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If were having a very high end custom gun on Mauser or M70, quarter rib, the works, would you pick the 375 Ruger or 375 H&H. For the sake of the discussion we will assume the 375 Ruger last as and works etc an etc Mike | ||
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Duh!!! | |||
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Easy: 1. M98 standard Mauser without weakening cuts to open it up: .375 Ruger 2. WinM70: .375 H&H Preferred in that order. | |||
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Jeff I was curious as to how people saw the 375 Ruger. For example the 308 is seen as a very calibre but one would long and hard to find a top end custom gun in 308. Mike | |||
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yup - jeff is right  | |||
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Well guys, I know the place the HH holds in history and in our hearts. It is a true classic. But, I think the 375R is the cartridge of the future for the reasons stated in other posts. What we need to realize is at some point in history the 375HH was the " new kid on the block " and was subject to hard looks by new users, just as the 375R is now. I think the practical side of the 375R will start coming out, more and more rifles will be built, the 375R case will go up to 416, maybe 423 or 458. So maybe in 60 or 80 years from now the 375R will acheive classic status...............JJ " venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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Has to be the .375 H&H | |||
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A custom gun made in 375 Ruger will have half the resale of the same gun in .375 H&H. | |||
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One obviously needs to have one of each, a .375 H&H and a .375 Ruger. This way, the tourist hunter can take two .375 H&H's to RSA and get around the ban on two rifles in the same chambering, with no one the wiser.  | |||
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500Grains, on what do you base your assumption ? Can you quote a recent sale of a custom 375R that went cheaply ?............JJ " venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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I would agree with that assumption based on the resale of other .375 variants in custom rifles. As ammo and brass availability wane, so does interest and as interest diminishes, so do prices. But if one wants to build a true custom .375 Ruger, one should do so and will certainly have a great working rifle... However, ten years from now place the identical rifle in H&H side-by-side with the Ruger and the H&H will sell first! On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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H&H will be first choice now and likely 20yrs from now too. The buyers/builders of truly high dollar custom rifles are a picky lot,IME. They prefer classic calibers, inspite of the fact that newer offerings often times do have some advantages. | |||
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As say in cars (or at least use to say) race on Sunday and sell on Monday. What the 375 H&H has going for it is Holland and Holland themselves and everything that goes with H&H. Ruger has a junk image. They might be the best rifle in the world but the image is junk. Mike | |||
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From the man who has an Echols Legend in .375 Weatherby.  I guess this means the .375 Weatherby is a "Classic." Borned on 1944, it's just 32 years younger than the .375 H&H. Nice to see you posting again, John S.  | |||
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Is this a trick question? Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I don't understand why you are making assumptions about the positive feed, function and performance of the .375 ruger, as it is too soon to assume this. The 375 H+H is proven a great performer for many years. Holland and Holland for me. = | |||
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RIP, My 375Wby is NOT in the same league as a wooden stocked Classic by Echols or David Miller. Nor is it comparable to other real high end custom rifles made by several other makers. It's a 'glass stocked working rifle, and these days that suits me a lot better than those others! Down the road, after a number of folks such as yourself have had a chance to really explore this 375 Ruger, I could be interested in one myself...but only if it's done up on a M70...  | |||
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Mauser---9,3x62 M70------9,5H&H Ruger----9,5Ruger | |||
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It is essentially a wildcat at this time, just like the 500 A-Square, 500 AHR, etc. And those always sell for a lot less than a 505 Gibbs. Or compare the value of fine custom rifles in 280 Rem to custom rifles in 30-06. Those in 30-06 are much easier to sell and bring a lot more money. Anyone who wants a 375 Ruger should buy/build one. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that it performs any better than a .375 H&H or that it will ever have the market support of a 375 H&H. | |||
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I go with 500grains here...the ruger has zero history and less panache. Rich DRSS | |||
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I would build the H&H regardless of which action I chose to use. | |||
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I agree there is no history, panache ? wellll....I'm not so sure there isn't something. This is a question only time will answer. 500Grains, how do you get the 375R doesn't perform as well as a 375HH, same chamber pressure, faster with same weight bullets, what am I missing ?..........................JJ " venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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1. Please reread my post as you apparently misread the first time. 2. Please do not post the fiction that it is faster with the same weight than the 375 H&H as that is not true, unless the Ruger loaded to a higher pressure. This is the same fiction that was thrust upon us with regard to the 300 WSM. Many said it would develop 100 to 200 fps more velocity than the 300 Win Mag. In fact it generates 100 fps less velocity than the Win Mag.  | |||
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I think you need to learn a little more on the 375R. I own and shoot 2, one the wood stock version and the synth. stock version. I chron'od the factory ammo. The 300gn RN was approx.250 fps faster than factory 300 gn 375HH ammo. The chamber pressure is the same due to larger case capacity. I would have thought you had actual experience from the way you were posting. Maybe you need to actually shoot one before you judge it. .........................JJ" venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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What method did you employ to acertain chamber pressure to be the same? | |||
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Woodjack, the pressure info came from Hornady and SAMMI. I would think its correct. But true, I don't have a strain guage.................JJ " venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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JJMiller, it ain't a 375 H&H and it will never be, get over it. | |||
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OK, now make a case for this gratuitous assumption with real facts and personal experience. Please don't use forum gathered rumors and accusations. It sends the same size bullets out the same kind of barrels on the same kind of rifles at the same, or a bit higher speeds, at the same pressures. It does this in somewhat handier packages. Get over it... | |||
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JJ_Miller Let's jump above H&H and take Purdey. You have a choice: 1) A Purdey bolt gun in 375 Ruger or 2) A Purdey bolt gun in 375 H&H Which is your choice. Mike | |||
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Superspeed, I think the 375HH is the ultimate when one is striving for a " classic " today. But what I am saying is in 60 to 80 years will the 375R be able to be looked upon as a canidate for a classic rifle ??? I hope so. Now having said that I think I would have Purdy, HH or Jefferies build a rifle with the 375R. That would help it along getting started to the classic status. .....................JJ" venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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I can't answer for JJ, but in that scenario, 375 H&H, hands down. You need a classic in a classic, IMO. Now THAT hits my HOT button!  | |||
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JJ_Miller Your first problem would be that Purdey would have never heard of the 375 Ruger......even they admitted to having heard of the the 375 Ruger they would say something like....they are the good vakue investment cast rifles. Your waiting period for a 375 Ruger from Purdey would earn them a lot of interest...especially since they would not make the rifle for another 50 years It would be at least 25 years before they had the right reamer Mike | |||
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Agreed! Screw the whole extended-pinky-finger tea party.  BTW, for the still clueless, the .375 H&H and .375 Ruger are both 62,000 psi cartridges.  | |||
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bwanamrm, I was selling sporting goods when the 7MM Rem Mag came out. EVERYONE said that it is the demise of the 30-06, 270, 7X57, 308...NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! These rounds were now obsolete. Again, you are making an assumption that there won't be 375 Ruger ammo, brass, or rifles in ten years. Where do you buy your crystal balls? I'd like one. So far, sales are brisk, and prices are stabalizing at about $100.00 more than I paid for my 375 Hawkeye 6 weeks ago. Now, I have some questions about these stocks I'm thinking of investing my life's fortune in. Crank up that crystal ball.  | |||
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luv2, as of this date, the only people hunting in Africa with the 375rugger are being paid to do so. Despite Boddington's "pimp my ride" writeup, it did not sound like he did very well with it. Question: if it has roughly the same capacity and operates at the same pressures, how does it make the 250fps more MV you guys are claiming for it. If the H&H isn't enough, the rugger won't very well be either; and the 3/8" shorter bolt throw is unlikely to show up in the "Saved My Life" section of Reader's Digest special African DGR Hunting Annual. 375 RUM...now you're talking. Rich DRSS | |||
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Hey Mike, Just imagine how bloody embarassing it would be, 'phoning Purdey and asking for a turn bolt in 375 Ruger old boy? "What a horrid colonial" they would be thinking!!I think I'd prefer to shoot myself with a 375 Ruger Though I applaud Ruger and Hornady in bringing the round out. Always nice to see something new  Verbera!, Iugula!, Iugula!!! Blair. | |||
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Blair338/378, Yes I can hear the conversation now, " Oh those colonials, they are so common. They can still buy any rifle they want, how horrid, there is no need for that. Now they burden us with this awful cartridge. They just don't understand that our thriving gunmaking industry can provide all the rifles they need. Why, our newest cartridge the......uhm......ahem....well we could have had a new cartridge if we haden't given all our rights away, made for our masses of hunters.....oh, we don't have masses of hunters, well things could be different if we had a company interested in developing a new cartridge, a rifle to put in, hunters, shooters and reloaders to shoot it, and places for them to shoot it. Humph......those bloody colonials, new gun companies poping up everywhere one looks, new cartridges, hunting anywhere they wish, new investment casting technology that makes rifles stronger and less costly and money to buy all those worthless rifles. I pity those poor unelightened souls, those poor colonials. " I would have thought the lesson would have been learned by Purdy, HH, Jefferies, ect.ect. about turning up their noses at anything new. It about broke them at one point in time. Yes, quite a conversation. ................JJ" venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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Rich, well there hasn't been a season yet to get the 375R to Africa. Give it time. I'll let you know in June how it works when I get back. I went and re-read Boddington's story thinking I missed something. From what I read the round worked just fine, nothing flashy, it just worked. How do you get that it didn't work very well ?................................JJ PS...the case does not have " roughly the same capicity " as you put it as the 375HH, it has a LARGER capicity, more powder in a larger case means same chamber pressure, higher velocity. " venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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JJ, I'm not bagging the 375Ruger. And I agree about the English gun companies.............. I was really having a go at the Poms and their attitude. We Aussies suffer from that a lot, as we get so many of them out here in Oz. The women are welcome, however! There are some very good Poms on AR though, as they are shooters and have to put up with even more shit from their government than we do. Verbera!, Iugula!, Iugula!!! Blair. | |||
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What Colonials? The English and Australians are American boot lickers now! The Frenchmen are different, becuase they know what real truffles smell like. | |||
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