So I've decided I am going to buy a .375 h&h, and I will save up to $2,000 to do it. I have been looking at Winchester Safari Express's, whitworth mausers, and maybe even a CZ American safari? Any others I should consider? CRF action and express sights are my only requirements. Synthetic or wood stocked, if it's wood I will eventually have a synthetic stock for it as well.

Colin

I have a couple 375's in Win M70, they are hard to beat. Had a CZ and they are ok but seem like they will take some work to get them perfect. I have one Super Grade and a stainless classic.
Have not owned a Whitworth so I can't speak about them.
For me the M70's are as close to ready to hunt as anything available.
Good luck with yours.

Kimber 375 Talkeetna
Already comes with synthetic stock

Personal tastes vary so handle them if you get a chance.

I would pick the Model 70 and spend the extra on the stock you want and having it looked over by a good gunsmith.

There is also the 375 Ruger but I prefer the Winchester safety.

My personal opinion is that you can make a very nice rifle on the CZ or Mark X/Whitworth, but as-issued the CZ is not my preferred setup, and the Mark X I have needed help out of the box.

In the interest of full disclosure, I don't have a Model 70 in .375, but in other calibers including .458.

I'm looking at buying one, sold the Remington 700 in 375 H+H during my Remington purge.
I have narrowed the field to a Ruger RSM (if I can find one not beat up or customized) or a Winchester 70 in the Alaskan version with the 25 inch barrel and standard sights and stock.

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Originally posted by Colin Masters:
So I've decided I am going to buy a .375 h&h, and I will save up to $2,000 to do it. I have been looking at Winchester Safari Express's, whitworth mausers, and maybe even a CZ American safari? Any others I should consider? CRF action and express sights are my only requirements. Synthetic or wood stocked, if it's wood I will eventually have a synthetic stock for it as well.

Colin

A chopped up winchester would be nice. When you say you want "express sights" do you mean multi leaf? If you want multi leaf sights just to have them, fine, but they are a joke that people don't want to let go. You are better off with an adjustable rear or one fileable shallow rear V. If you get the masterpiece adj rear you can make a different faceplate for the rear like I did to better set a bead. Also, you can get a rear peep.

All that are and will be mentioned here are fine rifles. I feel the best bang for the buck is an FN Whitworth. You can pick on up for well under 1K and that will leave you another K for a scope, mounts, reloading, etc.
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
All that are and will be mentioned here are fine rifles. I feel the best bang for the buck is an FN Whitworth. You can pick on up for well under 1K and that will leave you another K for a scope, mounts, reloading, etc.
Cal

Is the 375 Ruger under consideration as a 375? If so, the Ruger African makes a great rifle. My wife's Alaskan is excellent, too, if available. Both allow money to be spent on scope and loading equipment. Rugers come with great scope rings.

I have CZ-550 Magnum in .375 H&H, but it is custom made one (stock rifle selected out of many, everything disassembled, fitted, tuned, polished, engraved, reblued a and put together).

Very good rifle, but I would not buy stock CZ. Or, if there is ten of them in the same caliber in the shop, select best one. There could be great difference piece to piece.

Jiri

Here is mine 375:

Thanks all for the input. At the current time I do not reload but I have all the equipment, including dies for the .375 h&h.

I am not considering the ruger, only because few gunsmiths want to work with them, and the lack of aftermarket support. I plan to keep this gun, and eventually have a nice stock made, premium barrel, and other assorted bits. I have owned at least 15 ruger firearms and they are always reliable and accurate.

What is the potential issues with the CZ? I have heard they were a little rough, but eventually smoothed out. Their stocks for the American safari are nice looking, at least from pictures. AHR also does nice work that I like the looks of.

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Originally posted by Jiri:
I have CZ-550 Magnum in .375 H&H, but it is custom made one (stock rifle selected out of many, everything disassembled, fitted, tuned, polished, engraved, reblued a and put together).

Very good rifle, but I would not buy stock CZ. Or, if there is ten of them in the same caliber in the shop, select best one. There could be great difference piece to piece.

Jiri

Here is mine 375:

Beautiful rifle. Very close to what I am looking to do. Besides the forend tip and scope to my eyes that is a very britishesque gun.

What is the tuning involved in executing this?

Colin Master:

The rifle is made by Master Engraver of CZ (Engraving Art Studio). What I know he has his gunsmith, who select the best rifle of many. Later, the rifle is completely disassembled, fitted, polished (including chamber), jeweled receiver etc. So everything work smooth. Stock is completely custom, made from wood which select customer. There is also box for 4 cartridges in stock etc. Later, it is engraved (my rifle is lightly engraved - it is hunting gun, not presentation one) and all reblued etc. It has Talley QD rings (also polished, gold inlays and reblued) and Zeiss Victory 3-12x56 scope.

Picture quality is bad, it is shot long time ago by poor cellphone.

Cartridge box in stock:


More info here: http://forums.accuratereloadin...811082851#1811082851

If you can find a Ruger Safari Magnum in 375 H&H they are a very nice rifle. They come with a quarter rib with three express sights, integral bases for scope mounting, a large action and they are usually very accurate rifles. No longer made but a very good find.

Jiri you have an absolute beautiful rifle.

My personal opinion, the above rifles listed are all excellent. With small changes they can be made to fit your needs.
My advise is to buy a custom used rifle that someone put a lot more money in it and pick it up for under $2k.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
All that are and will be mentioned here are fine rifles. I feel the best bang for the buck is an FN Whitworth. You can pick on up for well under 1K and that will leave you another K for a scope, mounts, reloading, etc.
Cal

Are there any "FN" Whitworths? All the Whitworths I have seen have been built on a Yugoslavian action that is a copy of the FN. Their quality is good, but not up to FN standards.

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Are there any "FN" Whitworths

Never seen one.

A Whitworth on classifieds now

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1078981/m/9521005422

The CZs come with a synthetic stock. They need a little work on the safety and trigger pull but otherwise are great rifles. They also can take 5 rounds in the magazine. Not many 375s can.

Colin,

I'd be looking over the Internet gun sites for something second hand. You should be able to find an excellent CZ or Whitworth to fit your budget and it might already be tweaked. Do have someone that works on big bores check it for bedding and feeding.

Mark

A used CZ for sub $1000, B&C synthetic stock for $275, $700 in work by AHR, and you'll have a wonderfully reliable, workable rifle. I think I found my CZ used for around $650.

Those MRC rifles are quite tempting, though. Anyone here have one?

This is an easy one, if there's ever a such thing on AR.! Find a nice Interarms Whitworth and never look back. They are accurate, elegant, usually great wood, and affordable. But make sure it's a Whitworth.

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
This is an easy one, if there's ever a such thing on AR.! Find a nice Interarms Whitworth and never look back. They are accurate, elegant, usually great wood, and affordable. But make sure it's a Whitworth.

By the way, there's a very nice Whitworth in the Classifieds for $900. Jump on it and don't look back.

I have a very nice CZ 375 which is an AHR level 3+ upgrade. New safety, trigger, shroud, sights, stock, pistol grip added, "billboard" filled in, etc. That work puts it over your expressed budget. Stock, I do not like the sights, safety, shroud, or stock. Personal preference. As modified, it is all great except the weight.

I picked up an Interarms Alaskan .375 used a number of years ago. It has the same action as the Whitworth. I had some upgrades done and a McMillan stock added, but it still was not what I wanted. Got it back recently from AHR with a full work over. New sights, safety, barrel band swivel, re-stock, metal re-finished. Again, it is very nice but the work puts it out of your stated budget.

Stock, the Mark X's have a safety that i don't particularly like. I have seen their stocks with cross-bolt covers with no cross bolts underneath. Frequently see cracks between the trigger and mag box, but that is not uncommon with heavy rounds. I have had a floor plate that won't release (Whitworh .458), sights yhat are not indexed (on the Alaskan), problems feeding and ejecting (particularly the .458). Others have had no issues and you see much praise for them here.

The Model 70 Safari Express has a decent trigger, safety, and sights out of the box. Somebody got a decent deal on one I was watching on GunBroker last night -- $965.

The Ruger Safari Magnum mentioned above is a very handsome rifle. I think they are heavier than I want in a .375 and I prefer the Model 70 safety.

Handle them all if you can and pick the one you like. I like to have all of my serious rifles looked over by a good smith, but some here have never had a problem.

AHR-CZ .375:



AHR-Mark X .375 (Wayne's Picture, I have not photographed this one yet):

Are you looking for a rifle to hunt with or look at?

Have you checked out the M70 Alaskan? Mine weighs a few ounces less my .270 Featherweight, and handles like a deer rifle instead of some 10 pound plus club. At the price you could change the sights.

Not to be a heretic, but my push feed Steyr-Mannlicher is exceptional in every reasonable way. It is lights out accurate, feeds like liquid, has the best iron sights that I've ever used and is generally a joy to shoot.

I'm not an expert and I don't even play one on TV, but it's an exceptional rifle.

My intentions for this rifle is that it be my main hunting rifle and I will sell off the rest except for a .22 and a .240 weatherby that was given to me.

Ideally I want to be able to tinker with it over time (not me, a quality gunsmith). I own a restaurant so I pretty much can't hunt so I have the time. The support for a Mauser derivative and the Winchester is there and for the Ruger it is not. Hopefully I sell the restaurant in a couple of years and then I am going to Africa for a Buffalo.

Thank you very much for the insights, and I have been it contact with the Whitworth seller, as well as someone else with a Winchester safari.

The .375 H&H will be around forever. As to newer offerings, well look at the lever gun .450 Marlin and try to buy ammo for it today. Possible, yes, but not easy.

I second the suggestion of jump on the Whitworth in the classifieds.

I have a takedown Cogswell and Harrison .375 H&H in a vintage oak and leather case for sale. It is far more than you wish to spend but .375s come in all grades, have been around for over 100 years, and has proven itself for that long.

Cal

Get a M70.

I think you can easily do a M70, minor gunsmithing to tweak it to your liking, good rings/ mount and good glass for under 2K.

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Get a M70.

I think you can easily do a M70, minor gunsmithing to tweak it to your liking, good rings/ mount and good glass for under 2K.

I would second this.

The Sako Kodiak in 375H&H is a great option. I love the iron sights on mine.

I had a M70 375H&H (was a .270 Classic) made with profiled Lothar Walther barrel (same profile as my old H&H 375H&H) in D'Arcy Echols stock and Wiebe bottom metal. Very happy with it.

Cost wise, I would buy a Kimber Talkeetna instead now if I wanted synthetic.

The standard M70 375H&H Safari Express is way too heavy and clubby for my liking.

Good luck with your quest!

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
Have you checked out the M70 Alaskan? Mine weighs a few ounces less my .270 Featherweight, and handles like a deer rifle instead of some 10 pound plus club. At the price you could change the sights.

That's a nice looking rifle Dogleg.

I don't think they imported any into Australia, well not that I have seen.

Cheers, Chris

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
I have a couple 375's in Win M70, they are hard to beat. Had a CZ and they are ok but seem like they will take some work to get them perfect. I have one Super Grade and a stainless classic.
Have not owned a Whitworth so I can't speak about them.
For me the M70's are as close to ready to hunt as anything available.
Good luck with yours.

agreed! I have a New Haven M70 that shoots 1 inch groups with anything I have tried. I hear that the FNs are even better. $1,499.

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
Have you checked out the M70 Alaskan? Mine weighs a few ounces less my .270 Featherweight, and handles like a deer rifle instead of some 10 pound plus club. At the price you could change the sights.

I really like what they did with the barrel contour on this rifle.It duplicates one of the scarcest pre 64 M70 375 barrels.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Kimber 375 Talkeetna
Already comes with synthetic stock

Ditto!

If you handle a Talkeetna and have the money, I bet you won't have that money longer than 10 min.

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Kimber 375 Talkeetna

$1807 at Buds.

When we get back I am going to buy a Talkeetna, it does really handle like a brown bear slaying wand.

Has Kimber gotten a handle on the quality control issues with its bolt guns? They used to be serious.
I have owned the CZ, handled the big Ruger and bought the Model 70. Like others, I prefer the Winchester safety and the triggers are usually excellent. The CZ needs smoothing and tuning and still feels heavier and less lively, at least in my hands.