........Does any one have a picture of a GS HV. .416 , 330 gr and ,,or a 315 gr .458 GS HV ......Thanks .....

Did you check on GS Custom's web site?

George

Is that a brass/bronze projectile on the left Gerard or has your color balance gone off!?!?!

NO! Say it isn't so!! Gerard use BRASS!!!

No Brass I guess??

Yeah! This is how I do it!

Macifej,
Ankle biting?
Slinging stones at Goliath?

Gerard,
In my last batch of your .423/320-gr HV's,
8 out of 25 bullets in one box showed signs of annealing or heat treatment, of the noses or the bases of the bullets, and a few bullets have both the noses and bases showing shiny purple and blue:




Poor focus, but the colors and shine do show, eh?

Some random overheating due to insufficient coolant flow during the machining?

RIP! You may never get any bullets from Gerard with dirty talk like that!!!

Hey,
I want to make sure the coolant nozzle is not clogged when my bullets are turned.
They must be really fast to generate that much heat, eh?
Only trying to help with QC.

That's likely from the annealing process.

I seriously doubt Gerard has someone overheating the material, trashing the cutters, and them letting the product get through his inspection process.

There's no way he won't respond to an inferrance like that!!!

I can hardly wait to see this!!!

If they are purposely annealed, then the explanation might be that the moly got applied thinly on some of them and does not cover them uniformly.
That would be a minor QC/QA issue.

I was not heretofore aware that GSC annealed their copper HV bullets.

Surely the FN solids are not annealed.

Well if it's not from annealing then that's... a....uh.....you know. Not good.

.........Gerard ,, thank you for posting the pics ...I could find several pics of the .411 HV bullets but none of the .416 bullets .........Thanks again ...............Yup that 458 bullet may give a new lease in life to my 458 Lott..........To all my 458,s ...........The .416 looks nice also ,, not as pointy as I had hoped tho .,., It will probably work fine .....

Reasonable questions all.

RIP,
The colours are not from annealing or heat from the machining process. You will find that, if you do a medium speed test for expansion into water, with a bullet from the new batch and a bullet from the previous batch that the new batch will act exactly as the old batch does. No difference.

Macifej,
Nice machine. I wish I had one to make recoil brakes and orthopaedic parts on. Why would you use a seven axis double spindle machine to make a bullet that requires only two axes and one spindle? Unless the machine is standing idle between contracts and when it runs a contract again, bullets will have to wait........


gumboot458,
The low Sd of the 315gr .458 requires a "softer" nose design for reliability. The 416 nose length is limited by the available difference between case length and mag box length of the 416 RM and Rigby. It is designed to be a little harder so that it will act as it should on impact, given the higher Sd.

Gerard,
Well then, what caused about a third of the bullets to be "colored" differently, some on the nose, some on the base and some on both ends?
Is it some variation in the moly coating, and merely cosmetic?
Thanks.

Gerard,

All kinds of stuff comes off those machines - not just bullets. Both spindles are used to make the bullets and live tooling on the turret when making "other" parts.

quote:

Originally posted by gumboot458:
.........Gerard ,, thank you for posting the pics ...I could find several pics of the .411 HV bullets but none of the .416 bullets .........Thanks again ...............Yup that 458 bullet may give a new lease in life to my 458 Lott..........To all my 458,s ...........The .416 looks nice also ,, not as pointy as I had hoped tho .,., It will probably work fine .....

I can't wait to try some of those out in my 458 Lott as well. Should make a dandy deer/carabou bullet. Might want something a little heavier for moose/bears though.

RIP

Ultrasonic cleaning can cause staining that looks like heating on copper alloys.

Thebear_78,
We use them on Eland over here and they go up to 2000lbs. They are unbelievable jumpers and are heavy boned. What kind of size would bear/moose get up to? It is unlikely you will have a problem as we routinely kill eland with HV bullets in weights and calibers that are traditionally considered too light.

.........................It will make people up here do some serious head scratching .........I honestly think the 315 gr .458 dia. HV will be as great a brown bear bullet as exists on earth ....@ 2700 from a win mag ,,2800-2850 from a Lott / Watts , Ackley ,,AR ...2950 plus from the 460 Whby ......

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
RIP

Ultrasonic cleaning can cause staining that looks like heating on copper alloys.

Thanks for the conjecture.
Your conjecture implies:
The moly coating was thin in spots and did not coverup the ultrasonic-cleaner-induced color-cased-copper?

Cosmetics only I am told only?
No explanation for the phenomenon has been offered by Gerard yet.

That information might lead to disclosure of the recipe for Coke or Secret Sauce!!


Lot of mysteries in the world of round metal parts.

quote:

That information might lead to disclosure of the recipe for Coke or Secret Sauce!!

Or the KFC secret spice mix.....

Still not talking, I see.

Hibachi Accident no doubt!!

I don't know, maybe Gerard was experimenting with The Colonel's special blend of herbs and spices in that batch of molycoat.

I see that KFC franchises exist in RSA. Gerard been hangin' at KFC? Watch those coronaries!

Straight from Area 51 in 2006, Gerards's inspiration?




http://www.michaelcastellon.com/2006/11/kfcs-logo-first...seen-from-space.html

I will be happy to have these "factory seconds" for a 425 Fossdal.

Pretty is is pretty does when it comes to bullets.

Cast bullets never won a beauty pagent but they shure aired out a lot of game.

Speaking of cast... will you try to cast some "soft nose" 395's?

A soft spitzer for BC on top of a hard flat nose?

Boomer,
Did you ever think about ordering some GSC bullets? Those are standard production at GSC, not a startup of a new caliber awaiting special material in precious copper rod of the right size to prevent waste.
The prices are very reasonable.
I'll bet GSC has them in stock.

I am sorry I corrupted you by mailing you the .458 Boomstick and .458 Lapua dummies. Now there is no end to the shameful begging. Please stop begging in PM's and open forums. Quite a nuisance for me to drop everything and go mail parts to boomer to play with. I think the .423/320-gr GSC HV's will get used without your help, thank you.

I see you have been reading some of the cast bullet material on the web. Me too. I have cast a few bullets myself, and melted used wheelweights into 44 pounds of ingots last weekend.

I have no use for a pure lead nose and a brittle linotype shank on a cast bullet. I would rather have the entire bullet hardness and ductility somewhere in the middle of that scale, with an FN nose, and get a wee bit of expansion in game, like that given by a GSC FN shot into the end of a 55-gallon steel drum full of sand.

Still no explanation for the rainbow colors. Seems merely cosmetic.

Gerard,
How about if I go on Safari to RSA in August this year, and swing by Port Elizabeth after slaying a meatwagon load of game with your bullets? You could then teach me the KFC-Molycoat secret.

Please do tell when prof242 and I will be getting our cartload of GSC bullets.

The bullet cart must come before the meat wagon.

The bushmeat butcher shops are depending on you Gerard!

Stamp out hunger in Africa!
Send bullets to USA!

quote:

Still no explanation for the rainbow colors. Seems merely cosmetic.

Just FYI, my small stash of .375 GSC HVs are rainbow coloured. I didn't worry about it much. Thought maybe I had inadvertently exposed them to humidity or something (or maybe while they were being shipped). Not sure if that would explain the discoloration, but the random nature of it led me to think it might have just been exposed parts of the bullets that were effected (ie. not where they were touching/overlapping in the box). But, I don't really know...didn't worry about it much.

Cheers,
Canuck

Wasn't asking for bullets rip, just making some humor about your descriminating taste in bullets... I don't have anything in 423. But wouldn't mind a 425 Fossdal some day.

The only dummy I hope to get is a 400 Nitro from p242 some day.

Anyhoo you do have the right to know if the bullets will perform as intended.

Funny thing is I was looking at the 458 lapua dummy you sent me yesterday still thinking how cool it would be. Keep pioneering

It's official.
Redding did not deliver .395 Tatanka dies on time.
They are now officially "overdue."
I shall be calling them.
So Gerard, I really cannot get too plaintive about bullets until I have proper dies.

Boomy,
Considering the time I spent while on active duty as the Chief of Plans, Space Command, I do get a little "spacy" at times. I will try to remember (isn't there a song by that title?) to send you your .400/.395 Nitro Express round shortly.

I'm sizing down some cast bullets for use in that round with which to hunt elk this year. Also will use 300gr sized-down Hornady bullets. Am going to have to build some type of IWB and find a place to shoot to test them. Local range demands only paper targets in specified frames.

RIP, sorry to hear about Redding's overdue shipment. I use a lot of their dies, but so far, its only in std calibers.
Max