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416 Rigby off sticks at 100 yards.


Ruger RSM 416 Rigby
Zeiss 1.8 x 5.5 Conquest in Warne QD rings


Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps.
 
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500 Jeffery, 570g TSX at 2100 fps (mild load) at 50 yards from a rest. 3 shot group



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I wish I still had my 700 AHR. As Terry Wieland said, the target looks like a bird flew through it :-)
 
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The very first time I shot my 458 Win Mag after TooManyTools (John) re-barreled it.



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"I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money."
- Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953

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I wish I still had my 700 AHR. As Terry Wieland said, the target looks like a bird flew through it :-)


haha, I bet it did.

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The lead "plinking" rounds were 1,250 grains :-)
 
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Better man than me, I admire you. 570g at 2300 is as much as I want to shoot more than once a day.


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Very few rifles will shoot under a half inch, even few big bores will shoot under a half inch otherwise they would be shooting big bore matches with them...If your gun shoots and inch you have an exceptional gun, hang on to it..


BS Ray, and you KNOW it

Big bores, if one can take the punch, tend to be MORE accurate than mediums ..

I "discovered" this a couple decades ago ... bigins tend to be WAY more accurate than little ins... if you have the stones to take the whack... "everyone" knows this. in fact, its instrumentally likely, as the big guns actually reduce subtending issues... reduced instrument error.. that is, math

I've posted quiet a few pics of way under MOA big bores.. (sigh)

this was a CRUMBY day..11/30/06 in Spring Texas, feel free to look it up on wunderground .. cold, raining, and windy .. i was in a hurry, on my way to Falfurious and just checking zero. 416 Accrel, 400gr hornady sps, about 2500fps ...



and several piggies realized it that weekend



470 AccRel - 5 shot 100 yards - target is 1", bullet is .475, remove 1 .475, and way sub moa...


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

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476AR,
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Very few rifles will shoot under a half inch, even few big bores will shoot under a half inch otherwise they would be shooting big bore matches with them...If your gun shoots and inch you have an exceptional gun, hang on to it..


These are not really from a big bore, just my 375H&H. But it will do it regularly.





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"I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money."
- Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953

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.416 Ruger with a Trijicon 1-4 Accupoint, Hornady factory 400gr DGX, offhand yesterday at about 35 yards. One big hole! Roll Eyes






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That's 200 yards with a handgun.


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Two hundred yards with a 444 Marlin handgun. I guess that's a big bore.



Not spectacular. I hope to do better.
 
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nice pics.. i read somewhere that an expert believes that big bores can't be accurate ... that's why the snipers use 17 rimfires.. .. no ..wait...


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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My 458 Win - 2 shots at 50 yards from bench:



1 shot is a 450 gr Barnes Solid
the other is a 450 gr Swift "A"


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Well you did say BIG. These are 1.005" at 25 yards offhand.



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Custom Win Mod 70 in 375hh 100 yards



Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Ten shot while working up loads for my .458.




50 shot with the same rifle, offhand at 100 while trying to wear a groove into my technique.

 
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458 Lott using my own 450gr. bullets made from 45ACP brass and 54grs IMR4198.

 
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Show your 45 ACP "bullets"
 
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Show your 45 ACP "bullets"


Yea.
 
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Show your 45 ACP "bullets"


Yea.


I got in on this thread on the subject:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...3621043/m/8801028501
 
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Thanks Huvius very interesting thread!
 
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Huvious, Now if I can come up with a method for 505's.
 
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Huvious, Now if I can come up with a method for 505's.


BTSniper will make you whatever dies you want.
A bit spendy though and you may need a bigger press to do them.
Nice 505s made from 308Win brass would be very economical.
Like these but longer
http://castboolits.gunloads.co...hread.php?183522-500
 
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I shot my 375 H&H this morning with the 235 grain CEB Raptor @ 2850 fps. A nice 1.2" group at 200 yards.



Frank



"I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money."
- Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953

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I shot my 375 H&H this morning with the 235 grain CEB Raptor @ 2850 fps. A nice 1.2" group at 200 yards.


Frank,

What powder and weight did you use, and what length barrel do you have?


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That was with 76 grains of Reloader 15 in the standard 25" Model 70 barrel.

I've gotten up to 80 grains of R15 safely but it's heavily compressed and the plastic tips get deformed when seating them. I'm going to try to pop the tips off next time, seat the bullets and then reinstall the tips.


Frank



"I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money."
- Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953

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.416 Haugh (Shortened Jeffery case) at 100 yds from bags. Iron sights. 400gr RN running about 2350. I need to go make some more recent targets...





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Sometimes It´s very hard to take repeters seriously... Big Grin


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I was multitasking that day!http://s834.photobucket.com/user/tilly358/media/376_zpsvxxxhxoh.jpg.html


I tend to use more than enough gun
 
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Saeed's group I estimate as 0.120":



I have been trying to beat 0.138" since 2003:










Obviously the Walterhog is a good fit in Saeed's rifle.
I suspect Saeed's "Homebuilt" .375/404 Jeffery has a zero-parallel-sided free-bore chamber throat (a leade-only throat), and his rifle is perfectly served by the Walterhog which Saeed designed, custom fitted to the throat.
It is a long-nosed bullet and all bullet forward of the case mouth is less than .375" diameter.
That nose is long enough that he still must use a .416-Rigby-length magazine box with his 404-Jeffery-diameter bolt face.

However, I suspect Saeed's rifle could not be used to load the Barnes TSX 300-grainer to 3.755" like mine can be loaded. No loss to Saeed there. hilbily
I have .370" length of parallel-sided free-bore on my .375 Wby and ".375/404 Jeffery Saeed of 2012" rifles.

Obviously, the bullet itself is the most important variable in the accuracy equation.


Compare my accuracy with the Barnes TSX bullet versus the GSC bullet of same weight and similar velocity, above.
2740 fps with a 300-grain bullet equals about 5000 foot-pounds KE.

Some of my further attempts:

400 Whelen-Petrov-Berry of 2013 with GSC .411/317gr HV:

Same rifle, different bullet, initial fire-forming loads:


My ".375/404 Jeffery Saeed of 2012" with the 250-grain TTSX at 3005 fps MV:


Same rifle and bullet was "more better" with more powder:



.500-cal/360-grain Cutting Edge bullet and Rifle (12.7x68mm Magnum, wildcat) that gets more accurate at longer range:



404 Jeffery "African Sheep Rifle" with North Fork 340-grain bullet at 300 yards:



My first three shots ever with GSC bullets, in a .416 Rigby Ruger RSM, 380-grain FN, I quit load development right there.
Took the rifle to Botswana and killed a cape buffalo with one shot, which exited:



Yep, the bullet is important.
.510-cal/705-grain AAA Harlow bullets are accurate enough in a 500 A2:



Here is a factory rifle and factory ammo combination that is OK, both just off-the-shelf and out-of-the-box, .416 Barrett:



That factory combo is almost as accurate as the Ruger American Rifle for less than $400, or the Ruger Precision Rifle for just over $900, both in 6.5 Creedmoor with Hornady factory ammo.
Forgive the small bore mention please, I won't post any of those ratgun targets here, unless I can beat 0.138" for 3 shots at 100 yards!

And here is one of my T-Rex targets for 3 shots at 100 yards, at an indoor range strangely enough, the only big bore rifle I have ever benchrested indoors:



But The Master who taught me to shoot his T-Rex did this at 100 yards indoors:



Better bullet or better shooter? horse
Both?

Some T-Rex muzzle blast here, probably not a "best" load.
The Magnum PAST Pad helps prevent broken clavicles.
A thumb over the top of the barrel prevents the torquing T-Rex from jumping up and to the right and off the rest. RH twist barrel:



One more factory rifle and ammo combo, right off the shelf, no mods, that was pretty good, was a Remington M700 .375 RUM with 300-grain Swift factory loads.
First two shots were to foul and get started on scope adjustment, next three for group at 100 yards:



Same .375 RUM factory ammo (Remington-made, with 300-grain Swift A-Frame bullet) in a CZ 550 Magnum with a Winchester M70 Classic .375 H&H take-off barrel bobbed at chamber end to 23" length and chambered for .375 RUM with a tight throat:



I have trouble concentrating on more than 3 shots from the bench with a big bore.
Must be Attention Deficit Disorder.
I usually quit if 3 looks pretty decent at 100 yards. BOOM
I will try more shooting with the ratguns to prevent developing a flinch. Smiler
 
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Big hole in steel plate, 2 inches of wood in middle, and 2nd plate,

plates are .220" thick..And all tight together with the wood.

Savage 210 in 12ga FH, 600 gr heat treated Dixie slug going 3000 fps.Ed



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Some friends and I when to the range. They had never shot a 458.
Put this target out at 25 Yds and the 3 of us shot it standing. All shots were on the paper.
I went 1st - My 2 shots was the one at 10 o'clock in the 9 ring and the one 5-6 o'clock that clipped the 9 ring.

One friend just had a "blast" - shot most of those holes. Another shot it twice.

So...Another target with some big holes:




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400 Whelen at 100 yards, 5 shots 400 grain Woodleigh. 2-7 Leupold. First 3 shots were the tight group in the middle, decided to shoot 2 more and opened it up a bit but for me this is a pretty deadly group for what I'll use it for.
 
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500 Jeffery, 570g TSX, 3 shot group at 50 yards



Regards,

Chuck



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400 Whelen sighting in,, a couple of 458's on Gibbs target.


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FN/Sako, 375 weatherby, 4x S&B
100yds off bench

300 Swift A-frame 82gr H-414

 
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It wasn't THE target but they are pretty big holes !!!! Fortunatley it wasn't my prop and fortunately for the pilot and gunner it was carbon fiber !



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It wasn't THE target but they are pretty big holes !!!! Fortunatley it wasn't my prop and fortunately for the pilot and gunner it was carbon fiber !



Okay Phil
Whats the story??.....
 
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