you just don't get it, do you - the only "disqualifier" is to why i don't BUY the 375hh SPF ... which you refuse to buy ...

it's not YOUR TEST, dude .. if you aint got a penny in it, why are you acting like you can order me about?

*I* am testing the 375hh TRADITIONAL vs the 375 ruger TRADITIONAL

unless YOU are willing to pay for the 375 hh superperformance ..

However, to drive the point home why i aint bothering testing the 375hh superperformance FROM MY OWN POCKET is that I don't see it as the traditional load...

yet you keep running off at the mouth blathering about it ...

send me 5 boxes of ammo, or STHU, or just admit your are a whiner .. it makes zero difference to me which you choos

This is what you said:

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Thank you, JVW -- appreicate you confirming my suspission ... i would reckon, then.. that if testing the 375HH vs the 375 ruger, it would be rather pointless to test the superperformance -- as its made of unobtainium in RSA .. or the rest of africa, i presume

And this is what I said:

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What JVW said was both Ruger375 and 375H&H Superformance were unobtainable. And, I believe, he was saying in general no Hornady DG ammo was to be found in his local.

If "unobtanium" is a disqualification then neither should be tested.

I question the "logic" of your statement. And hoped against all odds. you might STHU (to borrow your phrase) long enough to get JVW to clarify my interpretation of his remarks.

So, no ammo, and no sthu.... Figures

Gents,

Supply of most imported stuff around here is very much a hit-or-miss affair. As such, stuff like Hornady DG ammo is available here from time to time, and a friend of mine bought a few boxes of .500 NE stuff recently.

I have never, ever laid eyes on any Superformance ammo. It may be that they are available in some places but they are most certainly, absolutely definitely not freely available anywhere over here. Whenever soem of it do become available, they usually fly from the shelves. That goes for most imported ammo, by the way, and the situation regarding Norma, Federal, Remington, Winchester, etc is pretty much the same.

For what it's worth, the gunshop in my area that sells Ruger and Hornady have a single .375 Ruger rifle on the shelf at present, a couple of die sets, as well as several hundred or so cases for reloading, but not a single loaded factory round. And it's a pretty big shop according to our standards.

If you bring a .375 Ruger to Africa at this time and your ammo doesn't make the flight, it will almost certainly spend the rest of the trip as excess baggage.

jvw375

Could you get 300 Weatherby ammo and 300 Weatherby brass. Also, what about 300 RUM and 375 RUM

Mike,

.300 Weatherby ammo and brass is available from one or two of the bigger shops over here (one in the Cape and one in Jo'burg that I know of, although there may be others as well), and to my intense surprise I found one shop that has .300 RUM cases in stock. I've yet to see a .300 or .375 RUM rifle in the flesh over here, though.

If your ammo or your rifle doesn't make it to hunting camp. You rent/borrow a rifle. No big deal!

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Originally posted by jvw375:
and to my intense surprise I found one shop that has .300 RUM cases in stock. I've yet to see a .300 or .375 RUM rifle in the flesh over here, though.

I think a lot of rifles are made up for the 300 RUM and one reason being it is the biggest case size that will go on an action like Rem 700/Model 70 without being a real big issue.

Did this test ever get completed?

Question for jeffeosso since I don't know: in factory form is the 375R loaded to max or nearly there? In factory form is the H&H? If not, my understanding is the 375R holds 6% more powder than the H&H so could the H&H be handloaded to match the 375R?

How does this information, if factually accurate, impact or cut in to the 375R claims of "more" over the H&H?

Just wondering since I don't know.

Besides easily fitting in a standard length action, the fact is that the 375 Ruger does have a slightly larger powder capacity so with equal length barrels it will either reach a higher velocity with the same pressure as the 375 H&H or achieve equal velocity with slightly lower pressures.
But the difference is not significant either way.

What is, is that a hunter can readily purchase a rugged, reliable, accurate and affordable, stainless steel 375 Ruger.

I would take .375H&H anytime, as I had for 28 years as a suplementary rifle for My .460 Wea.

Culling from a 4WD at night needed a rifle with no recoil and the .375H&H in ZKK 602 was the perfect combination.

Pyzda