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I see Savage is talking up its new 20-gauge rifle with barrel on a 110 action. This could be the next "poor man's .600," I'm thinking. Ought to be plenty strong enough for an all-brass Magtech case full of FFFg and a heavy conical ... http://www.savagearms.com/2009_pressrelease.htm#22f There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | ||
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RMC has the thick walled 20 gauge brass. That would do nicely. It uses standard 20 gauge components to fill it. MagTech cases are so thin that 20 gauge wads and seal will rattle around inside them. I am blocked from your link right now. Is that a 3-inch 20 gauge Savage slug gun? Ought to get pretty close to 600 NE 3". Whatever happened to the Hastings 3.5-inch 20 gauge? They were supposed to be coming out with plastic hulled ammo for that one, and a NEF conversion to 20 Ga 3.5". Almost a 20GaFH. | |||
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RIP:  Model 220 Bolt-Action Slug Gun Suffield, CT – Savage Arms is proud to introduce the new Model 220 Bolt-Action Slug Gun, which provides hunters rifle-like accuracy in a 20 gauge bolt-action platform while adding a new level of sophistication and technology to Savage’s Slug Gun Series. The 220’s accuracy should be no surprise because it’s not built like a shotgun, but rather like a Savage Rifle. “The 20 gauge chambering allows us to build the gun on a Model 110 receiver,” Said Savage CEO Ron Coburn. “This provides many advantages over a traditional shotgun with rifled barrel. On of the most noticeable, of course, is the inclusion of the AccuTrigger.” Built on a Savage 110 receiver, the Model 220 features the revolutionary AccuTrigger, three-position rear-tang safety, detachable box magazine and a durable synthetic stock. Meanwhile the 20 ga. chambering packs plenty of punch for harvesting game in “slug only” areas, while reducing felt-recoil significantly compared to similar 12 gauge chamberings. The Model 220 will be available in Black Synthetic with a MSRP of $505 and Realtree Hardwoods HD with an MSRP of $555. George  | |||
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.. I see some real pontential for this as a suburbane moose and bear problem solver ... Call it an Eagle River Special  ... . Anyone know what the groove diameter would be , and what velocity / bullet weight it may give ........If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Dixie Slugs is working on a solid hardened lead slug for the 20ga just like their 12ga slugs. They are also working on a buck shot load that uses three .520 balls. Same idea as their 12 triball loading of three .600 hardened lead balls. Those slugs might be the ticket with this weapon. http://www.dixieslugs.com/products.html | |||
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Soooooooo rebarrel and open up the bolt to make a bolt action 600 NE? Or reduce the rims on 600 NE cases for a 20 GFH? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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.... Why not just load it and go kill some stuff with it ... The whole good part of a factory 20 ga. rifled shot gun is it,s usefulness without reinventing a wheel ......  .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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But the power will be much reduced from what it is capable from in factory ammo. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.  | |||
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That Savage ought to be able to handle full pressure 600 NE loads if one went to the trouble of rebarreling and opening the bolt face the wee bit needed from 20-gauge to 600NE, as suggested by boom. Of course a 7 pound 600 NE might smart a mite on the shoulder. | |||
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Perfect for SAFARIKID  A light 600 NE for stalking boars. If the modified 20 gauge can handle factory 600NE ammo that would be quite the cheap but light 600 unless you have a heavy barrel on it. Ed... Can the 20 Gauge Savage feed a 600 NE from the magazine with some frankenstein work? A blue collar beer budget 600NE  The 600NE is a 45K PSI round right? 3.6" OAL for the 600NE Can it feed? Come on...Who would not love a Bubba 600 NE???? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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If it were rebarreled to a 577NE could it work with a 20 thou smaller rim of the 577 or is that too much slop? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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What I'm wondering is just how many pieces and parts are interchangeable with the 12 ga...what a cool way to have another "switch barrel" platform to play with. Who is going to be the first on the block to have a go at swapping things around and have a "toopher"...I'm out of this game now for a while or forever...had to buy another car and I'm looking at a knee operation...Murphy finally took a big bite "outamyazzzzz". Luck on your projects. | |||
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Re: the Hastings 3.5". They're available. I bought one last winter. They are nothing more than the NEF USH 20 ga. with a lengthened chamber. AFAIK Hastings is still the only game in town with a 3.5" loading. It's an awesome little single shot. Actually, "little," is a misnomer because it is a 12 ga. barrel that has been bored at 20 ga. If the new Savage is like it's 12 ga. big brother, it'll be a shooter. Ken | |||
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So if I bought this and opened the bolt face, would I need a new barrel for 600 NE? This is VERY interesting, might be just what I need! Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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A 600 will feed with slight work from savage 20ga. But for fit in the chamber, mouth dimensions are too big. Best thing for power seeing as how the mouth of the 20 ga cases is .027" bigger than 600NE mouth, is to just ream 20ga chamber to 3.5", them you can load the 3.5" factory Hastings or reload 3.5" or better yet get 3.5" RMC cases that fit chamber, and they are less than 600NE brass. Quite a few guys have 20s set up with 3.5" brass cases. And there are lead 20ga slugs out there and molds for weights up to 7-800 gr.Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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Ken, A 20 gauge NEFer with 3.5" RMC brass would be quite a hummer. Ought to give the 600 NE 3" some competition. I would want the 24" long barrel same as on the 12gaNEFer "Ultra Slug" and just as fat as that 12ga barrel too.  boom, You better rebarrel that 20ga Savage to 600 NE. If it is set up for mere 3" 20ga box, you may have to shorten the 600 NE brass to load into the box, and single-load the full length ones into the chamber ... Unless the box could be lengthened to 3.6" COL? | |||
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The boxes can be lengthened, and bottom of action opened, as I was able to lengthen 12ga box clear out to 3.9" inches. Savage is missing the boat though, by not using real heavy barrels like NEF.But I think with the RE-17 loads in moderation the original barrel will hold, but due being light gun kick the devil out of you. Brett in MN put a heavy 12ga barrel on his Savage 210 like I did mine and he has got some loads way up there like I did. And He put a spring cam recoil pad setups in the hollow stock and said it shoots real easy.Same can be done to 20ga.Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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What about doing a 600 NE on a Handi 20 gauge Slug Gun? Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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Tyler... The 20 Gauge is a 615 diameter bullet and the 600NE is 620 so have a 20GFH or rebarrel for a 600NE Ed... Thanks for the info. What is your opinion on a rebarrel to 577NE? I think a heavy rebarrel to 600 NE is a good project for this especialy if you can shoot factory ammo albeit expensive. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomer you need to get one and convert it to 577 Snyder with a 10 round rotary box magazine. | |||
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I'll start a new thread... Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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I'd rebarrel and set it up for a.600NE as there are good bullets available and more importantly we know what twist works with 900gr bullets. Good .600NE brass can be run NEARLY as hot as the .600OK although I'd probably not exceed 45Kpsi in a 110 action. Thats still way more than the mighty .600NE was ever designed to work against! I could easily make CNC .600NE threaded/chambered barrels profiled with enough metal to survive the muzzel pressures and you just send me your bolt to be opened up. A heavier 26 inch barrel in .600 NE wouildalso increase the weight as would some lead in the buttstock to balance things. Headspacing is do it yourself easy anyway on a savage. We would have to see what it would take to get a .600NE to feed, but I doubt it would be too hard although getting into custom mag boxes and magazine followers may complicate the process. Maybe I'll do one just to see what it really takes. Anyway you look at it though its a Pretty inexpensive way to get into a .600NE IMHO. -Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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If we stay with the detachable single-stack box magazine but lengthened, it should be realitively simple because it already feeds rimmed 20 ga. The latch mechanism would probably need upgrading but we aren't building a DGR. Some amount of compromise isn't a deal killer for a bargain-basement 600 NE. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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This is very interesting, I would like to hear if anyone decides to convert a 20 ga Savage to 577NE 3 inch. Same stock and magazine? Just a ball park, what would that cost?? Assuming no change to recoil pad bare minumum rebarrel with deacent functional open sights. No fancy 1/4 rib. Now, If only Hornady would load the 577NE.... Is Savage still an American made gun? | |||
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.. Yall are missing a point . As a shotgun it is legal in suburban areas , and if this 12 ga,fh technology is adaptable it would be a very powerful and useful tool ..... In 20 ga. with the length that the mag box is and with brass shells , what weight and type of slug and what velocity could be attained with the gun as is out of the box ???? .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I have to bow to others that know the construction of commercially available 20 ga metallic cases for that answer but probably pretty stout. Even plastic shells yielded some great results in Rob & Ed's 12 ga FH. The limitation will be the brass, not the gun. Lathe-turned, thick-base brass should reach Nitro Express velocities without a lot of trouble. You'll need a way to cast correct size slugs or shoot Dixie's excellent hardened slugs if they are available as a component. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Go Rob!  In Cali I would have to stick to a 577 on it if the 577 is possible. So is it safe to say that you can have a 600NE conversion for $1000 Wow! A rifle action, factory ammo and 2 down with one in the spout! What a fun, cheap Git-R-Done big boomer! I wonder if it could still fire 20 gauge 2.5" shells???? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomstick-Id estimate more like $1300-$1500. a .577 or .600 barrel chambered and threaded will be at least $450. Bolt face work $125. NewMag box fabrication$150, feeding work$150 and reloading dies $150. It's still a great buy considering a Heym .600ne goes for what $15,000.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Even at $1,500 the fun to buck ratio is quite high! You have the dies, brass and bullets and will do most of the work so I assume so for you this will be a cheap project. This will be quite the multi round bolt action hammer. Quite the Bubba/High society combo. Maybe slap a mud flap girl on the stock for fun  http://www.azece.com/orderpoints.htm#points mud flap girl   577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Rob, when you estimate $450 more / less for a bbl, is that with sights? I assume no. It is likely or possible the 577 3inch NE conversion might be $300-450 less than the 600? If the bolt face and magazine were close enough. I wonder if someone can try and feed and chamber 577 in a stock 20 ga - some time? Maybe the feed would work? I dont know, I just ask. EDIT: I can edit my own stupid comments. I was totally confused. again. A 3 inch shot gun shell is OAL 3 inch. thats much shorter than a loaded 577NE using 3 inch brass. Duh. This might be an ok deer gun with remington sabot copper solids and just fun to try some stiff handloads with off season, with brass cases as suggested in prior posts. | |||
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How do I go about get 3.5 inch 20 gauge brass? I'm interested in this for 3.5" H&R. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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Necking the 577/450 MH to 600 will be a great mini 600 that will feed from an unaltered magazine. The 577/450 is 2.32" long so it would be a good mini thumper for those who would leave the magazine as is. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Reality Check Time- Look a .600 caliber 1:20 pac-nor or a .577 Pac-Nor barrel is currently approx. $300. Profiling the barrel so that it will fit the Savage stock, threading and chambering for $150 is a steal and most gunsmiths will charge much more. 99% wont have the chambering reamers or pilots anyway and you'll have to buy them. Cheap Open sights are about $100 and the going rate is $30 per drill and tap hole. Thats times 4. So you can safely figure you'll have near $700 in the barrel alone. Bolt face mods $150. Bending, cutting, welding sheetmetal for a new mag box and fitting it. Figure $75/hr. Stock work to clear the new box and glassbedding as well as adding weight again $75/hr. Now I will bet money the Savage action itself will need to be milled for cartridge ejection clearance. again $75/hr. If you can get a functioning .600NE for under $1500, I would simply JUMP on it and not argue anything. Again the ONLY other one out there is the HEYM at $15,000. I would also not bother with any shortened wildcats as the resale value would be near zero while a working .577NE or better yet a .600NE is a very desirable gun!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Tyler, Good idea. 615 Nitro Express 3.5" aka 20 Gauge 3.5". Only .005" smaller boolit, but .500" longer case than the 600 NE 3". Hastings already has the chamber reamer for it and will do the rechamber for you if you send them your NEF Ultra Slug 20 Gauge 3". They even make plastic-hulled-high-brass slug ammo for the 615 NE 3.5"! You could even do it yourself if you bought a reamer, with a vice and a tap wrench and some "Do-Tap" oil from Brownells. www.rockymountaincartridge.com email: rmc@vcn.com You need to call Dave Casey at RMC: 307-587-9693 (phone and fax) He will make them if you want them. One box of 10 cases or as many as you want. It is heavy duty stuff! Expect 4 months or longer wait on the backlog. I am still waiting on the 3.85" 12 Gauge by RMC. | |||
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Seems to be a cheap way to get into a multi shot 577 or 600. only question is who is going first Was thinking that maybe the 416 Barrett and its wildcats could be good on this. I dont know if the bolt or action could take such a fat case... Anyone know the max casehead and rim it could take? Maybe take off 10 thou to make it measure .780" at the rim and casehead, neck up to 600 and leave the same shoulder and position to have plenty of taper and 35 thou per side shoulder for a scaled up version of the 577 TREX but mucho more powerful... not that you need anything more powerful than the 600 NE or Overkill. .780" Rim .780" Casehead .728" Shoulder .660" Neck .620" Bullet 3.25" case 4" OAL 600 WTFJH (WTF Just Happened  ) 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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LOL maybe greatest name for a cartridge ever. Anyways, found out it's $60 to get the chamber reamed, 3.5" 20 gauge brass from RMC is $65 per 10, and dies from C4HD are under $200. PROJECT GO! Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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