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416 rigby
10 August 2007, 03:19
WORLDHUNTER1416 rigby
Has anyone have used a 416 Rigby on Elephant?
Please share your feelings on how it worked.
10 August 2007, 03:25
boom stickthis question would be good in the african big game board and by doing a search for 416 rigby and elephant.
ps welcome wh1
10 August 2007, 04:24
400 Nitro ExpressOne of the world's greatest elephant hunters still living, Tony Sanchez-Arino, swears by a Rigby built .416 Rigby Mauser for elephant.
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10 August 2007, 07:15
Idaho SharpshooterRobert Ruark and Harry Selby put the 416 Rigby on the map 50+ years ago by publicizing to the world that the 416 Rigby is more than enough to kill, and not just kill, but stop, anything in Africa or the world.
Rich
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10 August 2007, 17:12
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Robert Ruark and Harry Selby put the 416 Rigby on the map 50+ years ago by publicizing to the world that the 416 Rigby is more than enough to kill, and not just kill, but stop, anything in Africa or the world.
Rich
DRSS
......and it is, but so are many cartridges, both smaller, and larger!
Putting the bullets in the right place is what stops most animals!
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10 August 2007, 17:21
ScottSMac,
Would you care to be more specific about the "right place". I am more than suspicious that it isn't necessarily a mortal wounding your are referring to by that terminology.
10 August 2007, 18:33
wombatBuzz Charlton uses a 416 as his working gun.
Send him an e-mail and he will give you the good oil.
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10 August 2007, 18:40
PeterThe 416 Rigby has an excellent reputation, however I don't think that the cartridge is known as a "stopper" ie. stopping a charge. For that, larger diameter rounds are generally accepted as being preferred. Having said that, the 416 seems to be a very versatile round, having long range as well as DG capabilities. Stopping cartridges seem to be rather specialized in purpose and hence lack the versatility of the 416 Rigby.
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11 August 2007, 03:10
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by ScottS:
Mac,
Would you care to be more specific about the "right place". I am more than suspicious that it isn't necessarily a mortal wounding your are referring to by that terminology.
ScottS
A charge stopper is any rifle powerfull enough to disrupt the CNS from a frontal shot, or shots,putting him down, or turns the animal, in effect stopping the charge.
With Elephant,most heavy rounds to the face will usually turn the animal, giveing you time to place a heart/lung shot, when he turns. With Buffalo, or lion, the job is far more critical, because if you don't hit the CNS, they will usually not stop, or turn. PHC, said it best!
"Once a Buffalo puts together a conscentrated charge, your options have been wounderfully simplified! You kill him, or he will kill you!" In that case notheing short of scrambleing his brain, and/or spine, will for sure stop him.
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origenally posted by Peter
The 416 Rigby has an excellent reputation, however I don't think that the cartridge is known as a "stopper" ie. stopping a charge. For that, larger diameter rounds are generally accepted as being preferred. Having said that, the 416 seems to be a very versatile round, having long range as well as DG capabilities. Stopping cartridges seem to be rather specialized in purpose and hence lack the versatility of the 416 Rigby.
Peter.
Peter is correct on the 416 Rigby being a very versitile cartridge in the right rifle, and the fact that most only consider stoppers as larger than the .416! I don't neccessarily agree with that concept, because, the only place a stopper is needed is in a close charge, and in that sittuation, even a very large bullet, that misses the CNS, is not as good as a smaller one that hits the CNS. With either one, if the CNS is missed, the animal will not be stopped. On the bottom end, we need a bullet that will stay together, and pennetrate deeply enough to get to the CNS, the rest is up to the shooter. I, personally, start at.400 caliber, and go up from there, and my personal favorite is the 500NE, in a double rifle. However, the 375H&H, and even the 9.3 bullets of good consrution, with a CNS shot will drop anything in it's tracks. The benefit gained by larger bullets, can't be denied, especially with Ele, because a close to the brain shot has the ability to stunn the ele, long enough to give the shooter a chance to place a finisher, and it will break bigger bones, that may put the animal down, that a smaller one might not.
So, generally, the so-called "STOPPERS" begine at .400 cal, and go up from there. IMO, there is a top limit as well! I see anything larger than a 577NE, to be un-neccessary, and are simply "LOOK AT ME" toys! 
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11 August 2007, 03:26
ScottSMac,
I figured that was your point before, and I concur 200%.
11 August 2007, 03:31
KMuleinAKScottS - good job staying in line
I thought for sure you would bring up the famous "Texas Heart Shot" and the normal array of jokes that accompany it.
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11 August 2007, 04:03
ScottSKMuleinAK,
Whatever are you talking about!
