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posted 29 December 2005 06:13Hide Post
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Rip you say your going down to Allen Wilson's. Is that Allen Wilson's in Monterey TN. If so he is a first class guy, and a nice hunting operation also. Only about an hour drive.


I'm 30 miles "off the hill" and haven't been there yet. bewildered Sounds like I need to check it out!!! thumb


Woodsracer, where are you from?


Roll off the BIG HILL westward from Monterey......and you'll find me in Cookeville. Wink


Yep Cookeville is less than an hour away. Got a sister that lives down that way. She's a nurse at the hospital there.
I live in the big town of Gamaliel, know where that is? I think we've got a whole 400 people here. hijack


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posted 29 December 2005 12:25Hide Post
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I live in the big town of Gamaliel, know where that is? I think we've got a whole 400 people here. hijack


Most certainly, where do you think I get most of my reloading supplies from (Gamaliel Shooter Supply)!?! lol
Powder and primers, especially!!! thumb


Sorry RIP!!! hijack Wink


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Why does it take so many shots with the big Bores? 458win took shree shots last year with a 458 Lott, to kill his Bison. check out this story and Link. Can anyone explain why the smaller rifle kills quicker???

The question of the .257 Hot Tamale’s effectiveness on large game like mule deer, Canadian whitetails and elk had been answered. My thoughts turned to the possibility of what it would do on game the size of a buffalo.

The next day, after looking over several of Gerald’s 2,000-pound bulls, we spotted a huge bull with a blond mane and dark-brown face and neck. This was the specimen I wanted. Waiting for a broadside shot, I placed the crosshairs behind the shoulder and touched off the shot. When the bullet hit the bull, he shook like he’d been struck by a bolt of lightning. The bullet entered and exited his lungs around 4,000 fps, creating enough hydrostatic shock to knock him to his knees. In a matter of seconds, the bull succumbed to the destruction of both lungs and fell over, stone dead.

Now, that’s some kind of performance. What a magnificent animal and trophy. Gerald and his sons determined the bull weighed more than 2,400 pounds.

Two exceptionally large game animals were taken with one shot each from the .257 Hot Tamale’s 100-grain bullet. That should be enough to answer skeptics and critics as to the .25 caliber’s ability on game larger than deer.

http://www.gunhuntermag.com/Features/050124Hot.htm
 
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posted 05 January 2006 20:42Hide Post
Maybe Roy Weatherby was right?!? lol

Crazy thing is that he was using Nosler Ballistic Tips!?! Eeker


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If the 257 STW wiil drop a Bison what do you think it will do with a Cape Buff???
 
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If the 257 STW wiil drop a Bison what do you think it will do with a Cape Buff???


Bounce off his noggin!!! lol


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If the 257 STW wiil drop a Bison what do you think it will do with a Cape Buff???


Bounce off his noggin!!! lol


Maybe. Especially with a Ballistic Tip.

It is all about bullet placement.
You will note that I wanted to shoot the Bison multiple times with softs and solids, just testing bullets, with an iron sighted .500 JAB.

The Bison was alerted and "adrenalized" by my close proximity, ready to "fight or flee."

The first shot knocked him over sideways but he struggled up with the left front leg dangling from a high chest shot and broken offside shoulder. He had just presented his back side to me within a few seconds when I knocked him down again with the Portuguese Heart Shot. He went no further but was still breathing a few seconds after the second shot. I completed the rear "X" with a second solid and walked up to finish the side "X" with the XLC.

I am happy to say that 582.5 pounds of excellent meat was salvaged right up to the bullet holes. But I will cook it thoroughly before I eat it.

A scope sighted .257 STW slipping a BT between a pacified bison's ribs at 175 yards, yes that will work as long as it gets through the ribs. It did not hit big bone and break a shoulder. No way. No solid at that .257 STW bullet weight and speed could penetrate the Bison stem to stern either.

Just worst case scenario bullet testing here. The first shot from the .510 JAB would have been fatal in a few more seconds.

My last two buffalo kills have been one-shot with a

1).416/380gr GSC FN Solid at 2509 fps (Rigby)
2).423/380gr North Fork Soft at 2525 fps (Jeffery)

The ballistics of the latter two are the best balance of power and shooter comfort for an any-case scenario ... they work well for pot shots into the ribs of dozing (ZZZZ...) bison at 175 yards also.

Sometimes you just want to shoot more than once before the fun is over. thumb
 
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posted 06 January 2006 06:16Hide Post
RIP Imread the article I don't remember anything about the Bison sleeping I thought he was up and walking not lying in his bed sleeping.
I under stand that domestic Bison Like the one you shot get extremly charged with adrenline when they see a human Like every day when they are feed by humans.
I spoke to Mr Fergson about testing bullets it's just that nothing he shoots lives long enough for a second shot.
I've been talking to Gerald a GS custom about his bullets, he has some intresting stories on his web site abou the lack of meat damage the cause at verey high vel.
I have a 257 STW beng built right now at Weaver Rifles. I going to test it on Bison with GS and barnes TSX. Then we are going to try Cape Buff ASAP.
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RIP Imread the article I don't remember anything about the Bison sleeping ...
I've been talking to Gerald a GS custom ... ... Then we are going to try Cape Buff ASAP.
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Cape buffalo with a .257 STW! animal
beer pissers

Remember cape buffalo have much heavier ribs that overlap like armor plating, and might make the Nosler Ballistic Tip explode superficially. Ouch! Pesky bullet! At least you are on the right path with a copper monometal bullet. .257 Roberts might be better than the .257 STW.

Please, that is "Gerard" not Gerald.

Well, a little stunt shooting is fun now and then, whether big bore or little bore. jumping
 
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RIP Imread the article I don't remember anything about the Bison sleeping ...
I've been talking to Gerald a GS custom ... ... Then we are going to try Cape Buff ASAP.
DrB


Cape buffalo with a .257 STW! animal
beer pissers

Remember cape buffalo have much heavier ribs that overlap like armor plating, and might make the Nosler Ballistic Tip explode superficially. Ouch! Pesky bullet! At least you are on the right path with a copper monometal bullet. .257 Roberts might be better than the .257 STW.

Please, that is "Gerard" not Gerald.

Well, a little stunt shooting is fun now and then, whether big bore or little bore. jumping


NO KIDDING, RIP!!! animal

A .257 STW + Cape Buffalo more than likely = YOUR DEATH. homer

READ THIS!!! Then please have a TESTICLE REDUCTION!!!
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BTW, the last time I checked SEVERAL African countries have legislation that requires calibers BIGGER than .375 in order to hunt dangerous game. bewildered


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would it seem "sour grapes" or "prideful" to mention that I have now killed two bison bulls; 1400lb 4yr old, and a 2100+pound 9 year old at 147 and 217yds respectively with a Shiloh Sharps LRE in 45-70, 500gr LaserCast RFN at 1470fps? The young one went down, never regained his feet, and I was poking him in the eyeball 15 seconds later.
The older one went down on his rear haunches like a dog sitting up, wobbled 25-30 feet and went down. Dead almost immediately. Scrambling the lungs and heart will do that.
Want to see a tremendous number of dead bison shot with Sharps and mostly black powder loads? try: http://www.ShilohRifle.com, and look at the trophy room section.

"...smokeless powder is just a passing fad...".

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would it seem "sour grapes" or "prideful" to mention that I have now killed two bison bulls; 1400lb 4yr old, and a 2100+pound 9 year old at 147 and 217yds respectively with a Shiloh Sharps LRE in 45-70, 500gr LaserCast RFN at 1470fps? The young one went down, never regained his feet, and I was poking him in the eyeball 15 seconds later.
The older one went down on his rear haunches like a dog sitting up, wobbled 25-30 feet and went down. Dead almost immediately. Scrambling the lungs and heart will do that.
Want to see a tremendous number of dead bison shot with Sharps and mostly black powder loads? try: http://www.ShilohRifle.com, and look at the trophy room section.

"...smokeless powder is just a passing fad...".

Rich




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posted 14 January 2006 16:58Hide Post
RIP wrote:
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The fast twist seems to sweep the petals a bit too, to follow the barrel twist rate after impact.


With all due respect, not so!
Refer the following extract of another thread explaining all this:
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It is important to note that the main centripetal force is the force that is
causing the bullet's lead to turn aside from its straight-line forward motion resulting in the mushroom head. It has nothing to do with the bullet's rate of rotation as I will explain below. - Ethan Skyler.

Refer the following and other threads re these interesting topics being discussed in which the real reasons for these happenings are explained.


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Well, excuse me for having a little fun with some bullets and a buffalo. No harm done. I just got tired of killing them every time with one well placed shot to the vitals.

Jagter: no serious discussion here. Also, your man Ethan Skyler is out to lunch, from what I have seen, and that is enough.

Yes, I did it all on purpose. Shot him high just to knock him flat with an X bullet (impressive at 2400 fps for 570 grains). Then did two complete pass throughs Portuguese/Texas style. No flukes with the FN. And a final insurance shot with the second X just to show it was no fluke that it didn't exit on a broadside.

Yes indeed the meat is delicious, but there might have been more than 582.5 lbs of packaged stuff without so many bullet holes.

It was fun. The meat is precious.
 
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RIP, Iseam to rember that you are one of Mark Sullivan's critics. You think he dosen't kill his animals as fast as possible just to have fun with them.
Seams like people who live in glass house shouldent through rocks.
Any one who mtest bullets on live animals is just as unethical as Mark Sullivan ever was!!!

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"Mark Sullivan? Might break the monotony of gut shooting buffalo to induce a charge."

Talk to you latter Mark err I mean RIP pissers
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RIP, Iseam to rember that you are one of Mark Sullivan's critics. You think he dosen't kill his animals as fast as possible just to have fun with them.
Seams like people who live in glass house shouldent through rocks.
Any one who mtest bullets on live animals is just as unethical as Mark Sullivan ever was!!!

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"Mark Sullivan? Might break the monotony of gut shooting buffalo to induce a charge."

Talk to you latter Mark err I mean RIP pissers
Dr B


Dr B,
Does Dr (in your handle) stand for "Doctor" or just "Drivel?"

You obviously are trying to shift attention from your plans to shoot cape buffalo with a .257 caliber varmint rifle.

The truth is I shot poorly and hit him too high in the lungs with that first shot, using those iron sights. I am better with a scope or a peep sight ... getting old in the eyes I reckon.

The next two shots followed within a few seconds after I got over the shock of seeing the bison slammed over sideways then get back up.

I reckon you are such a nobody punk that you are jealous of my redneck adventures.

You obviously cannot take a joke, so the gloves are off!

Your turn. pissers

PS: That "quote" of me that you typed in about MS is obviously in your poor grammar. I do not do such poor sentence construction. Dr B, you can do better than that. Where is the link to that quote? I do abhor MS-style grandstanding and would enjoy seeing what I really had to say about him, whenever that was.
 
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RIP
I guess the mind is going with the eyes. I didn't type the quote I copied it from one of you post so any grammar mistakes was your redneck writing. Posted 15 June 2005 08:02

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RIP
I guess the mind is going with the eyes. I didn't type the quote I copied it from one of you post so any grammar mistakes was your redneck writing. Posted 15 June 2005 08:02

Dr B


Dr(ivel) B,
That is mighty weak. You did type the quote. That is obvious. Anyone who copies your "quote" to a reply to you can see that.

This is not going to be a fair fight. A mental midget ... If you stop biting my ankle, I will ignore you, Dr(ivel) B.
 
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RIP I didn't type the quote I copied it. If you are to Demented to look up the post date i provied please give control of your guns to someone who is in possion of his faculites and go find a go Grentolgist and nursing home. You will be better cared for there.
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looks like RIP has been it in the head to many times already.
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Jagter: no serious discussion here.

Believe you on this one, methinks you made a tongue in the cheek little remark so to say.

Unfortunately you shot right over the bull with this next one:
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Also, your man Ethan Skyler is out to lunch, from what I have seen, and that is enough.

Whether you like it or not, Skyler has got it right and many more will be seen and heard form his work.


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. . . go find a go Grentolgist . . . .
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Why, Dr B, should RIP "go find a go Grentolgist"? Why not a "stop Grentolgist"?

Or, since RIP is clearly not a Grent, why a "Grentolgist" of any kind? And by the way, isn't anyone who studies Grents properly referred to as a "Grentologist"?

Or, perhaps you are attempting to suggest that RIP go find a go "gerontologist"? But no, as a doctor, you would know how to spell that term, wouldn't you?

Dr B, you have added nothing to this thread--your idiotic suggestion that anyone should try to kill a cape buffalo with a quarter bore using explosive soft points included. Please, go away.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dr B:

Dr B, you have added nothing to this thread--your idiotic suggestion that anyone should try to kill a cape buffalo with a quarter bore using explosive soft points included. Please, go away.


AMEN!!! "IF" he was going to shoot a Cape with a QUARTER-BORE, he would have to find a "hunting farm" in the states to be able to do it. Remember, hunting legislation in Africa notes that at the MINIMUM, one must use a .375, while other African countries note the firearm must be BIGGER than a .375. Dr B, I guess you'll have to find a Cape chained to an Oak here in the states and try out your theory. Roll Eyes What a "sportsman!" Razzer

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RIP I didn't type the quote I copied it. If you are to Demented to look up the post date i provied please give control of your guns to someone who is in possion of his faculites and go find a go Grentolgist and nursing home. You will be better cared for there.
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rip,

I have a, actually two, questions.
1. Does it seem odd to you that you instigate more rude/obnoxious pissing contests than almost everybody else
here?

2. If you really are some sort-of gunsmith or person promoting those wildcat cartridges you show on every post,
doesn't this aggressively anti-social behavior cost you lots of customers/money/business/personal ill will?

I am not trying to give you an excuse to get off again, just curious why you are always in the mix.

really just curious,

regards,

Rich
 
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rip,

I have a, actually two, questions.
1. Does it seem odd to you that you instigate more rude/obnoxious pissing contests than almost everybody else
here?

2. If you really are some sort-of gunsmith or person promoting those wildcat cartridges you show on every post,
doesn't this aggressively anti-social behavior cost you lots of customers/money/business/personal ill will?

I am not trying to give you an excuse to get off again, just curious why you are always in the mix.

really just curious,

regards,

Rich


Rich,
1. This is like me asking you if you have quit beating your wife.

2. Stick around a while and you might catch on.
 
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