J with top loads, due to the lower capacity, but you should be able to be right between the 450/400 and 404Jef If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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I preffer the 404-375 over the 435 Express. same taper as the 375 H&H but no shoulder. Think of it as a 404 Lott. 400 grain bullets so lighter recoil than the Lott but can be loaded with lighter bullets to have the recoil of the 375. https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6521043/m/418104579  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I like it  If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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My vote is .416 Rem. Cheap (relatively) factory ammo. Good performance. Accurate and recoil, if that is an issue, isn't. Very comfortable to shoot if the rifle fits. | |||
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Boomstick, that thing doesn't look a whole heap away from a 40 BSA, barring a few thou", Hmmm, something to do with the P14 action & Barnes basic magnum brass I've got, then again, its a bit close to the 416 Taylor I want to build. Damn, decisions, decisions. Steve | |||
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lavaca - I reload, so factory isn't TOO huge of a problem, unless my ammo gets lost. But at the same time, when I read the AFrican Reports section....it seems if one loses his ammo...its not just the ammo, ALL the luggage is gone, rifle included, so either way I'd have to end up renting a rifle from the outfitter. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Milehighshooter, While I would not say alot of .435 bullets around here are a few http://www.hawkbullets.com/Pricelist.htm http://www.woodleighbullets.com.au/Bullet%20List%203.html#Anchor-44595 from 300 to 450 Ed DRSS Member | |||
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You sound like the 458 Lott is a gun not to buy. Well I own one and standing shots is not bad. On the bench sighting in I used a sand bag. Need I say more. Sighting in is no different than any other hard kicking rifle. The Lott has 74 Ft Lbs of recoil witch isn't bad!! | |||
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Thanks for the link 505! After much discussion on this topic over on the wildcat forum (if you'd like to see, "poor mans 404") I have decided to go with this unimproved, tapered 404/375. However, I still think the .435 would make a great WSM wildcat! If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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